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That's where he will have to team up with Nibali who also will no doubt look to gain time wherever possible, and probably will as he has the skill. Froome's a great climber and TTer but doesn't have the skill that only Nibali and AC really possess among the current riders. Bardet actually possesses it as well. And for that reason he will lose time in the stages to Pra-Loup, Cauterets and stage 18, and also any stages where Astana will blow the race open. He doesn't have a mind of a racer. This might come down to the fact he had never really watched a cycling race until he was 16, and didn't know what a mountain pass was until he was 18.
ILovecycling said:BlurryVII said:ILovecycling said:
Oh, because you know the ultimate truth, right?
I've never posted and I don't have any predictions for the Tour, because I don't know what will be the form of certain riders. All I'm saying is that if AC is in great form, he wins the Tour. And yes, Quintana is not dropping him in that kind of form. More like the opposite.
Because Im not freakin blind, that little guy is a special climber (with willpower of Froome or Contador) and if you dont see it then its so ridiculous like you saying AC is in form.Like WTF?How the .... is he in form?
Of course I would like to see that, but I dont believe it at all, he won't hit a peak form with Giro in his legs imo that would be crazy.I think he can win the Tour but aka The Great One style.That means with great tactics + team + panache, not with better climbing than Quintana or Froome.
That's where he will have to team up with Nibali who also will no doubt look to gain time wherever possible, and probably will as he has the skill. Froome's a great climber and TTer but doesn't have the skill that only Nibali and AC really possess among the current riders. Bardet actually possesses it as well. And for that reason he will lose time in the stages to Pra-Loup, Cauterets and stage 18, and also any stages where Astana will blow the race open. He doesn't have a mind of a racer. This might come down to the fact he had never really watched a cycling race until he was 16, and didn't know what a mountain pass was until he was 18.
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That's the well known no True Scotsman fallacy, and sadly, I've seen posters fall prey to it in this very forum. What, my favourite rider is dropped at the Tour? Well he can't have been in great form then, because if he's in great form, he'd win the Tour. That dogmatic mindset obviously makes it impossible to infer his peak form from what actually happens on he road.
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That's the well known no True Scotsman fallacy, and sadly, I've seen posters fall prey to it in this very forum. What, my favourite rider is dropped at the Tour? Well he can't have been in great form then, because if he's in great form, he'd win the Tour. That dogmatic mindset obviously makes it impossible to infer his peak form from what actually happens on he road.
probably really aches for other riders fans to observe how this ugly untalented disastrously lacking all the main racing qualities but sheer power guy beats the recognized masters. that can drive crazy. properly speaking the thread dedicated to one of the greatest riders here and now looks like a million and one reasons why one doesn't want to see froome at the top
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He hasn't though . He won the tour "13" Had no real competition .
Last year Bertie easily defeated him in the vuelta and also he got defeated in the dauphine. Again Bertie had no problem dispatching him out the back.
This year Bertie already beat him in TT and dropped from nearly 10k and eased up at the finish
He has already had his as% handed to him by TJ at the dauphine .
So where are all these great Victory's were he has defeated all the greatest riders ?
1 tour that he won't win no more. The GT dream of the egg faced git wizard is done.
dacooley said:
He hasn't though . He won the tour "13" Had no real competition .
Last year Bertie easily defeated him in the vuelta and also he got defeated in the dauphine. Again Bertie had no problem dispatching him out the back.
This year Bertie already beat him in TT and dropped from nearly 10k and eased up at the finish
He has already had his as% handed to him by TJ at the dauphine .
So where are all these great Victory's were he has defeated all the greatest riders ?
1 tour that he won't win no more. The GT dream of the egg faced git wizard is done.
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Wasn't his initial plan to win 7 Tours in a row? That sure didn't work out too well, but the over/under of how many more GTs he's going to win is definitely greater than 1. If you think it's less, we should have some inconsequential wager
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Froome did a mistake in the ITT, so started too strong, he needed to stop and later he put again time on Contador.
