Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

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I suppose mostly Froome is trying to put pressure on any team that he is on or will be on, that he really wants full support, I don't think he wants to work for anyone at this point, even if that someone is stronger than him. That's understandable, he has won so much but at least sees himself as still able to win a tour. But that means he is probably willing to give up money, but not his aim of winning that one more tour. So on the one hand I find it hard to imagine he will switch teams before a 2020 TdF, because there's hardly time . On the other hand a tour where he knows he's not the supported leader is probably worthless for him. I think he knows he is not clearly better than Bernal at this point, especially on a route with no real time trial. And next year Evenepoel is coming :)
By the way - Movistar, no way, I'd say. I don't believe in Soler or Mas being able to top 2, but Froome does not fit into Movistar's concept in any way.
 
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P.S. Rojas wrote that in Spain he'd eat very well and would have good [presumably team] support. Froome liked the tweet. "The man comes, the man goes, without [rhyme or] reason. The man comes, the man goes..."
"Cobertura" here means "(phone) coverage". He's saying he would have good coverage in Spain, which is a wink wink nudge nudge reference to Movistar, a telecommunications company.
 
One thing is almost certain: Froome riding this years Tour with a team other than Ineos will be a more interesting spectacle than Froome riding this years Tour with Ineos.

Whether they destroyed him (most likely), or he actually challenged them (and Jumbo) for the top step (less likely, though not impossible) in Paris, it would be fascinating viewing imo.
 
Reasons why Movistar makes zero sense for Froome. Froome was to be sole leader at the Tour and likely multiple other races. That right there won't happen at Movistar as they already have 3 leaders. Next Movistar's DS's are really not going to do anything to have other riders co operate if they don't want to. Did Froome miss the entire 6 part documentary? The team is currently building a very young team around Mas and Soler with the expectation that they will prove they can lead this team AND they have basically rider, leader, coach in Valverde for likely 2 more years (after this one) to help them out and provide a safety net for them. Mas and Soler get along with each other and trust Valverde. Is Froome willing to go to a team in which another rider has control of the team, gets his calendar first, will race wherever he wishes, including making last minute changes to his calendar and will never be asked to ride for anyone else unless he wants to. Plus he's literally said he recently talked with Unzue about racing an extra year and Unzue not only confirmed this but said Valverde just needs to tell him to change the contract to reflect racing in 2022 and it's done. In this case it's a little different that not commenting on who they are negotiating with or talking to simply because Valverde has a 5 year contract with 2022 through 2024 listed on the contract as to be determinate later and that includes him racing if he wishes to.

One more thing, money to re-sign Carapaz would be around 1 million or less. Froome's current salary is higher than Valverde's, that's a huge difference.
 
One thing is almost certain: Froome riding this years Tour with a team other than Ineos will be a more interesting spectacle than Froome riding this years Tour with Ineos.

Whether they destroyed him (most likely), or he actually challenged them (and Jumbo) for the top step (less likely, though not impossible) in Paris, it would be fascinating viewing imo.

I think there must be a part of Froome thinking,: “ if I lose time first week to Bernal and Thomas, even if it’s 30-45 seconds, I can’t attack them and I need to hope they get dropped or I beat them in the final stage TT.” But if he is on another team he can throw the kitchen sink at yellow, regardless. He might be thinking, time is running out for him now and he wants to retire knowing he tried to win Number 5, and not have regrets sitting in as a teammate won.

From Ineos perspective, they’ll be thinking he is 34, he is coming back from breaking about 200 bones, and there are big question marks about if he is same rider, there would be for a younger man, never mind a mid 30’s man. Then you throw in the fact he is on about £4.5m, and Ineos will be wondering if they can justify offering a new contract in the Covid era when they already have Bernal, Thomas, Carapaz as proven GT winners, and potential winners like Sivakov and Sosa coming through.

We will know soon, but I think if he doesn’t leave this season, he will leave next season, but who knows in this sport.
 
One thing is almost certain: Froome riding this years Tour with a team other than Ineos will be a more interesting spectacle than Froome riding this years Tour with Ineos.

Whether they destroyed him (most likely), or he actually challenged them (and Jumbo) for the top step (less likely, though not impossible) in Paris, it would be fascinating viewing imo.
I agree and would like to see it. I mentioned Trek as a landing spot half in jest but it actually could be a good spot for him. He's be getting way less money.
 
Look at that, they misunderstood the "cobertura" thing too.

