Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[silvergrenade]

You still dont get it, do you?
Ofc Froome beats Stannard everytime. Thats not the point. The point is: Froome and Quintana have the highest W/Kg in this race. Hence, nobody weighing lesser than him couldve performed better.

But you'll still argue. You've been wrong 10000000 times in the past 2 days so just rest your case.

 

[Gigs_98]

I'm curious what he will do tomorrow. Attacking on the last climb won't be enough. Quintana is in the better climbing shape, the climb isn't that difficult and even in LPSM he didn't gain that much time on him. If he wants to win the Vuelta he has to attack from further out.
Anyway, chapeau! That was a superb ride. Way better than I expected from him after only being mediocre in the last few stages.

 

[Amnes2015]

i think Sky will have to test Quintana early, to see if he is having a bad day, very unlikely. If Quintana is the usual self from this Vuelta there is no way he puts 1:30 in him on the last climb.

maybe go for stage win, green jersey or whatever he can get

i'm 101% that a long range attack will not work , 2 times in same GT ? nah

 

[damian13ster]

Plus not against a team like movistar. There is lretty much no way that entire Sky (whatever is left) can drop more than 1-2 Movi domestiques

 

[bigcog]

Great ride, there is always fight in the dawg.

 

[JRanton]

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Great ride, there is always fight in the dawg.

Yup, it always makes me laugh when people question his mentality. He's very strong mentally as are all of the 'big 4'.

 

[boasson]

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The final climb tomorrow is not that steep. I think its pretty perfect for Froome and his 440 watts power output.

If he will have a gap of 10 secs to Quintana when they hit the last climb, he can TT the climb for sure a minute faster than Quintana. But the big big question is: How the hell you can drop Quintana before starting the last climb and let him isolated. So there is only one possibility to do that: Send your half team into the breakaway, attack at half-gas at Puerto de Tudons and isolate Quintana. Drop him with the help of Contador in the downhill, work together with Contador till you get your teammates back from the frontgroup. And then they have to ride all they have till the last 12kms. If Quinti is not at your wheel with 12 km to go, you have the chance to win this race. Otherwise not really.

 

[Mr.White]

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The final climb tomorrow is not that steep. I think its pretty perfect for Froome and his 440 watts power output.

If he will have a gap of 10 secs to Quintana when they hit the last climb, he can TT the climb for sure a minute faster than Quintana. But the big big question is: How the hell you can drop Quintana before starting the last climb and let him isolated. So there is only one possibility to do that: Send your half team into the breakaway, attack at half-gas at Puerto de Tudons and isolate Quintana. Drop him with the help of Contador in the downhill, work together with Contador till you get your teammates back from the frontgroup. And then they have to ride all they have till the last 12kms. If Quinti is not at your wheel with 12 km to go, you have the chance to win this race. Otherwise not really.

Just like he did on Formigal? :lol:

 

[dacooley]

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The final climb tomorrow is not that steep. I think its pretty perfect for Froome and his 440 watts power output.

If he will have a gap of 10 secs to Quintana when they hit the last climb, he can TT the climb for sure a minute faster than Quintana. But the big big question is: How the hell you can drop Quintana before starting the last climb and let him isolated. So there is only one possibility to do that: Send your half team into the breakaway, attack at half-gas at Puerto de Tudons and isolate Quintana. Drop him with the help of Contador in the downhill, work together with Contador till you get your teammates back from the frontgroup. And then they have to ride all they have till the last 12kms. If Quinti is not at your wheel with 12 km to go, you have the chance to win this race. Otherwise not really.

Just like he did on Formigal? :lol:

just like AC was supposed to beat Froome in TT as well as Froome had to crack in any big moutain stage, based on numerous oracles' predictions.

 

[Valv.Piti]

One of the best performances I've seen this year. Chapeau!

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Drop him with the help of Contador in the downhill, work together with Contador till you get your teammates back from the frontgroup.

Wait what? you seriously expect Contador to help Froome win the race? He's not his teammate, you know. He has König, Kennaugh, Boswell for that

 

[AlexNYC]

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Great ride for Froome today.
Congrats to him.
He would've won this Vuelta. He is the best GT racer in this Vuelta.
Tough to be in his shoes right now, knowing and hurting for what couldve been his.

It was a great ride by Froome, no question, but you can't say he would've won this Vuelta. Quintana has been a lot stronger than him in the mountains throughout the race and would have most likely taken time from Froome in other places. In fact, one of the chief reasons the gap in Fromigal was so large was the huge effort Froome had to make the previous day in Aubisque just to stay on Quintana's wheel on the last climb.

Nope. Unless Froome drops him tomorrow, Quintana has been the clearly stronger rider this Vuelta and he deserves to win.

 

[DBotero]

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The final climb tomorrow is not that steep. I think its pretty perfect for Froome and his 440 watts power output.

