Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Valv.Piti]

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Amazing... Quintana beating or even crushing Froome in the vuelta is ABSOLUTELY normal, thats the way its gotta be, the other way round - not at all. There's too little enthusiasm though the double of two consecutive grand tours hasnt been so close since 1998.

I don't quite agree; while Froome raced in the Olympics, Quintana had a much better spring campaign and has more race days than Froome. Going in, Froome was favoured more than Quintana.

 

[silvergrenade]

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Amazing... Quintana beating or even crushing Froome in the vuelta is ABSOLUTELY normal, thats the way its gotta be, the other way round - not at all. There's too little enthusiasm though the double of two consecutive grand tours hasnt been so close since 1998.

Quinatanas performances are more credible because of his small size. Go figure.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[kenk09]

If he can win this Vuelta it would be incredible, but I still can't believe it. I just don't believe that it's possible to ride the tour where you get into top shape in the 3rd week, then you ride the Olympics still with the tdf peak, but when you start at the Vuelta 1.5 weeks later you basically start your preparation again and ride yourself into top shape.

Usually the riders who try the Tour-Vuelta double try to keep the tour shape for as long as possible so they still have it in Spain but Froome does the exact opposite. And if that wouldn't already be strange enough he does that although he had another race two weeks earlier for which he tried to keep his tour shape. I just don't understand how this can work. If he wins, it would be the most incredible performance of a rider I have ever seen, but somehow I still think he will fade.

Worth remembering that his main rivals are also doing the Tour-Vuelta (one is doing Giro-Tour-Vuelta). He's not going up against spring fresh challengers.

Worth also mentioning that he himself has done the tour.
I generally dont reply to such BS but I was curious. I saw your previous posts; and i saw Froome on the floor with Richie and TGBM on Mt Ventoux.
Your Caption: BOOOOO... I hate you so much.
Your hate is sickening; please take it somewhere else.

On to a positive note, great ride by Froome today. I think he's getting better as the stages go by.
I think Quintana needs about 45 secs more on Froome to be on the safe side I think.

That you misunderstood a very uncomplicated point, and then searched to find another very uncomplicated point to misunderstand, is flattering. You must try harder to correctly understand things though.

 

[Põhja Konn]

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Amazing... Quintana beating or even crushing Froome in the vuelta is ABSOLUTELY normal, thats the way its gotta be, the other way round - not at all. There's too little enthusiasm though the double of two consecutive grand tours hasnt been so close since 1998.

Given their respective build-ups to the Vuelta, Quintana being stronger than Froome is more logical than the other way around. And while he has a decent lead, Quintana hasn't really crushed Froome. Froome himself hasn't up to now done anything absurd or unbelievable so far in this Vuelta, he hasn't even been the standout rider thus far. That honour goes for Valverde. But I did bring out one possible scenario, which to me would represent Froome going overboard.

I am a bit surprised about very fast climbing times posted thus far. Did not expect that, as two main conteders did the full Tour beforehand, and one is riding his 3rd consecutive GT.

 

[silvergrenade]

If he can win this Vuelta it would be incredible, but I still can't believe it. I just don't believe that it's possible to ride the tour where you get into top shape in the 3rd week, then you ride the Olympics still with the tdf peak, but when you start at the Vuelta 1.5 weeks later you basically start your preparation again and ride yourself into top shape.

Usually the riders who try the Tour-Vuelta double try to keep the tour shape for as long as possible so they still have it in Spain but Froome does the exact opposite. And if that wouldn't already be strange enough he does that although he had another race two weeks earlier for which he tried to keep his tour shape. I just don't understand how this can work. If he wins, it would be the most incredible performance of a rider I have ever seen, but somehow I still think he will fade.

Worth remembering that his main rivals are also doing the Tour-Vuelta (one is doing Giro-Tour-Vuelta). He's not going up against spring fresh challengers.

Worth also mentioning that he himself has done the tour.
I generally dont reply to such BS but I was curious. I saw your previous posts; and i saw Froome on the floor with Richie and TGBM on Mt Ventoux.
Your Caption: BOOOOO... I hate you so much.
Your hate is sickening; please take it somewhere else.

On to a positive note, great ride by Froome today. I think he's getting better as the stages go by.
I think Quintana needs about 45 secs more on Froome to be on the safe side I think.

