Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[SeriousSam]

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Strong performance. Pending a very strong showing from Quintana or Contador, he's the favourite for the Tour with the markets.

Do you think anyone cares about the betting markets, besides you of course?

Though this is just passive aggressively saying I should stop posting, I'm going to explain why the odds should be interesting to anyone who cares about prediction in case someone's wondering.

In brief, it's the same reason the media keep mentioning how the financial markets react to any news concerning the Grexit, or why credit default swaps are looked at to asses the probability of default. Market prices resulting from ivestors trading assets that pay out when an event happens can be seen as the probability that event is going to happen. For gambling markets in sport, the accuracy of those predictions has been researched extensively, with the conclusion that the betting odds outperform any other mode of prediction.

So, posting the odds is like posting some guy's opinion on what's going to happen in the Tour, only more likely to be correct.

 

[ray j willings]

Deserved win for the "egg faced git wizard" But not convincing and TJ danced all over his a%% on 1 stage.
You can only beat who you are racing against.
Nibs did not come to race. Purito is going backwards. Froomes only threat was TJ and the fact he made hard work of that and was definitely spent on a couple of stages does not bode well for the tour.

Bertie had much tougher climbing competition in the Giro and he won in 2nd gear.

I doubt Froome will podium at the tour.
What's happened to Roach ,,,he looks awful.

 

[BlurryVII]

Re: Re:

Strong performance. Pending a very strong showing from Quintana or Contador, he's the favourite for the Tour with the markets.

Do you think anyone cares about the betting markets, besides you of course?

Though this is just passive aggressively saying I should stop posting, I'm going to explain why the odds should be interesting to anyone who cares about prediction in case someone's wondering.

In brief, it's the same reason the media keep mentioning how the financial markets react to any news concerning the Grexit, or why credit default swaps are looked at to asses the probability of default. Market prices resulting from ivestors trading assets that pay out when an event happens can be seen as the probability that event is going to happen. For gambling markets in sport, the accuracy of those predictions has been researched extensively, with the conclusion that the betting odds outperform any other mode of prediction.

So, posting the odds is like posting some guy's opinion on what's going to happen in the Tour, only more likely to be correct.

The markets just react stupidly to results, I mean Froome won the Dauphiné against minor opposition and he becomes the new favorite, fair enough but that doesn't make it more likely.

Just like markets think Contador will fade at the Tour because he raced the Giro, again fair enough but that's what many cycling fans already believe.

I'm just saying that I don't see anything relevant, or special about their predictions. It's just basic changes in odds following results and basic conclusions everyone can make.

I'm genuinely interested to know their odds about Nibali before last year's Tour, because I'm pretty sure they were completely wrong.

 

[Taxus4a]

He is the best, no more.

He is predictable, but he has a crazy amazing way to concentrate and optimize his effort and go ahead when he feels dead.

He is like in the limit all the last climb.

He need to optimaze not just his performance, but his result by using the best strategy every day.

 

[BigMac]

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He is the best, no more.

He is predictable, but he has a crazy amazing way to concentrate and optimize his effort and go ahead when he feels dead.

He is like in the limit all the last climb.

He need to optimaze not just his performance, but his result by using the best strategy every day.

If Froome looked to be in his limit on the last climb, then guys like Tejay and Costa looked to have taken a trip to hell and back.

 

[DBotero]

Another hard day for the natural,smooth looking climbers,the rouleur beat them again.

 

[TMP402]

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He is the best, no more.

He is predictable, but he has a crazy amazing way to concentrate and optimize his effort and go ahead when he feels dead.

He is like in the limit all the last climb.

He need to optimaze not just his performance, but his result by using the best strategy every day.

I feel like I'm reading Alain de Botton's tweets.

 

[Ataraxus]

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Strong performance. Pending a very strong showing from Quintana or Contador, he's the favourite for the Tour with the markets.

Do you think anyone cares about the betting markets, besides you of course?

Though this is just passive aggressively saying I should stop posting, I'm going to explain why the odds should be interesting to anyone who cares about prediction in case someone's wondering.

In brief, it's the same reason the media keep mentioning how the financial markets react to any news concerning the Grexit, or why credit default swaps are looked at to asses the probability of default. Market prices resulting from ivestors trading assets that pay out when an event happens can be seen as the probability that event is going to happen. For gambling markets in sport, the accuracy of those predictions has been researched extensively, with the conclusion that the betting odds outperform any other mode of prediction.

