Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Matteo.]

What a pity. Today he's cooked...looks like Purito on Fuente de.

 

[Scarponi]

Guess which domestiques won't be making the tdf roster for years to come

 

[JRanton]

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Guess which domestiques won't be making the tdf roster for years to come

Yup, they had to put in a big effort yesterday largely because they somehow managed to allow Moreno and two Movistar riders to go up the road. Everything leads back to that error and Froome not marking Quintana at the start today. Quintana was obviously stronger than Froome today but in a 'normal' stage he probably wouldn't have lost any time.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Brave ride but he wasn't paying attention and it cost him.

 

[sir fly]

There's an opportunity already tomorrow, but it requires favourable conditions and Movi off guard.
It's a tall order, now.

 

[Miburo]

Contador sends his regards

 

[deValtos]

Are there any good stages left for Froome to do something?

 

[Poursuivant]

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Are there any good stages left for Froome to do something?

He doesn't have the legs anyway. Quintana is unassailable in my opinion.

 

[damian13ster]

He doesn't have the legs. As simple as that. No matter the tactics, he wouldnt win this Vuelta. Most likely will still place 2nd so in the end pretty much nothing changed today (other than the outcome being known couple of days earlier). Made for a nice viewing though

 

[deValtos]

I suspect then he will have to get his payback in 2017 TDF. But here a podium would be a nice result, he has some days to recover, this could help him a lot.

 

[DBotero]

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Are there any good stages left for Froome to do something?

Not even Froome in his best shape won't be enough to recover this gap as Quintana is flying at the moment.Hopefully he'll be able to hold on his 2nd place.

 

[Jagartrott]

I don't like him, and today only reinforced that.
Was extremely lucky some team managers wanted to defend an 8th place or whatever.

This will be the 3rd time he fails to win the Vuelta through no fault of his own despite being the strongest or one of the strongests.

Seriously? Erm...

 

[Scarponi]

Re: Re:

Guess which domestiques won't be making the tdf roster for years to come

Yup, they had to put in a big effort yesterday largely because they somehow managed to allow Moreno and two Movistar riders to go up the road. Everything leads back to that error and Froome not marking Quintana at the start today. Quintana was obviously stronger than Froome today but in a 'normal' stage he probably wouldn't have lost any time.

That's the thing they could have put Konig in there (providing he could) but winning with another rider is worse then losing all together for this team

 

[Pantani Attacks]

You might dislike what I have posted but it's 100% truth. Froome is tactically inept and without his lackies he is a above average GC contender at best. Even a triple GT cooked Valverde who bonked hard yesterday finished ahead of him today.

 

[Red Rick]

Keep it friendly please. If you want to have a go at each other, go somewhere far, far away

 

[damian13ster]

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You might dislike what I have posted but it's 100% truth. Froome is tactically inept and without his lackies he is a above average GC contender at best. Even a triple GT cooked Valverde who bonked hard yesterday finished ahead of him today.

Still 2nd in GC without a team at all in Vuelta after winning a Tour and medaling in Rio. Name me one GC rider better than him

 

[mufana]

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You might dislike what I have posted but it's 100% truth. Froome is tactically inept and without his lackies he is a above average GC contender at best. Even a triple GT cooked Valverde who bonked hard yesterday finished ahead of him today.

Still 2nd in GC without a team at all in Vuelta after winning a Tour and medaling in Rio. Name me one GC rider better than him

Well Valverde seems to do ok in his 3th GT his year. So, that's one. Of course he didn't win the Tour or a medal in Rio but still... 3 GT in a row at his age.

I do agree at some level with Pantani attacks. Froome relies heavily on his team for support and bring take the GT win for him. SKY relies on them, considering all those youtube vids they posted with the mini Froome, G and Stannerd. (sacrifice yourself for the greater good). Without his team he would be a good rider. No doubt. But still good enough to win GT's? He needs the strenght of his team to keep him 'fresh' and able to attack in the last K's.

You gotta admit, when it comes to tactics he's no match for riders like Contador. No matter how good or bad a rider like Contador is, he's always a serious threat.

 

[deValtos]

Every rider screws up now and again. Its also much easier to screw up when you're not feeling that good.

I think the Sagan and descent stages in the TDF show Froome can take the initiative by himself and both payed of well for him. There was also that stage back in 2013 where he was totally isolated. Difference there was he was much stronger.

His main fault today was not being attentive from the very start (though maybe he was already struggling then.) I think his tactics in the final looked odd at first but when you saw his lack of strength it makes sense, no way could he have started pulling in the vally, he'd be 10 minutes down by now.

 

[roundabout]

Contador has made plenty of wrong decisions in this Vuelta alone and yet some people are still beating the drum of his alleged tactical superiority.

And without Rovny and Trofimov being unbelievably strong today his attack would have likely gone nowhere.

