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peloton said:
tretiak said:
OITT Bronze is nothing to write home if you had gold ambitions that Froome and his fans had.
He was a tad lucky to get that medal with Rohan's misfortune, but still a great results after the Tour
You could also say he was unlucky that the Olympics weren't a week closer to the Tour like they were in 2012. Would have been in much better form if that had been the case
 
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PremierAndrew said:
peloton said:
tretiak said:
OITT Bronze is nothing to write home if you had gold ambitions that Froome and his fans had.
He was a tad lucky to get that medal with Rohan's misfortune, but still a great results after the Tour
You could also say he was unlucky that the Olympics weren't a week closer to the Tour like they were in 2012. Would have been in much better form if that had been the case
as would've been all the other riders...
 
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Billie said:
PremierAndrew said:
peloton said:
tretiak said:
OITT Bronze is nothing to write home if you had gold ambitions that Froome and his fans had.
He was a tad lucky to get that medal with Rohan's misfortune, but still a great results after the Tour
You could also say he was unlucky that the Olympics weren't a week closer to the Tour like they were in 2012. Would have been in much better form if that had been the case
as would've been all the other riders...
Not really since Dumoulin probably couldn't even have started because of his broken hand. But then again in this case Froome also would have been lucky.
 
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Billie said:
PremierAndrew said:
peloton said:
tretiak said:
OITT Bronze is nothing to write home if you had gold ambitions that Froome and his fans had.
He was a tad lucky to get that medal with Rohan's misfortune, but still a great results after the Tour
You could also say he was unlucky that the Olympics weren't a week closer to the Tour like they were in 2012. Would have been in much better form if that had been the case
as would've been all the other riders...
Because cancellara dennis etc were targetting a peak in the tour with the ITT as a secondary goal like Froome :lol:
 
Not sure you can compare Roche's 87 Triple Crown to Froome's 2016 campaign. A very different era. With the exception of Pedro Delgado, Roche didn't really face top class competition in those two GTs either. Hinault retired, Lemond shot, Fignon up and down. Still a fantastic achievement though, which probably won't be matched again
 
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Angliru said:
filipepc said:
Angliru said:
damian13ster said:
Rio absolitely killed his chances. Would be biggest feat in cycling history if he could dominate in France, then fly to the other side of the world, medal in olympics, and then fly back around the world to beat everyone in Spain.

Sounds impossible and I think he will fail. Still, chapeau for attempting such feat
Sorry to put a stop to your hero worship but just off the top of my head, Stephen Roche's Tour/Giro/WCRR victories in 1987 would be one of likely others that would come ahead of this scenario you have here.

Yes but it´s 30 years ago. In modern times i think that is almost impossible. If it happens, Froome will hugely grow up in the eyes of many people. I don´t think he can with ths team, maybe with the super team of the tour he could... But let´s see... Who knows?
Are you supporting his belief about it being "the greatest feat in cycling history" should Froome add a Vuelta win to Tour and OITT bronze? If so you both need read up on cycling history.

I´m not supporting anything. Froome isn´t my favorite rider, but people compare modern times with 30, 40, 50 years ago. History, is history, that´s a fact, but the times are diferent. You cannot compare winning doubles in that time and now. If Froome can do that ( i don´t think so, but there is a probability) he grows up in the history of cycling. First because since Pantani ( almost 20 years ago) no one have done it, what proves that is not easy nowadays to achieve such a thing, and then because it comes in a era where he fights against top riders like quintana and contador.

I´m going to repeat, he is not my favorite rider, but i have to admit that if he can do it, it´s a huge achievement.
 
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PremierAndrew said:
Billie said:
PremierAndrew said:
peloton said:
tretiak said:
OITT Bronze is nothing to write home if you had gold ambitions that Froome and his fans had.
He was a tad lucky to get that medal with Rohan's misfortune, but still a great results after the Tour
You could also say he was unlucky that the Olympics weren't a week closer to the Tour like they were in 2012. Would have been in much better form if that had been the case
as would've been all the other riders...
Because cancellara dennis etc were targetting a peak in the tour with the ITT as a secondary goal like Froome :lol:

no they would have all peaked a week earlier.

If the olympics were the weekend after the Tour it would have been big disadvantage for Froome anyway cause all the specialists would've abandoned the Tour to get better prep
 
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Billie said:
PremierAndrew said:
Because cancellara dennis etc were targetting a peak in the tour with the ITT as a secondary goal like Froome :lol:

no they would have all peaked a week earlier.

If the olympics were the weekend after the Tour it would have been big disadvantage for Froome anyway cause all the specialists would've abandoned the Tour to get better prep
Huh? They would have peaked for the ITT whenever it was. Froome however would still be a lot closer to Tour form, so there's no way that the ITT being sooner would be a disadvantage for him...
 
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Insane riding today.I didn't expect any comeback as the gap was pretty big.If he's really peaking for the 3rd week he might still have a chance to win it but at the moment Quintana looks unbeatable.
 