So, posting the odds is like posting some guy's opinion on what's going to happen in the Tour, only more likely to be correct.

The markets just react stupidly to results, I mean Froome won the Dauphiné against minor opposition and he becomes the new favorite, fair enough but that doesn't make it more likely.

Just like markets think Contador will fade at the Tour because he raced the Giro, again fair enough but that's what many cycling fans already believe.

I'm just saying that I don't see anything relevant, or special about their predictions. It's just basic changes in odds following results and basic conclusions everyone can make.

I'm genuinely interested to know their odds about Nibali before last year's Tour, because I'm pretty sure they were completely wrong.

This basically.
But the bookmaker odds are still wayyy more likely to be correct than the calculated average of "bookmaker" odds in the "Predict the Top 5 GC in Tour de France" thread

 

[Taxus4a]

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He is the best, no more.

He is predictable, but he has a crazy amazing way to concentrate and optimize his effort and go ahead when he feels dead.

He is like in the limit all the last climb.

He need to optimaze not just his performance, but his result by using the best strategy every day.

If Froome looked to be in his limit on the last climb, then guys like Tejay and Costa looked to have taken a trip to hell and back.

When Valverde was caught he looked the people, especially Nibali and Scarponi they were riding normal, Froome was just concentrated in himself and his effort, moving body, puting head up and down, it is like if he can put his body to the limit for long time, in fact sometimes he drop of his team train, or have a bad moment if someone attacks early. But with more and more Km in this way, nobody can follow him at the end.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Deserved win for the "egg faced git wizard" But not convincing and TJ danced all over his a%% on 1 stage.
You can only beat who you are racing against.
Nibs did not come to race. Purito is going backwards. Froomes only threat was TJ and the fact he made hard work of that and was definitely spent on a couple of stages does not bode well for the tour.

Bertie had much tougher climbing competition in the Giro and he won in 2nd gear.

I doubt Froome will podium at the tour.
What's happened to Roach ,,,he looks awful.

It is not bad for a training test race, dont you think?

Nibali and Scarponi wanted the stage today, and they couldnt, the same for the rest: Purito, Bardet, Dan Martin,...

Froome was great, dont see this is not objetive.

 

[blackmamba]

Good for froome and sky to get a win since come tdf a podium seems a bit out of the reach. And also i agree he didnt impressed anyone with barely beating TVG in the mountains

 

[Gloin22]

Great read about Froome's looking down at stem...is it a tick or marginal gains?

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/610094341219069953/photo/1

 

[ray j willings]

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Deserved win for the "egg faced git wizard" But not convincing and TJ danced all over his a%% on 1 stage.
You can only beat who you are racing against.
Nibs did not come to race. Purito is going backwards. Froomes only threat was TJ and the fact he made hard work of that and was definitely spent on a couple of stages does not bode well for the tour.

Bertie had much tougher climbing competition in the Giro and he won in 2nd gear.

I doubt Froome will podium at the tour.
What's happened to Roach ,,,he looks awful.

It is not bad for a training test race, dont you think?

Nibali and Scarponi wanted the stage today, and they couldnt, the same for the rest: Purito, Bardet, Dan Martin,...

Froome was great, dont see this is not objetive.

Froome was very good. He took care of business. But IMO not consistent enough over the week.
Its still a few weeks to the tour so he can fine tune

 

[argyllflyer]

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Good for froome and sky to get a win since come tdf a podium seems a bit out of the reach. And also i agree he didnt impressed anyone with barely beating TVG in the mountains

He put 17 seconds into him in little over 2km and a little more yesterday over a similar distance. Did you expect TJ to get off and walk once Froome got away?

Honestly, the complete lack of objectivity on here is amusing. I seem to recall Froome beating everyone's favourite carnivore in the spring as well.

 

[blackmamba]

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Good for froome and sky to get a win since come tdf a podium seems a bit out of the reach. And also i agree he didnt impressed anyone with barely beating TVG in the mountains

He put 17 seconds into him in little over 2km and a little more yesterday over a similar distance. Did you expect TJ to get off and walk once Froome got away?

Honestly, the complete lack of objectivity on here is amusing. I seem to recall Froome beating everyone's favourite carnivore in the spring as well.