If he will have a gap of 10 secs to Quintana when they hit the last climb, he can TT the climb for sure a minute faster than Quintana. But the big big question is: How the hell you can drop Quintana before starting the last climb and let him isolated. So there is only one possibility to do that: Send your half team into the breakaway, attack at half-gas at Puerto de Tudons and isolate Quintana. Drop him with the help of Contador in the downhill, work together with Contador till you get your teammates back from the frontgroup. And then they have to ride all they have till the last 12kms. If Quinti is not at your wheel with 12 km to go, you have the chance to win this race. Otherwise not really.

That's not going to happen.I think you missed that descent in TDF 2013

 

[Poursuivant]

If he wants to win The Vuelta, he cannot wait until that last climb. Big, big ask, but you don't win the lottery unless you buy a ticket.

 

[Inquitus]

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Great ride for Froome today.
Congrats to him.
He would've won this Vuelta. He is the best GT racer in this Vuelta.
Tough to be in his shoes right now, knowing and hurting for what couldve been his.

It was a great ride by Froome, no question, but you can't say he would've won this Vuelta. Quintana has been a lot stronger than him in the mountains throughout the race and would have most likely taken time from Froome in other places. In fact, one of the chief reasons the gap in Fromigal was so large was the huge effort Froome had to make the previous day in Aubisque just to stay on Quintana's wheel on the last climb.

Nope. Unless Froome drops him tomorrow, Quintana has been the clearly stronger rider this Vuelta and he deserves to win.

That's simply not true, Quintana took 30 secs on Froome from the bottom of Fromigal to the top, the fact Froome and Sky were napping is the only reason Quintana will win this Vuelta, Froome has been the strongest all round rider for the 3 weeks so far, only unfortunately for him, he and his team made a stupid error on one stage that cost him the race.

 

[AlexNYC]

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Great ride for Froome today.
Congrats to him.
He would've won this Vuelta. He is the best GT racer in this Vuelta.
Tough to be in his shoes right now, knowing and hurting for what couldve been his.

It was a great ride by Froome, no question, but you can't say he would've won this Vuelta. Quintana has been a lot stronger than him in the mountains throughout the race and would have most likely taken time from Froome in other places. In fact, one of the chief reasons the gap in Fromigal was so large was the huge effort Froome had to make the previous day in Aubisque just to stay on Quintana's wheel on the last climb.

Nope. Unless Froome drops him tomorrow, Quintana has been the clearly stronger rider this Vuelta and he deserves to win.

That's simply not true, Quintana took 30 secs on Froome from the bottom of Fromigal to the top, the fact Froome and Sky were napping is the only reason Quintana will win this Vuelta, Froome has been the strongest all round rider for the 3 weeks so far, only unfortunately for him, he and his team made a stupid error on one stage that cost him the race.

Yes, let's just ignore the inconvenient fact that Quintana took those 30 seconds after having worked all day in the break while Froome was just following wheels because he was too weak to take even a single pull. Also, let's pretend that everything that has transpired after the Fromigal stage would have occurred exactly the same way if Quintana didn't have such a huge advantage.

 

[Inquitus]

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Great ride for Froome today.
Congrats to him.
He would've won this Vuelta. He is the best GT racer in this Vuelta.
Tough to be in his shoes right now, knowing and hurting for what couldve been his.

It was a great ride by Froome, no question, but you can't say he would've won this Vuelta. Quintana has been a lot stronger than him in the mountains throughout the race and would have most likely taken time from Froome in other places. In fact, one of the chief reasons the gap in Fromigal was so large was the huge effort Froome had to make the previous day in Aubisque just to stay on Quintana's wheel on the last climb.

Nope. Unless Froome drops him tomorrow, Quintana has been the clearly stronger rider this Vuelta and he deserves to win.

That's simply not true, Quintana took 30 secs on Froome from the bottom of Fromigal to the top, the fact Froome and Sky were napping is the only reason Quintana will win this Vuelta, Froome has been the strongest all round rider for the 3 weeks so far, only unfortunately for him, he and his team made a stupid error on one stage that cost him the race.

Yes, let's just ignore the inconvenient fact that Quintana took those 30 seconds after having worked all day in the break while Froome was just following wheels because he was too weak to take even a single pull. Also, let's pretend that everything that has transpired after the Fromigal stage would have occurred exactly the same way if Quintana didn't have such a huge advantage.

Quintana did nothing in the break on the Fromigal stage though, and we only had the 1 MTF since, hard to see how Quintana would have won this race without Froome and Sky being caught napping tbh.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Quintana did nothing in the break on the Fromigal stage though,.

That's not even remotely true.

 

[AlexNYC]

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Great ride for Froome today.
Congrats to him.
He would've won this Vuelta. He is the best GT racer in this Vuelta.
Tough to be in his shoes right now, knowing and hurting for what couldve been his.

It was a great ride by Froome, no question, but you can't say he would've won this Vuelta. Quintana has been a lot stronger than him in the mountains throughout the race and would have most likely taken time from Froome in other places. In fact, one of the chief reasons the gap in Fromigal was so large was the huge effort Froome had to make the previous day in Aubisque just to stay on Quintana's wheel on the last climb.