If he'd had his Tour team then he might have made it back to Quintana riding like that on that climb because there are some flat parts on it and even the climb itself isn't that steep. Still, I think it was a bit extreme to ride the climb like that. He was surely more than capable of hanging on to the front group in the first half of the climb. By all means ride your own tempo when Contador and then Quintana made their attacks at the 6.5km to go mark but he had left himself too much to do..

Crazy that he was a minute behind Contador and Quintana at 6.5km to go and then finished 40 seconds ahead of Contador and only 25 seconds behind Quintana. :lol:
 
It's just incredible. He does that over and over again, and every time he yo-yos it I think "no this time the gap is too big, he won't come back", but he always comes back. I mean, he was something like one minute behind Contador at one point and finished 40 seconds in front of him.
 
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JRanton said:
If he'd had his Tour team then he might have made it back to Quintana riding like that on that climb because there are some flat parts on it and even the climb itself isn't that steep.
That's a good point actually. Kennaugh and Lopez helped him a lot but they're not exactly the Poels/Henao/Nieve/Landa/Thomas steam engine we saw in the TDF.
 
deValtos said:
JRanton said:
If he'd had his Tour team then he might have made it back to Quintana riding like that on that climb because there are some flat parts on it and even the climb itself isn't that steep.
That's a good point actually. Kennaugh and Lopez helped him a lot but they're not exactly the Poels/Henao/Nieve/Landa/Thomas steam engine we saw in the TDF.
Yeah, I'm not for a second saying that Quintana isn't the strongest rider in this race, he clearly is, but Froome could actually still be very close (a matter of seconds) to Quintana on GC at this point if he hadn't made that attack on stage 8 and if he'd had his best team today. Still, I think the multi mountain stages on stage 14 and 15 are going to suit Quintana even better and he will probably take a couple of minutes out of Froome on those stages. Even the time trial on stage 19, if Quintana is stronger than Froome at that point then don't expect him to lose very much time at all, if anything.
 
JRanton said:
deValtos said:
JRanton said:
If he'd had his Tour team then he might have made it back to Quintana riding like that on that climb because there are some flat parts on it and even the climb itself isn't that steep.
That's a good point actually. Kennaugh and Lopez helped him a lot but they're not exactly the Poels/Henao/Nieve/Landa/Thomas steam engine we saw in the TDF.
Yeah, I'm not for a second saying that Quintana isn't the strongest rider in this race, he clearly is, but Froome could actually still be very close (a matter of seconds) to Quintana on GC at this point if he hadn't made that attack on stage 8 and if he'd had his best team today. Still, I think the multi mountain stages on stage 14 and 15 are going to suit Quintana even better and he will probably take a couple of minutes out of Froome on those stages. Even the time trial on stage 19, if Quintana is stronger than Froome at that point then don't expect him to lose very much time at all, if anything.
Agree with this, although I read somewhere someone saying Lopez claiming Froome is getting stronger each day, which was his plan. Personally I think he will have his third second place in the Vuelta, and to a third separate rider.

On the ITT: in 2014 Vuelta, Froome put in a very poor tt, which he said he went out too hard on, but it's the very end of the last week of back to back GT's when it comes, and Quintana has definitely improved his TT, I don't think Froome will take back more than a minute, and I imagine Quintana will have a very nice buffer by then the way he has been climbing, unless Froome can come up with a shock on one of the climbs. It should be a good Vuelta, don't rule out Valverde, Chaves or Contador yet either.
 
What a ride by Froome today.
I was dreading that he'll lose 5 minutes to Quintana AC today but damn, hes got nuts of steel man.
Its like okay, this gap is too big; hes cracked only to come back and put time into his rivals.
He is an inspiration to me. The guy knows how to pace himself, knows his abilities better than anybody and has the confidence to let go of the group only to come back again and again and again.
I just wonder what Contador, Valv thought when he sailed past them.

Chapeau to this great champion. First, second, also-ran doesnt matter if he gives us performances such as today.
Hats off!
 
Poursuivant said:
JRanton said:
deValtos said:
JRanton said:
If he'd had his Tour team then he might have made it back to Quintana riding like that on that climb because there are some flat parts on it and even the climb itself isn't that steep.
That's a good point actually. Kennaugh and Lopez helped him a lot but they're not exactly the Poels/Henao/Nieve/Landa/Thomas steam engine we saw in the TDF.
Yeah, I'm not for a second saying that Quintana isn't the strongest rider in this race, he clearly is, but Froome could actually still be very close (a matter of seconds) to Quintana on GC at this point if he hadn't made that attack on stage 8 and if he'd had his best team today. Still, I think the multi mountain stages on stage 14 and 15 are going to suit Quintana even better and he will probably take a couple of minutes out of Froome on those stages. Even the time trial on stage 19, if Quintana is stronger than Froome at that point then don't expect him to lose very much time at all, if anything.
Agree with this, although I read somewhere someone saying Lopez claiming Froome is getting stronger each day, which was his plan. Personally I think he will have his third second place in the Vuelta, and to a third separate rider.

