Cleaner peloton?

[The Hitch]

No, I like Niemec and have always thought that he should have gone to a bigger team sooner than he did.

My point is that Scarponi was rather underwhelming on the climbs in the Giro even if his final position was very good.

It's probably a bit naughty of me to use the client line on Niemec, but the point remains. He was a better climber than Scarponi in the Giro.

Well Scarponi was probably being saved for that final week that never was.

 

[peterst6906]

the picture was meant to show how 'fat' he still was at Rabo...

... explaining how Mollema has recently discovered the benefits of eating KENIAN BREAD: it increases the circulation of red bloodcells and additionally makes you feel less hungry.
I'm not kidding you.

I'm sure many of the riders have their strange habits and superstitions they think help because they read it in a magazine or online; and I agree that one is a bit weird (but so is a lot of the 'research' or conclusions from research that is used in nutritional marketing).

In any case, I would dare anyone to find a photo of a cyclist pumping out these distances and eating a controlled diet who is anything other than very lean:

http://app.strava.com/pros/186522

The locations of his training may be suspicious in some cases, but not his size.

 

[blackcat]

the picture was meant to show how 'fat' he still was at Rabo...

Dutch female cyclist Marijn De Vries (befriend with both Mollema & Ten Dam) now on Dutch television explaining how Mollema has recently discovered the benefits of eating KENIAN BREAD: it increases the circulation of red bloodcells and additionally makes you feel less hungry.
I'm not kidding you.

hehehe
double laughs
to the power of lulz

 

[taiwan]

There was one photo in the cn coverage where ten dam looked extra skinny, went looking for old photos to compare.

Larger.

 

[sniper]

Umm, it was a sprint. And Fuglsang is hardly the best rider out there.

you know the drill, Hitch. You have to come up with some rock solid data to justify the assumption that anybody other than Lemond would be capable of winning mountain stages and classics on bread and water.
It's not impossible, but in the absence of evidence, you'd have to agree that the scenario in which Martin is a plain ol' juicer is the most likely one.

 

[The Hitch]

you know the drill, Hitch. You have to come up with some rock solid data to justify the assumption that anybody other than Lemond would be capable of winning mountain stages and classics on bread and water.
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If i wanted to make a sarcastic post, mocking the ideology of the more extreme fringes of the clinic, this, word for word would be it.

Its ridiculous to say that everyone who wins a stage is a doper until proven otherwise. Moncoutie won plenty of stages.

 

[SaxonUK]

Its ridiculous to say that everyone who wins a stage is a doper until proven otherwise. Moncoutie won plenty of stages.

It's pretty ridiculous but it happens every stage of a GT. You cant win any stage without the Clinic shouting about how the person is a doper and putting together elaborate stories about how they know they are doping.

Martin has been largely absent from any action so far in the Tour and I'm not surprised his kick off the front of the group ended with a stage win, he's a solid rider. Unfortunately, believing a rider isn't a doper isn't good enough, especially on here.

 

[Benotti69]

It's pretty ridiculous but it happens every stage of a GT. You cant win any stage without the Clinic shouting about how the person is a doper and putting together elaborate stories about how they know they are doping.

Martin has been largely absent from any action so far in the Tour and I'm not surprised his kick off the front of the group ended with a stage win, he's a solid rider. Unfortunately, believing a rider isn't a doper isn't good enough, especially on here.

Unfortunately believing those who win in this sport are clean takes a lot of believing.

We are being asked to believe after every scandal that things have changed, have moved on, those times are gone, the testing is better, the riders are different, yadayada

But when we examine the sport closely, we see the same personel, doctors, ds, soigneurs, federation people and they all same things are different now without showing us how.

If you have a problem reading the clinic and pointing at winning performances, ask yourself this, if the sport was clean would there be a need for the clinic?

That this part of the forum gets so much traffic, 12 posters i believe, speaks to how clean people feel the sport and the winning performances to be.

If they are wrong the sport has only itself to blame.