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I'm a bit biased, evidently, but I don't think it's that bad of a miss. I thought they meant media coverage at first but that didn't quite make sense and then I thought it must be some kind of pun on team support when Juanjo replied with this:

View: https://twitter.com/juanjolobato/status/1261034597065936902

What I was missing was actually the Naranja = Orange wordplay there.
Valverde. Obviously, I'm being a bit theatrical. Froome's crash was quite likely far worse. But his 2017 Tour crash did look absolutely awful at the time.

So by that logic last successful season for them was 2006, right? And before that 1995? :rolleyes:
There were other things going on last year, like losing Quintana, Landa, Amador and Carapaz, the waiting for Roglic imbroglio and their general Tour antics. And I'm sure within the team they consider 2019 and 2016 Vuelta as successful seasons. But at the same time Unzue clearly rues missing out on a Tour win with Quintana the last five years. And like everyone else who understands the business of the sport, he sees the Tour as by far the biggest race in the calendar.

https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/tour-francia/unzue-no-soy-capaz-imaginar-una-temporada-cero-sin-tour-7952648
 
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Reasons why Movistar makes zero sense for Froome. Froome was to be sole leader at the Tour and likely multiple other races. That right there won't happen at Movistar as they already have 3 leaders. Next Movistar's DS's are really not going to do anything to have other riders co operate if they don't want to. Did Froome miss the entire 6 part documentary? The team is currently building a very young team around Mas and Soler with the expectation that they will prove they can lead this team AND they have basically rider, leader, coach in Valverde for likely 2 more years (after this one) to help them out and provide a safety net for them. Mas and Soler get along with each other and trust Valverde. Is Froome willing to go to a team in which another rider has control of the team, gets his calendar first, will race wherever he wishes, including making last minute changes to his calendar and will never be asked to ride for anyone else unless he wants to. Plus he's literally said he recently talked with Unzue about racing an extra year and Unzue not only confirmed this but said Valverde just needs to tell him to change the contract to reflect racing in 2022 and it's done. In this case it's a little different that not commenting on who they are negotiating with or talking to simply because Valverde has a 5 year contract with 2022 through 2024 listed on the contract as to be determinate later and that includes him racing if he wishes to.

One more thing, money to re-sign Carapaz would be around 1 million or less. Froome's current salary is higher than Valverde's, that's a huge difference.
The suggestion is that it would be new money from Liberty Global following their Virgin Media brand merging with Telefonica's 02 brand.

Still doesn't make sense from a practical point of view but the cash side could well work.
 
The suggestion is that it would be new money from Liberty Global following their Virgin Media brand merging with Telefonica's 02 brand.

Still doesn't make sense from a practical point of view but the cash side could well work.
There's no guarantee of an expanded budget. They are basically lucky they are one of the few teams that haven't had to cut salaries during this.

Even if they could pay him his current salary that would NOT go over well in the team as Froome makes more currently than Valverde. That would already put Froome in a very bad starting point. Then if he wants to be a sole leader, Movistar is likely the last place on the planet he would want to go as he'll never get that. Plus he'll have riders actively riding against him on the team. The reality there is a very, very, very long list of why Froome to Movistar is a bad to horrible idea and not really any good reason at all for him to go there unless he wants a team that won't work for him, he'll have to share leadership with, he will have no say on which riders go to what races. He won't have his choice of races in the first place and there are already a long list of races that Valverde, Mas, and Soler will be leaders for.
 
I'm a bit biased, evidently, but I don't think it's that bad of a miss. I thought they meant media coverage at first but that didn't quite make sense and then I thought it must be some kind of pun on team support when Juanjo replied with this:

View: https://twitter.com/juanjolobato/status/1261034597065936902

What I was missing was actually the Naranja = Orange wordplay there.

Valverde. Obviously, I'm being a bit theatrical. Froome's crash was quite likely far worse. But his 2017 Tour crash did look absolutely awful at the time.


There were other things going on last year, like losing Quintana, Landa, Amador and Carapaz, the waiting for Roglic imbroglio and their general Tour antics. And I'm sure within the team they consider 2019 and 2016 Vuelta as successful seasons. But at the same time Unzue clearly rues missing out on a Tour win with Quintana the last five years. And like everyone else who understands the business of the sport, he sees the Tour as by far the biggest race in the calendar.

https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/tour-francia/unzue-no-soy-capaz-imaginar-una-temporada-cero-sin-tour-7952648

Valverde's injury was a broken knee cap. Yes it looked horrible, but that actual injury is one that many, many, many riders have easily come back from to the form they had before the injury without any issues. The only issue with Valverde and that injury was his age, not the injury. Froome had a leg injury in which literally no one has ever successfully come back from. Even Unzue has called Valverde an outlier and talked about the fact Valverde is literally the only athlete he's seen that has had virtually no decline in his mid to late 30's.

