Clinic Posters

[Thomsena]

Okay, so I got curious. Never been reading the clinic this much as I have lately for obvious reasons and I have until recently just ignored it basically. What I found odd was the number of users I've never seen before. If you take some out, check their lists of post some users have actually never posted in the general cycling forum. What.. What I don't get is.. why..? What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

 

[The Plediadian]

Okay, so I got curious. Never been reading the clinic this much as I have lately for obvious reasons and I have until recently just ignored it basically. What I found odd was the number of users I've never seen before. If you take some out, check their lists of post some users have actually never posted in the general cycling forum. What.. What I don't get is.. why..? What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

A lot of people care about doping more than cycling, not so hard to figure out.

 

[Escarabajo]

To increase performance in their lives.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

Okay, so I got curious. Never been reading the clinic this much as I have lately for obvious reasons and I have until recently just ignored it basically. What I found odd was the number of users I've never seen before. If you take some out, check their lists of post some users have actually never posted in the general cycling forum. What.. What I don't get is.. why..? What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

Do you consider Bodybuilding a sport? Since the early '90's cyclists have been building blood. Blood is not quite as obvious as muscles are, but building blood guarantees success in the "sport," all other things being equal.

 

[BigBoat]

Okay, so I got curious. Never been reading the clinic this much as I have lately for obvious reasons and I have until recently just ignored it basically. What I found odd was the number of users I've never seen before. If you take some out, check their lists of post some users have actually never posted in the general cycling forum. What.. What I don't get is.. why..? What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

I rarely post outside the clinic, but I still compete in the sport. (without dope)

I enjoy cycling, who doesn't?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Okay, so I got curious. Never been reading the clinic this much as I have lately for obvious reasons and I have until recently just ignored it basically. What I found odd was the number of users I've never seen before. If you take some out, check their lists of post some users have actually never posted in the general cycling forum. What.. What I don't get is.. why..? What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

To be fair, as you have not named anyone then it can be difficult to know who or why they post.

But as a general observation, some posters post almost exclusively on threads relating to particular riders and as this is The Clinic, they are usually defending them. Nothing wrong with that at all - but they may lurk in many threads put only post on a few.

 

[Race Radio]

I have to stand up for Polish here. He may only post in the clinic but I know he he likes the sport. We talk about it all the time on our Sunday rides

Now what about the weirdos that only post in the wheel building thread, what's up with that?

 

[AcademyCC]

Okay, so I got curious. Never been reading the clinic this much as I have lately for obvious reasons and I have until recently just ignored it basically. What I found odd was the number of users I've never seen before. If you take some out, check their lists of post some users have actually never posted in the general cycling forum. What.. What I don't get is.. why..? What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

I think what you'll find in general in the clinic is people that really do care about the sport and hate to see it spoiled by cheats. Its also a pretty interesting topic IMO not just in cycling but other sports as well.

 

[peterst6906]

If you want to discuss doping in the sport, this is the best place on the net, no matter how crazy it is.

But for general discussion and interest, there are other forums. Posting only here doesn't mean that posters aren't discussing cycling in general. They just aren't all doing it on CN.

 

[Porphyry]

It's hard to find an informed source of discussion about doping. It's not hard to find a group to enjoy discussing other aspects of the sport with.

 

[Race Radio]

If you want to discuss doping in the sport, this is the best place on the net, no matter how crazy it is.

But for general discussion and interest, there are other forums. Posting only here doesn't mean that posters aren't discussing cycling in general. They just aren't all doing it on CN.

True, I talk about a lot of other things on Twitter and on race day there are lots of places to follow the races and chat

 

[Thomsena]

So you are cycling-minded people after all. Happy to hear that.

 

[ElChingon]

I post in most of the cycling related sections and threads, but I also find it odd that most if not all the trolls are feed rather well by the clinic shutins. Yet those same feeders complain as if its the first its happened, guess its not just goldfish that have 30 seconds of memory. Then they post the same exact fact, sure paraphrasing themselves so its not the same exact words. All you have to read in the clinic is the first post and then the posts by the non-shutins and it cuts your reading down considerably. Then the quotes and requotes which make their posts unreadable. The muliti page pontifications, yawn... They still think there's a forum nobel prize coming their way.