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

You might dislike what I have posted but it's 100% truth. Froome is tactically inept and without his lackies he is a above average GC contender at best. Even a triple GT cooked Valverde who bonked hard yesterday finished ahead of him today.

Still 2nd in GC without a team at all in Vuelta after winning a Tour and medaling in Rio. Name me one GC rider better than him

Well Valverde seems to do ok in his 3th GT his year. So, that's one. Of course he didn't win the Tour or a medal in Rio but still... 3 GT in a row at his age.

I do agree at some level with Pantani attacks. Froome relies heavily on his team for support and bring take the GT win for him. SKY relies on them, considering all those youtube vids they posted with the mini Froome, G and Stannerd. (sacrifice yourself for the greater good). Without his team he would be a good rider. No doubt. But still good enough to win GT's? He needs the strenght of his team to keep him 'fresh' and able to attack in the last K's.

You gotta admit, when it comes to tactics he's no match for riders like Contador. No matter how good or bad a rider like Contador is, he's always a serious threat.

Froome just plays to his strengths as do Sky, they both ballsd it up today. Name me one GT contender who would win a GT without a half decent team ? Quintana, mmm how many of his team were with him today in the break, same goes for Contador and as Valverde said he decided cut for break by his tactics and disrupted the chase. Seems like a lot of team work to me. Pantani_attacks just hates Froome and likes to post abuse about him, I am beginning to think he is Wiggins :lol:

 

[Miburo]

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Contador has made plenty of wrong decisions in this Vuelta alone and yet some people are still beating the drum of his alleged tactical superiority.

And without Rovny and Trofimov being unbelievably strong today his attack would have likely gone nowhere.

What about the astana riding for no reason variable? Surely that's not normal eh mate?

Pretty sure rovny and trofi being beasts was an enormous factor but if astana didn't ride which would be the normal standard, then even a standar rovny and trofi was more than enough

 

[mufana]

Re: Re:

You might dislike what I have posted but it's 100% truth. Froome is tactically inept and without his lackies he is a above average GC contender at best. Even a triple GT cooked Valverde who bonked hard yesterday finished ahead of him today.

Still 2nd in GC without a team at all in Vuelta after winning a Tour and medaling in Rio. Name me one GC rider better than him

Well Valverde seems to do ok in his 3th GT his year. So, that's one. Of course he didn't win the Tour or a medal in Rio but still... 3 GT in a row at his age.

I do agree at some level with Pantani attacks. Froome relies heavily on his team for support and bring take the GT win for him. SKY relies on them, considering all those youtube vids they posted with the mini Froome, G and Stannerd. (sacrifice yourself for the greater good). Without his team he would be a good rider. No doubt. But still good enough to win GT's? He needs the strenght of his team to keep him 'fresh' and able to attack in the last K's.

You gotta admit, when it comes to tactics he's no match for riders like Contador. No matter how good or bad a rider like Contador is, he's always a serious threat.

Froome just plays to his strengths as do Sky, they both ballsd it up today. Name me one GT contender who would win a GT without a half decent team ? Quintana, mmm how many of his team were with him today in the break, same goes for Contador and as Valverde said he decided cut for break by his tactics and disrupted the chase. Seems like a lot of team work to me. Pantani_attacks just hates Froome and likes to post abuse about him, I am beginning to think he is Wiggins :lol:

Well... I don't want to play the 'Froome/Contador' card for the 100.00000000th time. But, he is one rider who won GT's without a decent team. Look at the Giro last year. Certainly in mountain stages, Sky is always there with at least 4 guys. Whereas other team typically have 1 or 2 guys.

 

[JRanton]

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Contador has made plenty of wrong decisions in this Vuelta alone and yet some people are still beating the drum of his alleged tactical superiority.

And without Rovny and Trofimov being unbelievably strong today his attack would have likely gone nowhere.

What about the astana riding for no reason variable? Surely that's not normal eh mate?

Pretty sure rovny and trofi being beasts was an enormous factor but if astana didn't ride which would be the normal standard, then even a standar rovny and trofi was more than enough

What was wrong with Astana riding? They are riding for Scarponi's GC place. A perfectly normal tactic considering they were the only team with numbers to help.

 

[jsem94]

Protecting a ninth place. What a joke.

 

[Miburo]

Re: Re:

Contador has made plenty of wrong decisions in this Vuelta alone and yet some people are still beating the drum of his alleged tactical superiority.

And without Rovny and Trofimov being unbelievably strong today his attack would have likely gone nowhere.

What about the astana riding for no reason variable? Surely that's not normal eh mate?

Pretty sure rovny and trofi being beasts was an enormous factor but if astana didn't ride which would be the normal standard, then even a standar rovny and trofi was more than enough

What was wrong with Astana riding? They are riding for Scarponi's GC place. A perfectly normal tactic considering they were the only team with numbers to help.

If you wrote that with a straight face, then good on you, very impressive