On the ITT: in 2014 Vuelta, Froome put in a very poor tt, which he said he went out too hard on, but it's the very end of the last week of back to back GT's when it comes, and Quintana has definitely improved his TT, I don't think Froome will take back more than a minute, and I imagine Quintana will have a very nice buffer by then the way he has been climbing, unless Froome can come up with a shock on one of the climbs. It should be a good Vuelta, don't rule out Valverde, Chaves or Contador yet either.
Even a 2nd would be great IMO.
 
JRanton said:
deValtos said:
JRanton said:
If he'd had his Tour team then he might have made it back to Quintana riding like that on that climb because there are some flat parts on it and even the climb itself isn't that steep.
That's a good point actually. Kennaugh and Lopez helped him a lot but they're not exactly the Poels/Henao/Nieve/Landa/Thomas steam engine we saw in the TDF.
Yeah, I'm not for a second saying that Quintana isn't the strongest rider in this race, he clearly is, but Froome could actually still be very close (a matter of seconds) to Quintana on GC at this point if he hadn't made that attack on stage 8 and if he'd had his best team today. Still, I think the multi mountain stages on stage 14 and 15 are going to suit Quintana even better and he will probably take a couple of minutes out of Froome on those stages. Even the time trial on stage 19, if Quintana is stronger than Froome at that point then don't expect him to lose very much time at all, if anything.
If he had his best team today then he wouldn't have had it at the Tour.
 
Jspear said:
JRanton said:
deValtos said:
JRanton said:
If he'd had his Tour team then he might have made it back to Quintana riding like that on that climb because there are some flat parts on it and even the climb itself isn't that steep.
That's a good point actually. Kennaugh and Lopez helped him a lot but they're not exactly the Poels/Henao/Nieve/Landa/Thomas steam engine we saw in the TDF.
Yeah, I'm not for a second saying that Quintana isn't the strongest rider in this race, he clearly is, but Froome could actually still be very close (a matter of seconds) to Quintana on GC at this point if he hadn't made that attack on stage 8 and if he'd had his best team today. Still, I think the multi mountain stages on stage 14 and 15 are going to suit Quintana even better and he will probably take a couple of minutes out of Froome on those stages. Even the time trial on stage 19, if Quintana is stronger than Froome at that point then don't expect him to lose very much time at all, if anything.
If he had his best team today then he wouldn't have had it at the Tour.
Well Moreno and Valverde both did the Tour and they are two of Quintana's three strongest helpers in this Vuelta. Unfortunately there were a lot of problems with Sky's best riders before this race including guys who didn't ride the Tour like Intxausti and Roche (who is normally very good at the Vuelta). Sergio Henao and Landa are out injured, Nieve had already done the Giro and Tour, Kwiatkowski DNF'd already, Thomas is not a rider for back to back grand tours and Poels crashed at the Olympics. Maybe they could have sent Sebastian Henao but I assume Sky thought two grand tours in a season is too much for a 23 year old which is probably a sensible decision.
 
SeriousSam said:
Poursuivant said:
Agree with this, although I read somewhere someone saying Lopez claiming Froome is getting stronger each day, which was his plan..
Sounds like a terrific plan
I hope that's the case, and not just because I like Froome, but because without him reaching a better level then there is the obvious danger of the race turning into a procession with the strongest rider and strongest team dominating like at the Tour. I'm sure Movistar are targeting stage 14 and that's the day Quintana will probably wrap up the race.
 
JRanton said:
Jspear said:
JRanton said:
deValtos said:
JRanton said:
If he'd had his Tour team then he might have made it back to Quintana riding like that on that climb because there are some flat parts on it and even the climb itself isn't that steep.
That's a good point actually. Kennaugh and Lopez helped him a lot but they're not exactly the Poels/Henao/Nieve/Landa/Thomas steam engine we saw in the TDF.
Yeah, I'm not for a second saying that Quintana isn't the strongest rider in this race, he clearly is, but Froome could actually still be very close (a matter of seconds) to Quintana on GC at this point if he hadn't made that attack on stage 8 and if he'd had his best team today. Still, I think the multi mountain stages on stage 14 and 15 are going to suit Quintana even better and he will probably take a couple of minutes out of Froome on those stages. Even the time trial on stage 19, if Quintana is stronger than Froome at that point then don't expect him to lose very much time at all, if anything.
If he had his best team today then he wouldn't have had it at the Tour.
Well Moreno and Valverde both did the Tour and they are two of Quintana's three strongest helpers in this Vuelta. Unfortunately there were a lot of problems with Sky's best riders before this race including guys who didn't ride the Tour like Intxausti and Roche (who is normally very good at the Vuelta). Sergio Henao and Landa are out injured, Nieve had already done the Giro and Tour, Kwiatkowski DNF'd already, Thomas is not a rider for back to back grand tours and Poels crashed at the Olympics. Maybe they could have sent Sebastian Henao but I assume Sky thought two grand tours in a season is too much for a 23 year old which is probably a sensible decision.
Moreno has been useless. Pretty much everyone on the team is a better helper for Nairito.
 

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