But he did a worse ITT, so he needed to drop Contador, and that is not easy becouse contador has a bif aceleration and once he is on yourt wheel you need to be much more stronger than Him,Froome showed he wanst much more stronger, just similar in the climbs, but he managed to drop contador twice, so it was a difficult victory by contador, dont change reality, if you are in the flat zone of ancares at the wheel of Froome you are not superior if you put 15 second in tha last Km. if you dont think so, you must study phisics.
Froome was similar strong to Contador in past Vuelta, IMO stronger but he did mistakes and he didnt use the team properly...but contador prepared that Vuelta as the last race in the world, as the only possibility to beat Froome in a Grand Tour, and for Froome it was just a training for this year (in the previous 2 month he just did 3 days in a race, for 8 by Contador, although he wanted, of course, to win, and he was close to drop Contador at the middle of ancares and win the race. He couldt by a litlle, so contador was at his wheel later in the flat part and he rest enought to attack at the end. No more. Other thing is not to be objetive.
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Froome did a mistake in the ITT, so started too strong, he needed to stop and later he put again time on Contador.
But he did a worse ITT, so he needed to drop Contador, and that is not easy becouse contador has a bif aceleration and once he is on yourt wheel you need to be much more stronger than Him,Froome showed he wanst much more stronger, just similar in the climbs, but he managed to drop contador twice, so it was a difficult victory by contador, dont change reality, if you are in the flat zone of ancares at the wheel of Froome you are not superior if you put 15 second in tha last Km. if you dont think so, you must study phisics.
Froome was similar strong to Contador in past Vuelta, IMO stronger but he did mistakes and he didnt use the team properly...but contador prepared that Vuelta as the last race in the world, as the only possibility to beat Froome in a Grand Tour, and for Froome it was just a training for this year (in the previous 2 month he just did 3 days in a race, for 8 by Contador, although he wanted, of course, to win, and he was close to drop Contador at the middle of ancares and win the race. He couldt by a litlle, so contador was at his wheel later in the flat part and he rest enought to attack at the end. No more. Other thing is not to be objetive.
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Yeah, Froome didn't want to win that Vuelta at all, and Contador wanted it so badly, is that what you're saying!? Do you sometimes read your f.....g posts, cause they are insane! Froome ride it for training!!! Look at Catalunya this year, that was Froome's training! Did Landa trained at the Giro too? Or Contador simply just wanted that one more desperately, or combination of both?
Taxus4a said:ray j willings said:
Froome did a mistake in the ITT, so started too strong, he needed to stop and later he put again time on Contador.
But he did a worse ITT, so he needed to drop Contador, and that is not easy becouse contador has a bif aceleration and once he is on yourt wheel you need to be much more stronger than Him,Froome showed he wanst much more stronger, just similar in the climbs, but he managed to drop contador twice, so it was a difficult victory by contador, dont change reality, if you are in the flat zone of ancares at the wheel of Froome you are not superior if you put 15 second in tha last Km. if you dont think so, you must study phisics.
Froome was similar strong to Contador in past Vuelta, IMO stronger but he did mistakes and he didnt use the team properly...but contador prepared that Vuelta as the last race in the world, as the only possibility to beat Froome in a Grand Tour, and for Froome it was just a training for this year (in the previous 2 month he just did 3 days in a race, for 8 by Contador, although he wanted, of course, to win, and he was close to drop Contador at the middle of ancares and win the race. He couldt by a litlle, so contador was at his wheel later in the flat part and he rest enought to attack at the end. No more. Other thing is not to be objetive.
Yeah, Froome didn't want to win that Vuelta at all, and Contador wanted it so badly, is that what you're saying!? Do you sometimes read your f.....g posts, cause they are insane! Froome ride it for training!!! Look at Catalunya this year, that was Froome's training! Did Landa trained at the Giro too? Or Contador simply just wanted that one more desperately, or combination of both?
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Climbing is always about power and weight, whether you use measures of those quantities to structure training or not. Everyone's subject to the laws of physics. Intuitive, skillful riders will be able to do X km at y% gradient a minute faster only if they can sustain greater w/kg for a prolonged period of time and that's pretty much all there is to it.