Nope. Unless Froome drops him tomorrow, Quintana has been the clearly stronger rider this Vuelta and he deserves to win.

That's simply not true, Quintana took 30 secs on Froome from the bottom of Fromigal to the top, the fact Froome and Sky were napping is the only reason Quintana will win this Vuelta, Froome has been the strongest all round rider for the 3 weeks so far, only unfortunately for him, he and his team made a stupid error on one stage that cost him the race.

Yes, let's just ignore the inconvenient fact that Quintana took those 30 seconds after having worked all day in the break while Froome was just following wheels because he was too weak to take even a single pull. Also, let's pretend that everything that has transpired after the Fromigal stage would have occurred exactly the same way if Quintana didn't have such a huge advantage.

Quintana did nothing in the break on the Fromigal stage though, and we only had the 1 MTF since, hard to see how Quintana would have won this race without Froome and Sky being caught napping tbh.

As shown in the TV broadcast, he did work in the break. I'm not sure why some people keep repeating that he didn't when the evidence to the contrary is so readily available.

No one knows how things would have turned out without the Contador attack, but what is clear to me is that Quintana has been the strongest rider by far until today. In fact, today's stage is the only one where Froome was clearly stronger than him.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Quintana did nothing in the break on the Fromigal stage though, and we only had the 1 MTF since, hard to see how Quintana would have won this race without Froome and Sky being caught napping tbh.

Quintana did a fair amount of work in the break, Froome had a terrible day and likely would have lost some time to Quintana anyway. Quintana probably would have gained a few seconds on Wednesday too, he could have attacked Contador and Chavez when they went clear of Froome.

Without stage 15 Froome probably goes into tomorrow with a 30-40 second lead, which actually would have made for a superb final day.

Not to be, though it could still be a fascinating day.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Gosh, did you realise just how much stronger Quintana was on the stage to Formigal? He was pretty incredible that day, the day after he apparently wore Froome out on Aubisque (no other explanation for Froome being that relatively bad). Quintana most likely pulled more than Contador, yet, when Contador was dropped, everyone was in awe (well, mainly Danish commentators) of just how much work he'd done compared to Quintana and that it only was natural he would drop etc. Also, the 'Froome would've have won if not for him messing up and Quintana has Contador to thank for the victory' narratives also seem gain steam. Not only here, also commentators. Black/white. Pretty annoying to read and hear all this stuff - if you didn't know better, you'd think Quintana had this gifted. Christ, man.

Quintana has been the strongest through 2 1/2 weeks and Froome has barely been able to hold in many instances when he didn't get dropped. Yeah, Sky messed up and it would have looked differently if they hadn't, but you simply just can't take the time Quintana gained that day, throw it away and conclude definitely that Froome would've won if not for that stage.

 

[Ataraxus]

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Gosh, did you realise just how much stronger Quintana was on the stage to Formigal? He was pretty incredible that day, the day after he apparently wore Froome out on Aubisque (no other explanation for Froome being that relatively bad). Quintana most likely pulled more than Contador, yet, when Contador was dropped, everyone was in awe (well, mainly Danish commentators) of just how much work he'd done compared to Quintana and that it only was natural he would drop etc. Also, the 'Froome would've have won if not for him messing up and Quintana has Contador to thank for the victory' narratives also seem gain steam. Not only here, also commentators. Black/white. Pretty annoying to read and hear all this stuff - if you didn't know better, you'd think Quintana had this gifted. Christ, man.

Quintana has been the strongest through 2 1/2 weeks and Froome has barely been able to hold in many instances when he didn't get dropped. Yeah, Sky messed up and it would have looked differently if they hadn't, but you simply just can't take the time Quintana gained that day, throw it away and conclude definitely that Froome would've won if not for that stage.

-You don't take aliments in the same manner when you are isolated for 100km as compared to when you are with domestiques. 1 big reason.
- Of course you can't conclude definitely, but you can make assumptions. One solid assumption would be that " Had the Formigal Skyfall not happened, Froome would have been in red today"

 

[MatParker117]

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Drop him with the help of Contador in the downhill, work together with Contador till you get your teammates back from the frontgroup.

Wait what? you seriously expect Contador to help Froome win the race? He's not his teammate, you know. He has König, Kennaugh, Boswell for that

Why not? Tinkoff has nothing from this race and I could see a "Help me get the time I need and the stage is yours" deal.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Quintana most likely pulled more than Contador, yet, when Contador was dropped, everyone was in awe

That's probably not true, Fraile said Contador and Castroviejo did most work.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Why not? Tinkoff has nothing from this race and I could see a "Help me get the time I need and the stage is yours" deal.

If you think Contador would ever do that you don't know him too well, he's proud and would never agree to help someone win a race just for a stage win and besides that he seems to like Quintana way more.