That you misunderstood a very uncomplicated point, and then searched to find another very uncomplicated point to misunderstand, is flattering. You must try harder to correctly understand things though.

Good luck with your hate.
Will try to understand things better next time.
Also, flattering to see people knowing how much hate you have buried inside you for somebody who dont even know? Hilarious. I hope your guy wins sometimes against Froome. Might drown it down a bit.
Good day.

 

[Põhja Konn]

If he can win this Vuelta it would be incredible, but I still can't believe it. I just don't believe that it's possible to ride the tour where you get into top shape in the 3rd week, then you ride the Olympics still with the tdf peak, but when you start at the Vuelta 1.5 weeks later you basically start your preparation again and ride yourself into top shape.

Usually the riders who try the Tour-Vuelta double try to keep the tour shape for as long as possible so they still have it in Spain but Froome does the exact opposite. And if that wouldn't already be strange enough he does that although he had another race two weeks earlier for which he tried to keep his tour shape. I just don't understand how this can work. If he wins, it would be the most incredible performance of a rider I have ever seen, but somehow I still think he will fade.

Worth remembering that his main rivals are also doing the Tour-Vuelta (one is doing Giro-Tour-Vuelta). He's not going up against spring fresh challengers.

Worth also mentioning that he himself has done the tour.
I generally dont reply to such BS but I was curious. I saw your previous posts; and i saw Froome on the floor with Richie and TGBM on Mt Ventoux.
Your Caption: BOOOOO... I hate you so much.
Your hate is sickening; please take it somewhere else.

On to a positive note, great ride by Froome today. I think he's getting better as the stages go by.
I think Quintana needs about 45 secs more on Froome to be on the safe side I think.

That you misunderstood a very uncomplicated point, and then searched to find another very uncomplicated point to misunderstand, is flattering. You must try harder to correctly understand things though.

Good luck with your hate.
Will try to understand things better next time.
Also, flattering to see people knowing how much hate you have buried inside you for somebody who dont even know? Hilarious. I hope your guy wins sometimes against Froome. Might drown it down a bit.
Good day.

Do you actually read the posts you're replying to? Its a serious question.

 

[kenk09]

If he can win this Vuelta it would be incredible, but I still can't believe it. I just don't believe that it's possible to ride the tour where you get into top shape in the 3rd week, then you ride the Olympics still with the tdf peak, but when you start at the Vuelta 1.5 weeks later you basically start your preparation again and ride yourself into top shape.

Usually the riders who try the Tour-Vuelta double try to keep the tour shape for as long as possible so they still have it in Spain but Froome does the exact opposite. And if that wouldn't already be strange enough he does that although he had another race two weeks earlier for which he tried to keep his tour shape. I just don't understand how this can work. If he wins, it would be the most incredible performance of a rider I have ever seen, but somehow I still think he will fade.

Worth remembering that his main rivals are also doing the Tour-Vuelta (one is doing Giro-Tour-Vuelta). He's not going up against spring fresh challengers.

Worth also mentioning that he himself has done the tour.
I generally dont reply to such BS but I was curious. I saw your previous posts; and i saw Froome on the floor with Richie and TGBM on Mt Ventoux.
Your Caption: BOOOOO... I hate you so much.
Your hate is sickening; please take it somewhere else.

On to a positive note, great ride by Froome today. I think he's getting better as the stages go by.
I think Quintana needs about 45 secs more on Froome to be on the safe side I think.

That you misunderstood a very uncomplicated point, and then searched to find another very uncomplicated point to misunderstand, is flattering. You must try harder to correctly understand things though.

Good luck with your hate.
Will try to understand things better next time.
Also, flattering to see people knowing how much hate you have buried inside you for somebody who dont even know? Hilarious. I hope your guy wins sometimes against Froome. Might drown it down a bit.
Good day.

Even when it's pointed out that you misunderstood both posts, you carry on misunderstanding. Remarkable.

 

[dacooley]

Re: Re:

Amazing... Quintana beating or even crushing Froome in the vuelta is ABSOLUTELY normal, thats the way its gotta be, the other way round - not at all. There's too little enthusiasm though the double of two consecutive grand tours hasnt been so close since 1998.