Now, winning GTs is of course about more than sustainable power. Racing instinct, tactics, composure and so on play a great role, as Contador has shown on more than one occasion. But in a discussion about peak climbing ability, those characteristics are irrelevant.
Sky's training methods aren't new, they aren't unique, they aren't better, they aren't something other teams caught up with and they aren't why Froome is climbing as well as he does. It's especially and obviously wrong to think all that's needed is to climb at X w/kg is knowing that's what it takes and training hard because the body will adjust. Why isn't everyone who's training hard and who knows the numbers capable of climbing with the best (hence getting a huge paycheck)? Because they don't have the talent (which for the purpose of this discussion, we can define as all the non-training factors that determine performance). Froome does.
jilbiker said:
Climbing is always about power and weight, whether you use measures of those quantities to structure training or not. Everyone's subject to the laws of physics. Intuitive, skillful riders will be able to do X km at y% gradient a minute faster only if they can sustain greater w/kg for a prolonged period of time and that's pretty much all there is to it.
Now, winning GTs is of course about more than sustainable power. Racing instinct, tactics, composure and so on play a great role, as Contador has shown on more than one occasion. But in a discussion about peak climbing ability, those characteristics are irrelevant.
Sky's training methods aren't new, they aren't unique, they aren't better, they aren't something other teams caught up with and they aren't why Froome is climbing as well as he does. It's especially and obviously wrong to think all that's needed is to climb at X w/kg is knowing that's what it takes and training hard because the body will adjust. Why isn't everyone who's training hard and who knows the numbers capable of climbing with the best (hence getting a huge paycheck)? Because they don't have the talent (which for the purpose of this discussion, we can define as all the non-training factors that determine performance). Froome does.
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You do realize this post is full of nonsense, lies, and speculation right?....
Taxus4a said:ray j willings said:
Froome did a mistake in the ITT, so started too strong, he needed to stop and later he put again time on Contador.
But he did a worse ITT, so he needed to drop Contador, and that is not easy becouse contador has a bif aceleration and once he is on yourt wheel you need to be much more stronger than Him,Froome showed he wanst much more stronger, just similar in the climbs, but he managed to drop contador twice, so it was a difficult victory by contador, dont change reality, if you are in the flat zone of ancares at the wheel of Froome you are not superior if you put 15 second in tha last Km. if you dont think so, you must study phisics.
Froome was similar strong to Contador in past Vuelta, IMO stronger but he did mistakes and he didnt use the team properly...but contador prepared that Vuelta as the last race in the world, as the only possibility to beat Froome in a Grand Tour, and for Froome it was just a training for this year (in the previous 2 month he just did 3 days in a race, for 8 by Contador, although he wanted, of course, to win, and he was close to drop Contador at the middle of ancares and win the race. He couldt by a litlle, so contador was at his wheel later in the flat part and he rest enought to attack at the end. No more. Other thing is not to be objetive.
You do realize this post is full of nonsense, lies, and speculation right?....
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what are you talking about? he could barely distance himself from van garderen (tour favorite in your book?). you will see this tour like last year he's done for.argyllflyer said:
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He's not my favourite but if he doesn't crash then he'll make it to the top3 for sure. This year with few kms of TT it will be difficult for him to win but no one can deny that he's a formidable climber anyway.
Ryo Hazuki said:what are you talking about? he could barely distance himself from van garderen (tour favorite in your book?). you will see this tour like last year he's done for.argyllflyer said:
He's not my favourite but if he doesn't crash then he'll make it to the top3 for sure. This year with few kms of TT it will be difficult for him to win but no one can deny that he's a formidable climber anyway.
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Strong performance. Pending a very strong showing from Quintana or Contador, he's the favourite for the Tour with the markets.
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says you but the betting sites say otherwise. so either you know it better and stand to make a lot of money or not. guess which one it isSeriousSam said:
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No, that's what the betting sites sayRyo Hazuki said:says you but the betting sites say otherwise. so either you know it better and stand to make a lot of money or not. guess which one it isSeriousSam said:
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Do you think anyone cares about the betting markets, besides you of course?SeriousSam said:
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