Cant wait for TDF to start so the sky/froome fanboys gonne get as surprised as they do everytime.(dunno if its amusing or alarming at this point? ) Might wanne start to calm down a bit, froome has 1 GT win and sky as a team in their entire existence has 2!!!! everyone's favourite as you mention might win that amount in 1 YEAR so take a walk homie maby its time to put the finger in the ground and take a reality check

Hence why I said this was a good win for Froome who hasnt won anything of matter in 2 years but as youve said it its obvious complete lack of objectiv.......

 

[Taxus4a]

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Deserved win for the "egg faced git wizard" But not convincing and TJ danced all over his a%% on 1 stage.
You can only beat who you are racing against.
Nibs did not come to race. Purito is going backwards. Froomes only threat was TJ and the fact he made hard work of that and was definitely spent on a couple of stages does not bode well for the tour.

Bertie had much tougher climbing competition in the Giro and he won in 2nd gear.

I doubt Froome will podium at the tour.
What's happened to Roach ,,,he looks awful.

It is not bad for a training test race, dont you think?

Nibali and Scarponi wanted the stage today, and they couldnt, the same for the rest: Purito, Bardet, Dan Martin,...

Froome was great, dont see this is not objetive.

Froome was very good. He took care of business. But IMO not consistent enough over the week.
Its still a few weeks to the tour so he can fine tune

He was in enough shape to win this race, and I am sure he will be in the shape to win le Tour, other way is if there is another rider stronger.

 

[Fernandez]

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This guy is the ugliest thing you can find up on a bycicle.

A wild guess, you are spanish and a Contador fan?

Its not a matter of being spanish or Contador fan (Im more of a Valverde and Purito fan), its just an objective fact. The man is a mess on a bike. I dont find him likeable in any way. I feel the same with Dan Martin for example. The man is such an ugly vision on a bike.

 

[blackmamba]

He is not only ugly on the bike he is also one of the worst bike handlers in the entier peleton (chill fan boys its simply a fact nothing else)

 

[Guybrush]

A great overall performance by Froome. He should give a go at the nationals, but no attemps since 2011, right?

 

[Pricey_sky]

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He is not only ugly on the bike he is also one of the worst bike handlers in the entier peleton (chill fan boys its simply a fact nothing else)

I completely agree, which makes it even better when he wins!

 

[ray j willings]

I do think that Froome comes close to actually getting airborne

 

[Angliru]

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Deserved win for the "egg faced git wizard" But not convincing and TJ danced all over his a%% on 1 stage.
You can only beat who you are racing against.
Nibs did not come to race. Purito is going backwards. Froomes only threat was TJ and the fact he made hard work of that and was definitely spent on a couple of stages does not bode well for the tour.

Bertie had much tougher climbing competition in the Giro and he won in 2nd gear.

I doubt Froome will podium at the tour.
What's happened to Roach ,,,he looks awful.

It is not bad for a training test race, dont you think?

Nibali and Scarponi wanted the stage today, and they couldnt, the same for the rest: Purito, Bardet, Dan Martin,...

Froome was great, dont see this is not objetive.

If Nibali wanted to win the stage for himself he wouldn't have been spent so much time with his nose in the wind.

 

[qwerty16]

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Great read about Froome's looking down at stem...is it a tick or marginal gains?

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/610094341219069953/photo/1

Interesting. This week I noted his roommate Poels doing it too.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Great read about Froome's looking down at stem...is it a tick or marginal gains?

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/610094341219069953/photo/1

I tried this out a few weeks ago, it left me breathless

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Deserved win for the "egg faced git wizard" But not convincing and TJ danced all over his a%% on 1 stage.
You can only beat who you are racing against.
Nibs did not come to race. Purito is going backwards. Froomes only threat was TJ and the fact he made hard work of that and was definitely spent on a couple of stages does not bode well for the tour.

Bertie had much tougher climbing competition in the Giro and he won in 2nd gear.

I doubt Froome will podium at the tour.
What's happened to Roach ,,,he looks awful.

It is not bad for a training test race, dont you think?

Nibali and Scarponi wanted the stage today, and they couldnt, the same for the rest: Purito, Bardet, Dan Martin,...

Froome was great, dont see this is not objetive.

If Nibali wanted to win the stage for himself he wouldn't have been spent so much time with his nose in the wind.

It is obvious I meant wanted the stage for Scarponi... But Nibali worked for that seriously...
tejay had here a very hight level.. it is not the first time for him.. he use to show big level sometime.. and he did as well once in le Tour.