Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Publicus]

To assert his positon Froome thought demoting Wiggins was neccessary. Maybe from my viewpoint it wasn't, but from his it was. Ok how do you know Wiggins didn't prepare well for the Giro and was whining?? I'm not saying you're wrong btw. Not sure whether Nibali would've attacked more, maybe different places i.e on a descent. Nibali was climbing better than Wiggin's would've been so I actually doubt he would've changed anything about his attacks. Interestingly he beat Di Luca's record on Tre Cimi Laveredo from the far from clean 2007 Giro

He admitted that he skipped the final Sky Giro camp to spend time with his family.

"There has been a natural selection this year through Chris’s performances and my performances that he warrants being the team leader; and if he wins the Tour, that continues through to next year. I can live with that. I didn’t go to the altitude camp before the Giro because I wanted to be with my family; the kids are getting older and I like watching [my son] Ben play rugby and other things.”

 

[nick101]

I know he didn't prepare well because he was dropped on climbs and descents and everywhere in between. The Wiggins we saw that Giro was definitely not the same one we saw in 2012. iirc, there was also something in the news about him picking and choosing what team training camps to go to. Plus he didn't race much before it, not sure if that affected anything, but it may have.

As for the whining, he was continuing to complain about Froome riding away from him last year in practically every interview he did it seemed. He came across more than a few times as someone that couldn't let go of the past.

Yes well I'd be irritated if my own domestique tried to undermine my position in yellow by attacking, so that's ok, especially understandable given Wiggin's personality. Yes point taken about getting dropped and picking and choosing. However for me Wiggin's was at a very good form - he would've won the ITT if it wasn't for a mechanical. He did race before hand - the Giro Trentino bike throw reminded me he did race. As for getting dropped on climbs, the 1st mtf was difficult for wiggin's - constantly fluctuating gradients with max of 20%. Wiggins is only suited to constant gradients and more gradual climbs (<8%) so it wasn't surprising he got dropped; I honestly think he would've got dropped even in amazing form.

Yes natural selection was a factor, but it essentially backed up what Froome was wanting to happen with leadership of this years Tour and future Tours

 

[Afrank]

Yes well I'd be irritated if my own domestique tried to undermine my position in yellow by attacking, so that's ok, especially given Wiggin's personality. Yes point taken about getting dropped and picking and choosing. However for me Wiggin's was at a very good form - he would've won the ITT if it wasn't for a mechanical. He did race before hand - the Giro Trentino bike throw at reminded me he did race. As for getting dropped on climbs, the 1st mtf was difficult for wiggin's - constantly fluctuating gradients with max of 20%. Wiggins is only suited to constant gradients and more gradual climbs (<8%) so it wasn't surprising he got dropped; I honestly think he would've got dropped even in amazing form.

Yes natural selection was a factor, but it essentially backed up what Froome was wanting to happen with leadership of this years Tour and future Tours

I don't agree Froome was trying to undermine Wiggins position. Regardless, Wiggins continuing to bring it up shows he can't move on. Wiggins form was probably decent, but nothing near his 2012 form.
Didn't say he didn't race at all before BTW, but he didn't race that much.

 

[gooner]

Brailsford:

"In Team Sky, with Richie Porte and Chris Froome, we have got the two, potentially, best riders in the race and we are focused on what we can do to win this race and control what we can control."

He added: "With Richie, he has had a fantastic year, he is one of the best riders in the world right now. There is no doubt about it. He is climbing brilliantly.

"Should anything happen to Chris in terms of his ambition to win the race, we need to make sure that we have somebody in contention who can then pick up that baton and run with it, should that situation arise.

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/n...fuses-to-rule-out-one-two-finish-for-Team-Sky

 

[LaFlorecita]

Brailsford:





http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/n...fuses-to-rule-out-one-two-finish-for-Team-Sky

Two best riders in the world lol facepalm

 

[horsinabout]

Brailsford:





http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/n...fuses-to-rule-out-one-two-finish-for-Team-Sky

Interviewer: you have attracted criticism from the peloton due to your dominance in the grand tours this year?

DB: Do I look dovered, nar I'm not dovered....

http://youtu.be/qhLlXvkm65Y

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Two best riders in the world lol facepalm

Yeah pretty arrogant from a team which could only manage a 1-2 last year.

Talking about getting a 1-2 is clearly silly.

 

[Cimber]

Yeah pretty arrogant from a team which could only manage a 1-2 last year.

Talking about getting a 1-2 is clearly silly.

