CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

[MartinGT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194260208006160384

View: https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1194260208006160384?s=20


SS rattled already

 

[fmk_RoI]

SS rattled already

Hardly. That sounds like Shane Sutton on a good day. The guy has a rep for a reason.

 

[brownbobby]

A 2017 Sunday Times story claiming UKAD had found out about it as part of their initial inquiry, with Peters the principal source. CN report.

(Tip: Google News, sort by date order, go straight to last page.)

Thanks......so without Peters basically bringing this to their attention, the story would probably have never seen the light of day?

 

[MartinGT]

Some of the stuff on Twitter. He's raging LOL

Don't poke a bear O'Rourke!

 

[MartinGT]

Hardly. That sounds like Shane Sutton on a good day. The guy has a rep for a reason.

Very true.

I once rode with an old guy who when he was younger shared a room for a period with SS and said he was a full radge

 

[fmk_RoI]

so without Peters basically bringing this to their attention, the story would probably have never seen the light of day?

Probably. The British Cycling employee who opened the box could also have told UKAD.

This story, it's full of karmic daftness. If Sutton hadn't ratted out the Jiffy bag, he might have survived the bullying report, published his autobiography, and wouldn't be being called a doper and a liar by a QC in public like this.

 

[MartinGT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194264968495013890

View: https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/1194264968495013890?s=20

 

[MartinGT]

Man Sutton has gone off the rails by the sound of it!

 

[MartinGT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194268049752444928

View: https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1194268049752444928?s=20

 

[MartinGT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194268678554112000

View: https://twitter.com/jeremycwhittle/status/1194268678554112000?s=20

 

[MartinGT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194268634249646080

View: https://twitter.com/MikeKeegan_DM/status/1194268634249646080?s=20

 

[MartinGT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194270637721899008

View: https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1194270637721899008?s=20

 

[gillan1969]

First class........the Freeman defence....BC and SKY's cycling coach of the first UK winner of tour is a doper and liar who orders PEDs.....HaHa.....if Wiggins thought things were bad before...............

 

[fmk_RoI]

One 50mg sachet used twice a week to help recover after intense training efforts would mean 2 months regime in the box. Testing seems to extend to at least 48 hours after administration of 100mg, so I can't imagine anyone wanting to push their luck by increasing dosage and frequency much above that (this would be very different in sports where less testing goes on) if the gains are purely recovery (small but measurable). It's possible it's one a week, just to take the edge off, so that's over 6 months. If it's gains (larger than recovery gains) it might have to be 3-5 week, cycled on and off to avoid glow periods and chance the testing. So that's looking around 2-4 months.

Saying anywhere between three weeks and six months, I can live with that as a ballpark. Tx.

 

[GVFTA]

First class........the Freeman defence....BC and SKY's cycling coach of the first UK winner of tour is a doper and liar who orders PEDs.....HaHa.....if Wiggins thought things were bad before...............

These two clowns may end up forcing Wiggo to make that statement he has been threatening for a couple years.

 

[Breezy1985]

First class........the Freeman defence....BC and SKY's cycling coach of the first UK winner of tour is a doper and liar who orders PEDs.....HaHa.....if Wiggins thought things were bad before...............

I cant wait til one of them goes full Jack Nicholson and screams about how they done it. Done what the rest of us were afrid to for the good of the nation

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Great off season for road cycling.

 

[proffate]

So if we optimistically use 10% to make the maths easy, a daily sachet of 50mg is going to give you a weekly effective dose of just 35mg. You also have to factor in that as soon as you start introducing exogenous testosterone the body senses this and responds by reducing production of its own endogenous supplies. This suppression isn't an issue in individuals who are already suppressed through age, illness or other stresses such as high volume endurance training, hence the use of Testogel as a therapeutic aid....but true sports performance enhancement is another matter.

Don't non-sportspeople who receive TRT, including transdermally, get tested for unusually high hematocrit? They're compelled to donate blood whenever their RBC is too high (because it's a health risk). Besides recovery, elevated RBC would be an ergogenic aid for cyclists.

Bodybuilders typically seek supra-physiological blood serum testosterone, but cyclists probably just want to keep in the normal/upper normal range, despite high intensity/volume training and under-eating. I don't believe there's evidence that supra-physiological test levels assist in endurance performance.

 

[brownbobby]

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Don't non-sportspeople who receive TRT, including transdermally, get tested for unusually high hematocrit? They're compelled to donate blood whenever their RBC is too high (because it's a health risk). Besides recovery, elevated RBC would be an ergogenic aid for cyclists.

Bodybuilders typically seek supra-physiological blood serum testosterone, but cyclists probably just want to keep in the normal/upper normal range, despite high intensity/volume training and under-eating. I don't believe there's evidence that supra-physiological test levels assist in endurance performance.

im not so sure about those receiving TRT, where the aim is just to reestablish ‘normal levels’...I wouldn’t expect the sort of doseages used to raise RBC too high but I guess individuals react differently so I’d imagine it’s not unheard of. But in bodybuilders it’s definetely an issue at higher doses and yes I’ve heard and read about people commonly giving blood to keep their hct levels down.

I think the main reason anyone engaged in endurance sports is going to want to avoid higher doses is the weight gain...there are certainly performance gains to be had from boosting t levels way above normal, but you’re quickly going to gain at least 8-10 lbs (mostly from water retention) within a couple of weeks of starting a serious cycle and for most endurance athletes that’s not good..

 

[42x16ss]

Aye.

If it comes out he's been a naughty boy, no doubt it will be 'He made me do it'

The spiel will be that Sutton asked Freeman to order the Testogel ostensibly for personal use, and Sutton was the one who forced it onto the poor, naive riders using knowledge gained while riding with those dirty continentals.

Wait and see.

 

[Jacques (7 ch)]

Why isn’t Freeman just taking one for the team, like, say, Cope? Surely SDB could have bought him off. Will it be he who becomes the Floyd of UK Cycling? Or does he tip Shane over the edge to achieve the same effect?

 

[Bolder]

^^Judging from what I read today, I think it worked.

Seriously, what a sh**show. Once again, doping brings everyone down.

Freeman might be more like the Millar of UK Cycling, if that makes any sense. Though I do sense a tip of the iceberg emerging from the depths, just wish Freeman was a more credible witness. But I guess, like Floyd, you take what you can get.

 

[Breezy1985]

The spiel will be that Sutton asked Freeman to order the Testogel ostensibly for personal use, and Sutton was the one who forced it onto the poor, naive riders using knowledge gained while riding with those dirty continentals.

Wait and see.

An interestingly similar story to this possible version of events is told pretty well by Tony Cascarino about his time at Marseille. He talks about doctors assuring that "vitamins" that would make him foam at the mouth and other side affects been taken through the year and he was always suspicious but willing to go against his better judgement and believe the professional doctor

 

[MartinGT]

We will never know the full SP. Nothing 'juicy' will come out and Wiggins et al will be safe.

 

[topcat]

Sutton is not coming back.