Its still good, but we need a max post count per thread on the shutins or better yet a CN blog just for them, so we can ignore them all together here.

 

[BotanyBay]

Okay, so I got curious. Never been reading the clinic this much as I have lately for obvious reasons and I have until recently just ignored it basically. What I found odd was the number of users I've never seen before. If you take some out, check their lists of post some users have actually never posted in the general cycling forum. What.. What I don't get is.. why..? What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

When the actual sport returns, please, let me know. I'd love to discuss Paris-Nice, the classics and other fine events. When these events return to being fine. But right now, we have a doping problem to remedy. And it reaches the highest levels of the sport (unfortunately). I'm not a rebel. I'm a saboteur.

My background: I spent a lot of years racing. I met a lot of people. Formed a lot of impressions about many of the people who's names we see here in The Clinic. Many of them were people I've rubbed elbows with. I come from the day when Eddie B was a savior, we thought we'd chosen a sport that was the antithesis of the party/drug culture and people didn't die from trying to boost their performance by buying protein powder with amino acids.

-BotanyBay (I never post in the other forums)

 

[cprior]

What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

I only come here for The Clinic and once a year for the spectacle of the TdF threads.
"Doping in Cycling" is the most informative pro sports viewpoint -- for the inquiring sceptic.

This is an Olympic year. Only Clinic visitors can remotely 'appreciate' the performances.

Sports is something that I _do_. Never delegate to pro-jections. Outside the Clinic is projection-land.

People who abstain from the Clinic might also believe TV ads?

 

[AcademyCC]

I post in most of the cycling related sections and threads, but I also find it odd that most if not all the trolls are feed rather well by the clinic shutins. Yet those same feeders complain as if its the first its happened, guess its not just goldfish that have 30 seconds of memory. Then they post the same exact fact, sure paraphrasing themselves so its not the same exact words. All you have to read in the clinic is the first post and then the posts by the non-shutins and it cuts your reading down considerably. Then the quotes and requotes which make their posts unreadable. The muliti page pontifications, yawn... They still think there's a forum nobel prize coming their way.

Its still good, but we need a max post count per thread on the shutins or better yet a CN blog just for them, so we can ignore them all together here.

I'd love to be able to respond but your post makes about as much sense as tits on a fish.

 

[Escarabajo]

When the actual sport returns, please, let me know. I'd love to discuss Paris-Nice, the classics and other fine events. When these events return to being fine. But right now, we have a doping problem to remedy. And it reaches the highest levels of the sport (unfortunately). I'm not a rebel. I'm a saboteur.

My background: I spent a lot of years racing. I met a lot of people. Formed a lot of impressions about many of the people who's names we see here in The Clinic. Many of them were people I've rubbed elbows with. I come from the day when Eddie B was a savior, we thought we'd chosen a sport that was the antithesis of the party/drug culture and people didn't die from trying to boost their performance by buying protein powder with amino acids.

-BotanyBay (I never post in the other forums)

Botany Bay, Cycling always has been dirty, so that has not changed. The drugs have changed but the cheats have not.

In the 90's when it was getting out of control some people including the UCI had to put barriers to the level of doping or else. Then found a test for EPO, doping went down, performance went down a little and organized blood transfusion comes into the scene and everything is repeated again. Now we have the passport and similar barriers are put into the doping in the sport. And the cycle repeats itself. As for the past, the drugs did not affect so much the outcome of the game, and that's why we tend to ignore it but nothing else.

I bet you a dollar that you knew all this.

 

[armchairclimber]

I was quite shocked when I first visited this here clinic. I found what I expected in terms of chat about Armstrong, Pantani, Millar, Landis etc What I wasn't prepared for was the notion that anyone who was performing well "must" be doping.
Voeckler? Doping
Contador? Doping
Evans? Doping
Schleck? Doping
Wiggins? Doping
Cav? Doping

Even when not stated explicitly, there is the implication that there are no clean athletes in the peleton at all....from some posters. Even when the evidence pointed to a cleaner tour this year, there were still people in the Clinic who were having nothing of it. I got the impression that one or two get a kick from their own cynicism.

It's an odd place, for sure.
I coach another endurance sport....there's less money in it, so the temptations aren't there. Nor the preoccupation.