Given their respective build-ups to the Vuelta, Quintana being stronger than Froome is more logical than the other way around. And while he has a decent lead, Quintana hasn't really crushed Froome. Froome himself hasn't up to now done anything absurd or unbelievable so far in this Vuelta, but I did bring out one possible scenario, which to me would represent just that.

It very much depends on what to call unbelievable and absurd. Quintana destroyed froome on camperona by edging out about 30 sec or so. Had Froome done the same it could also have been okish to me, otherwise it would look like terrible double standarts im guessing. Their level as gc riders is generally very close with Froome being a better time trialer. Yes, the stars should probably align perfectly for making the tour vuelta double, but with Froome being in great shape, getting lucky when needed and Nairo underperfoming in one of the days, its possible. Thats not what i'd describe like something unbelievable and absurd as you put it.

 

[Amnes2015]

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some people don't know what they are talking about.

Froome prepared differently between 2012 and 2016. In 2012 he trained a lot between TdF and Vuelta, was good first part of the Vuelta and faded away.

Ofcourse he won't prepare in 2016 in the same way, only idiots do the same mistake twice expecting different results.

Now he tried to rest more between TdF and Vuelta (his so-so form at the Olympics is proof) and hoping for longer buildup training in race. If it will work, who knows, at least he's trying something different.

 

[Põhja Konn]

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Amazing... Quintana beating or even crushing Froome in the vuelta is ABSOLUTELY normal, thats the way its gotta be, the other way round - not at all. There's too little enthusiasm though the double of two consecutive grand tours hasnt been so close since 1998.

Given their respective build-ups to the Vuelta, Quintana being stronger than Froome is more logical than the other way around. And while he has a decent lead, Quintana hasn't really crushed Froome. Froome himself hasn't up to now done anything absurd or unbelievable so far in this Vuelta, but I did bring out one possible scenario, which to me would represent just that.

It very much depends on what to call unbelievable and absurd. Quintana destroyed froome on camperona by edging out about 30 sec or so. Had Froome done the same it could also have been okish to me, otherwise it would look like terrible double standarts im guessing. Their level as gc riders is generally very close with Froome being a better time trialer. Yes, the stars should probably align perfectly for making the tour vuelta double, but with Froome being in great shape, getting lucky when needed and Nairo underperfoming in one of the days, its possible. Thats not what i'd describe like something unbelievable and absurd as you put it.

Situation which I described as absurd and unbelievable was the one where Froome would become stronger and stronger as the Vuelta goes on, not the one you just described. If he holds his current form, or slightly declines, but ends up as a winner thanks to managing his strenght better, then that is perfectly normal. We will see soon, how things develope.

 

[Vladivar]

All i care about is that the race becomes more fascinating by the day

And i thought today was brilliant fun and Froome and Quintana finally battled it out. Loads of respect to the others too as that looked hard.

Maybe on Aubisque we will see the Sky train

 

[Taxus4a]

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don't bother with Põhja Konn , every time Froome wins something a tear appear in the corner of his eye and he furiously keystrokes a camouflaged clinic post in PRR forum.

some people don't know what they are talking about.

Froome prepared differently between 2012 and 2016. In 2012 he trained a lot between TdF and Vuelta, was good first part of the Vuelta and faded away.

Ofcourse he won't prepare in 2016 in the same way, only idiots do the same mistake twice expecting different results.

Now he tried to rest more between TdF and Vuelta (his so-so form at the Olympics is proof) and hoping for longer buildup training in race. If it will work, who knows, at least he's trying something different.

It is ot just a question on that, first time you try seriusly a double you fail, it is normal.

now he is a better rider.

 

[Red Rick]

I deleted some clinic references, so I'd like to remind you to stick to the clinic if you want to talk clinic.

Also, try and keep it friendly please.

 

[movingtarget]

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I'd be interested to hear how much time people think either Froome or Quintana can gain from the other on the remaining GC road stages, ie stages 14, 15, 17, and 20.

I'd still expect Quintana to be slight favourite on those multi mountain stages this weekend, but if like today Quintana accelerates and can't drop Froome things could be very interesting, very different on today's climb than the weekend though obviously.

Froome said he learned the other day to not try a silly attack and blow himself up so I guess he won't try anything too far fetched. He may even believe he can overcome the 54 second gap on Quintana in the TT so just tries to stick to his wheel. Stage 20 doesn't look overly difficult and I don't expect a big time difference between the pair unless one of them fades massively by then.