Not the same two riders, not the same type of parcours, and especially not the same competition. While I think Froome will win I dont think Porte will finish second (of course its not an totally impossible scenario but I dont think it will happen).

For the heck of it, why not do an avartar bet on the subject?

 

[horsinabout]

Brailsford:





http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/n...fuses-to-rule-out-one-two-finish-for-Team-Sky

Interviewer: you have attracted criticism from the peloton due to your dominance in the grand tours this year?

DB: Do I look bovered, nar I'm not bovered....

http://youtu.be/qhLlXvkm65Y

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[Carols]

Interviewer: you have attracted criticism from the peloton due to your dominance in the grand tours this year?

DB: Do I look dovered, nar I'm not dovered....

http://youtu.be/qhLlXvkm65Y

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There has only been one GT this year and Sky certainly didn't dominate

 

[Taxus4a]

Two best riders in the world lol facepalm

Where does he say that? he said Porte is one of the best riders in the world, no more.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Where does he say that? he said Porte is one of the best riders in the world, no more.

I'm not stupid

"In Team Sky, with Richie Porte and Chris Froome, we have got the two, potentially, best riders in the race and we are focused on what we can do to win this race and control what we can control."

 

[The Principal Sheep]

I'm not stupid

"In Team Sky, with Richie Porte and Chris Froome, we have got the two, potentially, best riders in the race and we are focused on what we can do to win this race and control what we can control."

He may well be wrong but it's not as you posted.

 

[King Boonen]

I'm not stupid

"In Team Sky, with Richie Porte and Chris Froome, we have got the two, potentially, best riders in the race and we are focused on what we can do to win this race and control what we can control."

You should probably read that again, he says "in the race". That's specifically this race, one which suits both Froome and Portes' attributes.

I actually think it's pretty hard to argue against that based on results so far this year. If Porte was on another team riding like he has been for Sky then he'd certainly be one of the top 10, if not top 5, contenders for the GC.

 

[argyllflyer]

Two best riders in the world lol facepalm

"potentially" i.e. in future.

 

[The Principal Sheep]

I actually think it's pretty hard to argue against that based on results so far this year. If Porte was on another team riding like he has been for Sky then he'd certainly be one of the top 10, if not top 5, contenders for the GC.

Which is why DB should have said "potentially two of the best" rather than "the two, potentially, best..."

 

[King Boonen]

Which is why DB should have said "potentially two of the best" rather than "the two, potentially, best..."

Means the same thing really though doesn't it? Lets not argue semantics though.

 

[LaFlorecita]

He may well be wrong but it's not as you posted.

What? Does it matter much? He's wrong either way, I can count at least 5 riders in the race who are better than Porte.

 

[LaFlorecita]

"potentially" i.e. in future.

potentially means in the future?

 

[movingtarget]

potentially means in the future?

It means they have the ability to possibly be the best two riders in the race. Let's face it, have any of Contador's team mates done as well as Porte this year in stage races ? Take Contador out of his team and Porte would be the team leader at Saxo.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It means they have the ability to possibly be the best two riders in the race. Let's face it, have any of Contador's team mates done as well as Porte this year in stage races ? Take Contador out of his team and Porte would be the team leader at Saxo.

So? it's not domestique vs domestique is it? Brailsford says Porte and Froome are potentially the best guys in the race. What about Cav? Greipel? Sagan? Contador? Martin? They are worse than Porte?

 

[wwabbit]

I'm not stupid

"In Team Sky, with Richie Porte and Chris Froome, we have got the two, potentially, best riders in the race and we are focused on what we can do to win this race and control what we can control."

This is seriously malicious of you, deliberately misquoting someone you hate just to manipulate others to being misled into thinking that he said something ridiculous.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

So? it's not domestique vs domestique is it? Brailsford says Porte and Froome are potentially the best guys in the race. What about Cav? Greipel? Sagan? Contador? Martin? They are worse than Porte?

The magic words being General Classifications.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Not the same two riders, not the same type of parcours, and especially not the same competition. While I think Froome will win I dont think Porte will finish second (of course its not an totally impossible scenario but I dont think it will happen).

For the heck of it, why not do an avartar bet on the subject?

Because I'm not a child.

A 'face palm' is for something unuterably stupid, and as much as she might not want to accept it, aiming to repeat last year with a lineup which has won more than the previous year, is not silly.

 

[Jericho]

In an ideal world, Froome would be sitting pretty entering the 3rd week. He should have a better TTT and ITT then any of the major contenders, and there's no real reason to believe he'll lose major time in the first go around of the mountains. at that point, it's his Tour to lose. We'll see if it happens.