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Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

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Is Froome over the hill?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 39 34.8%

  • No, the GC finished 40 minutes ago but Froomie is still climbing it

    Votes: 61 54.5%

  • No he is totally winning the Vuelta

    Votes: 25 22.3%
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Netserk

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tobydawq said:
Yeah, he was definitely on the decline. In the spring of 2019, he was barely making the time limit in Catalunya - and that was before his crash. He then did manage to get to a decent level in Dauphiné before he crashed out, but it took him much longer to get there than a few years before.
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Since 2013, his results in stage races before his first GT regressed every single year (single biggest exception being Lo Port). The upside to that was clear as he managed more afterwards. In both 2016 and 2017 he only had one good day before Dauphiné, and that he didn't (prioritise to) have that after doing two doubles back-to-back is unsurprising. By all accounts, he was on track when he got injured.

His absolute peak was maybe back in 2013, but his Giro performances after suffering hardship and then on top to podium the Tour afterwards is nothing to sneeze at.
 
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Netserk said:
Since 2013, his results in stage races before his first GT regressed every single year (single biggest exception being Lo Port). The upside to that was clear as he managed more afterwards. In both 2016 and 2017 he only had one good day before Dauphiné, and that he didn't (prioritise to) have that after doing two doubles back-to-back is unsurprising. By all accounts, he was on track when he got injured.

His absolute peak was maybe back in 2013, but his Giro performances after suffering hardship and then on top to podium the Tour afterwards is nothing to sneeze at.
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Do you think his spring vs. summer level is likely to be inversely proportionate without limits or do you think it's possible that a regression in spring level also speaks to a regression in general level, even when different season planning is taken into account?
 
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I think it was age and priorities all along. It's not like he was better in the Tour in 2017 than in 2013, so no I do not claim inverse proportionality. He was past his peak in 2018, and in 2019 as well. But with experience and wise planning, he still had the level to contend for the Tour title. I think he'd have been the favourite if uninjured.
 
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Ripper said:
That is what Chris needs to do!
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Froome needs to put on weight and muscle and stop trying to climb and be multi day. Guy has a long-standing reputation for a big motor and being a factor in time trials. He needs to get on the phone with Tony Martin and Fabian Cancellara and ask what weight training did for them, and ask for emergency help, because he can't come up with the light bulb above the head moment 4,5 years from now. Plenty of diet changes he can make to gain muscle without resorting to... you know what. Can't even remember Froome factor in any race with a climb since.....
 
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Unchained said:
Froome needs to put on weight and muscle and stop trying to climb and be multi day. Guy has a long-standing reputation for a big motor and being a factor in time trials. He needs to get on the phone with Tony Martin and Fabian Cancellara and ask what weight training did for them, and ask for emergency help, because he can't come up with the light bulb above the head moment 4,5 years from now. Plenty of diet changes he can make to gain muscle without resorting to... you know what. Can't even remember Froome factor in any race with a climb since.....
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Possibly. But even the leading TT guys in a GT are pretty small now.
 
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Unchained said:
Froome needs to put on weight and muscle and stop trying to climb and be multi day. Guy has a long-standing reputation for a big motor and being a factor in time trials. He needs to get on the phone with Tony Martin and Fabian Cancellara and ask what weight training did for them, and ask for emergency help, because he can't come up with the light bulb above the head moment 4,5 years from now. Plenty of diet changes he can make to gain muscle without resorting to... you know what. Can't even remember Froome factor in any race with a climb since.....
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Some guys can’t add weight if they wanted to. He would have to get it on his thighs and truck to drive himself. I don’t know if anything short of clinic talk to make this happen. Maybe cipo can help!
 
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Unchained said:
Froome needs to put on weight and muscle and stop trying to climb and be multi day. Guy has a long-standing reputation for a big motor and being a factor in time trials. He needs to get on the phone with Tony Martin and Fabian Cancellara and ask what weight training did for them, and ask for emergency help, because he can't come up with the light bulb above the head moment 4,5 years from now. Plenty of diet changes he can make to gain muscle without resorting to... you know what. Can't even remember Froome factor in any race with a climb since.....
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If Christopher puts on any weight he'll get dropped on a speed bump, and he'll suck at any time trial that's not straight downhill
 
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Chubby Froome in his early twenties was not a monster TTer.
He finished 17th at the 2006 Commonwealth Games (5min 20sec behind the gold medal winner), the same year he finished 37th at the Giro del Capo stage race ITT.
He was 41st at the 2007 TT World championships. (Very good for us on the sofa, but not an indication of future world class form).
Quite simply, he radically improved as a TTer once he "lost the fat" in 2011.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-froome-weight-loss-tour-de-france-2016-7?r=US&IR=T
 
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tonymikejoe said:
Chubby Froome in his early twenties was not a monster TTer.
He finished 17th at the 2006 Commonwealth Games (5min 20sec behind the gold medal winner), the same year he finished 37th at the Giro del Capo stage race ITT.
He was 41st at the 2007 TT World championships. (Very good for us on the sofa, but not an indication of future world class form).
Quite simply, he radically improved as a TTer once he "lost the fat" in 2011.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-froome-weight-loss-tour-de-france-2016-7?r=US&IR=T
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But his wheels weren't round and he was wearing sand shoes.
 
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Froome needs to put on weight and muscle and stop trying to climb and be multi day. Guy has a long-standing reputation for a big motor and being a factor in time trials. He needs to get on the phone with Tony Martin and Fabian Cancellara and ask what weight training did for them, and ask for emergency help, because he can't come up with the light bulb above the head moment 4,5 years from now. Plenty of diet changes he can make to gain muscle without resorting to... you know what. Can't even remember Froome factor in any race with a climb since.....
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you forget a skinny Froome beat Martin in a TT in Romandy when he was very ill...who needs bulk :)
 
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