At least Froome understands that. If he attacks he can blow up later. When Contador was dominating it did not matter but since he has come back to the field he is still making attacks when he should be riding a little more defensively. Especially when he is injured and losing time on other stages. His attack on the stage he pulled out of in the Tour was just dumb. It achieved nothing at all and was never going to. Still that's Contador, most of the time he never needed tactics and now it's too late for him to change I suppose.

 

[Mr.White]

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What do you think about stage 19 which is the ITT?
I mean, are there any TT specialists who can beat Froome?
If not, a stage win there is also on the cards.

I think he will be too tired to win, in fact I think he will not be the best among the GC contenders, maybe even in his own team

 

[Amnes2015]

He looks lean and mean like a killing machine

I think Quintana is in for a shock on Aubisque. ITT won't even matter ...

 

[PremierAndrew]

Ngl, I also get the feeling that Quintana is going to fade more than Froome from here

 

[sir fly]

Speaking about Quintana's form curve... Everybody's accepting the fact he skipped the Olympics and trained at altitude like an advantage and predictor of consistency throughout three weeks.
Don't forget that he does have the Tour in his legs, and that he rode it with health issues. That takes much more from a rider than the two races Froome rode in the meantime.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Speaking about Quintana's form curve... Everybody's accepting the fact he skipped the Olympics and trained at altitude like an advantage and predictor of consistency throughout three weeks.
Don't forget that he does have the Tour in his legs, and that he rode it with health issues. That takes much more from a rider than the two races Froome rode in the meantime.

Wich health issues? They didt find anything.. sometimes you dont have the legs or somethigs happens, and it is after that and stop, when you find your best.

 

[Taxus4a]

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He looks lean and mean like a killing machine

I think Quintana is in for a shock on Aubisque. ITT won't even matter ...

Yes, I have seen Froome several times in my life since 2010, and this is the time he is leaner. He even looks taller for that reason.

I took this pictures:

 

[MatParker117]

Aubisque is his type of climb, think he'll go hard.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Speaking about Quintana's form curve... Everybody's accepting the fact he skipped the Olympics and trained at altitude like an advantage and predictor of consistency throughout three weeks.
Don't forget that he does have the Tour in his legs, and that he rode it with health issues. That takes much more from a rider than the two races Froome rode in the meantime.

Wich heath issues? They didt fid aythig.. sometimes you dothave the legs or somehows happes, and it is after thatand stop, when you find your best.

Please fix your keyboard this is unreadable. I hope your work emails don't look like this!

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What do you think about stage 19 which is the ITT?
I mean, are there any TT specialists who can beat Froome?
If not, a stage win there is also on the cards.

I think he will be too tired to win, in fact I think he will not be the best among the GC contenders, maybe even in his own team

Which GC contender can ride a better TT than a tired Froome?

1QUINTANA Nairo MOVISTAR TEAM46:53:31
2FROOME Christopher TEAM SKY0:54
3VALVERDE Alejandro MOVISTAR TEAM1:05
4CHAVES Johan Esteban ORICA-BIKEEXCHANGE2:34
5CONTADOR Alberto TINKOFF3:08
6KÖNIG Leopold TEAM SKY3:09
7YATES Simon ORICA-BIKEEXCHANGE3:25
8SCARPONI Michele ASTANA PRO TEAM3:34
9DE LA CRUZ David ETIXX - QUICK STEP3:45
10SÁNCHEZ Samuel BMC RACING TEAM3:56

Those are hardly renowned TTers. I suppose you may think König will beat Froome, but he'd have to fade a lot

 

[Brullnux]

Contador and König are the only ones really. Contador's TT is usually decent no matter his shape.

Actually and Valverde, but Froome has to properly fade, a la Cuitu Negru

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Ngl, I also get the feeling that Quintana is going to fade more than Froome from here

Normally, both should fade, but we haven't seen any indication of that whatsoever so I doubt it'll happen.
Everything we thought we knew about recovery and form turns out to be false, these days it's possible to go above 6 W/kg for 30 minutes with a GT in your legs I guess we'll see all GC contenders compete at the Giro in preparation for the Tour next year