Maybe you missed that they brought in Enric Mas and are currently building a young team around him? They have specifically been talking about going back to their roots with 3 Spanish leaders.
 
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I can't see that. Movistar has their 3 leaders, 2 of whom they are building their future around. Froome's choice of races will come after Valverde (who gets first choice) and after Mas and Soler get theirs. The only GT Froome might get full leadership for would be the Giro. Movistar is well known for going with co-leaders to Grand Tours. Why would they take a chance on an older injured rider. They already have their older leader whom they have full trust and confidence in and whom they trust to teach and coach their young GC riders. Also Movistar is already going to the Tour with 3 leaders. They don't need a 4th. One other thing is Froome would also have to understand he will never be the team leader at Movistar. That is Valverde and Valverde is likely racing for 2 more years after this season. It's his team until he retires and likely even after he retires. Froome would be going to a team in which another rider not only is the leader and that won't be challenged, but to a team in which that specific rider has the full trust of management and whom has a lot of say over how the team is run and how races are run.

Also as Libertine Seguros stated Movistar is a mid range budget team. Froome would have to take a massive pay cut to go there. 3 years ago when Landa went there he said he took a massive pay cut, but he wanted to go back to a Spanish team.
Froome riding for Movistar would be like Lance riding for T-Mobile in 2005. It makes zero sense. However, in a weird wolrd where Froome is riding for Movistar, there's no way Soler and Mas are given priority ahead of Froome.

I mean, imagine Lotto Soudal telling Gilbert "no, you can't go to San Remo because Degenkolb, De Buyst and Wellens want to go there and have priority over you". Or Total not signing Van der Poel because they have Terpstra, Petit and Turgis already in their ranks.
 
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I feel that ATM Froome doesn't really want to leave Team Ineos. He just wants to be the captain on TDF 2020. That is what it's likely about. As for the future, Froome likely will try to race for a couple more years and he will likely do that in whatever team he will be the captain.

As for TDF 2020, Thomas might end up being OK with it, but Bernal for sure thinks otherwise. Now i guess it will be interesting to see with whom the rest of the team will side with. As that is who the captain will be and that is who has a chance for GC. Currently it looks like Froome and Bernal will race against each other. Maybe therefore one should race in another GT, this year.
 
I feel that ATM Froome doesn't really want to leave Team Ineos. He just wants to be the captain on TDF 2020. That is what it's likely about. As for the future, Froome likely will try to race for a couple more years and he will likely do that in whatever team he will be the captain.

As for TDF 2020, Thomas might end up being OK with it, but Bernal for sure thinks otherwise. Now i guess it will be interesting to see with whom the rest of the team will side with. As that is who the captain will be and that is who has a chance for GC. Currently it looks like Froome and Bernal will race against each other. Maybe therefore one should race in another GT, this year.
Oh, Thomas is definitely not cool with it. He just does a great job of being fairly entertaining without ruffling any feathers. But he wants another one, and he can feel he's not far off from it. He came in second last year even though he had a bad run of crashes going into and during the Tour. On a flatter route, I think he'd be the favorite. Geraint is a fairly easygoing guy who sticks to the team line and let his legs do the talking. But he kept going for it on the Alps even though Bernal was clearly stronger. I don't think they'll go out of their way to race each other, but Bernal already stated the blooming obvious: all three of them are riding their own races.
However, in a weird wolrd where Froome is riding for Movistar, there's no way Soler and Mas are given priority ahead of Froome.

I mean, imagine Lotto Soudal telling Gilbert "no, you can't go to San Remo because Degenkolb, De Buyst and Wellens want to go there and have priority over you". Or Total not signing Van der Poel because they have Terpstra, Petit and Turgis already in their ranks.
This x10. Mas and Soler are the backup plan for the Tour, and they know it. Again, don't get me wrong, they're both good plays for the future. But, for this year, I'm pretty sure they would both be more than happy to have the team fully support them at the Giro or the Vuelta.
 
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