 

[Granville57]

What's the point discussing doped riders/speculations if you don't give a crap about the actual sport?

Although I have posted in probably every sub-forum on here, spending too much time in the Pro Racing section is taxing. The personal sniping that goes on during a race thread, which is then amplified ten-fold before the winner has exhaled after crossing the finish line, can make the The Clinic look like a book club at times.

The trolling that goes on in the Form & Fitness sub-forum is in a league of its own. It is truly spectacular by interwebz standards. And if you want OPINIONS then by all means, spend an afternoon in the Bikes & Gear sub-forum.

The funny thing to me is to witness the division that occurs where one sub-group casts the other in a disparaging light. Fact is, every sub-forum is exactly the same, just the players change. Also, as has been mentioned, lack of posting in one sub-forum hardly excludes reading and following those sub-forums.

The Clinic, however, in its finest moments, is one of the best repositories of information on the topic for which it was designed. Most of the info found in the other sub-forums is plentiful around the web. Lastly, the overrall sense of humor seems to be a bit higher in The Clinic, you just have to know where to look and how to view what you see.

 

[Granville57]

I coach another endurance sport....there's less money in it, so the temptations aren't there. Nor the preoccupation.

If you've learned anything from The Clinic it should be that whether there is "money in it" or not seems to have zero effect on the "temptation" to dope. It's everywhere, in every sport, at every level, to some degree.

 

[Benotti69]

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People who abstain from the Clinic might also believe TV ads?

Great line

Could also be edited to;


People who abstain from the Clinic might also believe Armstrong didn't dope.

 

[BotanyBay]

Botany Bay, Cycling always has been dirty, so that has not changed. The drugs have changed but the cheats have not.

In the 90's when it was getting out of control some people including the UCI had to put barriers to the level of doping or else. Then found a test for EPO, doping went down, performance went down a little and organized blood transfusion comes into the scene and everything is repeated again. Now we have the passport and similar barriers are put into the doping in the sport. And the cycle repeats itself. As for the past, the drugs did not affect so much the outcome of the game, and that's why we tend to ignore it but nothing else.

I bet you a dollar that you knew all this.

Have I broken the center-line rule? When stuck in the middle of a 250 person field 2 miles from the start of the big climb, yes, I sometimes did. Got DQ'd too. Those were the breaks. Did we all try to do whatever we could to "edge-up" with various insane rumors about the latest GNC store product? Yep. I followed a few fads myself. Did we crap our pants when we stumbled upon a speed deal going down in the parking lot at Encino (by certain top racers)? Yep. Do I believe Kimmage? Yes, absolutely. I remember knowing people who'd gone to Europe as neo pros and came home absolutely shattered from the experience. Never knew quite why. They were like battle veterans. And now I can see that they were probably dealing with the mental battle of upping into that drug game.

I knew there was another level here. But it was usually the people who we always new to be the nefarious types. Oxygen vectoring significantly amped-up what was going on.

I used to just accept that the Panasonic team paying another team $2000 not to chase a break. I thought it was funny (almost cute). But the amping-up of the drug culture of this sport has taught me that no, it wasn't OK then, and it's not OK now. I'll even admit to having "charged" myself. I won a case up "Uptime" as a prime in San Diego once. Sold as pep pills at truckstops an 7/11's to keep truckers awake at night. The stuff did me no good, but I'll admit I took it once or twice.

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

A lot of people care about doping more than cycling, not so hard to figure out.

A lot of people care about certain personalities that allegedly dope than cycling.

 

[armchairclimber]

If you've learned anything from The Clinic it should be that whether there is "money in it" or not seems to have zero effect on the "temptation" to dope. It's everywhere, in every sport, at every level, to some degree.

I'm concerned mainly with juniors at the moment....up to age 20. I sincerely believe that none of them would entertain the idea.

I think that power/speed events have more of a problem.

 

[Spider1964]

I have to stand up for Polish here. He may only post in the clinic but I know he he likes the sport. We talk about it all the time on our Sunday rides

Now what about the weirdos that only post in the wheel building thread, what's up with that?

This weeks ride should be a doozy! You'll have a lot to talk about. Make sure you don't half wheel him.. Hates that... Grrr!