 

[D-Queued]

Science of Sport said 20-30 years is the time it should take for equipment to catch up to doping.

So times now can be the same as Hinault. They should not however match Armstrong.

Are we talking about the cycling equipment or the testing equipment?

If the cycling equipment, then I hear that some teams are experimenting with round wheels instead of square ones. Some believe that round is the new thing.

For anyone with any sort of 'Science (of Sport)' background, I hope you are quoting them out of context.

Forgive me for stating the obvious, but there are two fundamental opposing forces in cycling: air resistance and gravity.

Even without weight limits on bicycles, the bike ~10% of total weight and << 10% of drag.

So, even if you made weightless, dragless bicycles, you still couldn't possibly improve speed by the 10% or more that we have seen.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

..Unfortunately, believing a rider isn't a doper isn't good enough, especially on here.

do share with us the variables on which your believe is founded, so we can join in.
rest assured, we all want to believe.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Are we talking about the cycling equipment or the testing equipment?

If the cycling equipment, then I hear that some teams are experimenting with round wheels instead of square ones. Some believe that round is the new thing.

For anyone with any sort of 'Science (of Sport)' background, I hope you are quoting them out of context.

Forgive me for stating the obvious, but there are two fundamental opposing forces in cycling: air resistance and gravity.

Even without weight limits on bicycles, the bike ~10% of total weight and << 10% of drag.

So, even if you made weightless, dragless bicycles, you still couldn't possibly improve speed by the 10% or more that we have seen.

Dave.

What about the other 90%? As Boardman has shown last week you can improve resistance with different helmets, skin suits, position on the bike and even having a rider behind you.

 

[DirtyWorks]

But when we examine the sport closely, we see the same personel, doctors, ds, soigneurs, federation people and they all same things are different now without showing us how.

+1 Check out who is running the teams at the senior level: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1278624&postcount=1

The cleanest peloton ever crowd would have us believe that suddenly most senior management in cycling teams stopped doping at some undefined time to deliver the new, improved, cleanest peloton ever.

 

[DirtyWorks]

What about the other 90%? As Boardman has shown last week you can improve resistance with different helmets, skin suits, position on the bike and even having a rider behind you.

Fluid dynamics is a b!tch. Air resistance is logarithmic as one goes faster. Human power is very limited. And then there's the defying gravity problem of climbing hills. Shaving a little, and I mean little, here and there doesn't do what the UCI wants you to believe.

 

[pmcg76]

+1 Check out who is running the teams at the senior level: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1278624&postcount=1

The cleanest peloton ever crowd would have us believe that suddenly most senior management in cycling teams stopped doping at some undefined time to deliver the new, improved, cleanest peloton ever.

This is real simple, how many people on here would believe that Lfdjeux are running a full-on doping program and have been for the last decade?? FFS, even Hog believes in Pinot.

Were they running a full-scale doping program before Festina? Yes.

To take in another specter of life. In Northern Ireland, the politicians have been at each others throats for over 30 years and have been diametrically opposed for longer. Many of the Nationalist side were members of the IRA directly involved in killings, murder's and the running of a campaign of terror.

If you had said to anyone back in the 70s/80s that these guys would be sitting at the same table in a peaceful process having given up the guns etc, you would have been laughed out of the place as much as you guys laugh at the possibility of change now. Fact is change happens and very often it takes the people who seem the most unlikely to change to make those changes happen.

 

[lemoogle]

This is real simple, how many people on here would believe that Lfdjeux are running a full-on doping program and have been for the last decade?? FFS, even Hog believes in Pinot.

Nah FDJ are clearly doping, the French are all just lazy and have no work ethic and while froome was training this winter they were all sat around stuffing themselves with foie gras

Man if the French teams are doping they must be really really bad at it.

 

[buckle]

Martin may well be clean ...

I have a suspicion that Martin is clean and CP demanded one after the Saturday debacle.

 

[sniper]

Anybody know why Blanco were having their April training camp in Girona? Why not prepare for the Giro/Tdf in Italy or France?