CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

[MartinGT]

I wonder if Ratcliffe is shocked yet

 

[fmk_RoI]

I wonder if Ratcliffe is shocked yet

The Plastic Emperor has, effectively, already addressed historic allegations:

"Cycling has a mixed history, a reputation. But assuming it's now clean as a sport, you shouldn't consign it to the dustbin, should you?"

One assumption and everything goes away. It's magic is what it is.

 

[pastronef]

I wonder if Ratcliffe is shocked yet

Ratcliffe should be shocked for a 2010 British Cycling TRACK rider traces of nandrolone whose threshold didnt result in an AAF?

 

[samhocking]

Reading the wider story it seems to be the rider had a trace for nadrolone, British Cycling then wanted to internally test riders and UKAD allowed that. Daily Mail seem to suggest the WADA Code prevents NADOs allowing NGBs to perform internal testing, but I think they're wrong on that. I can't see anything in 6.1 that prevents anyone testing their own riders be it NGB or Pro Team.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Ratcliffe should be shocked for a 2010 British Cycling TRACK rider traces of nandrolone whose threshold didnt result in an AAF?

If he's paying attention to the actual story he'd be thinking not of the athlete but of the potential implication that UKAD colluded with BC to avoid athletes popping positives. He'd be thinking that UKAD gave BC the same warning the UCI gave LA and others - you're getting close to getting caught.

 

[Parker]

It's important that people do not lose track of the real issue here and allow themselves to be distracted:

Who actually said that quote?

Imagine the scandal if they find out about the MPCC’s private testing

 

[samhocking]

Have Daily Mail got the signatory assumption right? UCI is the WADA signatory in cycling, but UCI(CADF) allow pro teams to do their own internal testing. In fact they do it for UCI every 3 months, usually from a hospital, not a WADA lab and send the blood/urine results that end up on Bio Passport anyway I believe. On top of that there were several teams running internal anti-doping programmes outside of CADF.

 

[samhocking]

If he's paying attention to the actual story he'd be thinking not of the athlete but of the potential implication that UKAD colluded with BC to avoid athletes popping positives. He'd be thinking that UKAD gave BC the same warning the UCI gave LA and others - you're getting close to getting caught.

Seemed to be set up in 2010 though? They were winning plenty-enough in 2008 Beijing Olympics without internal testing, so would seem to not explain success at least as it made no difference.
I still think Harris has assumed wrongly on internal testing. The only issue would be if UKAD processed the results from a non-accredited lab, which he makes no reference to having happened.

 

[Ripper]

The Plastic Emperor has, effectively, already addressed historic allegations:One assumption and everything goes away. It's magic is what it is.

Well all he has to do is look people in the eye when he asks the questions ... if no gut feeling that something is up, then it is all good. Or some sort of nonsense like that.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Well all he has to do is look people in the eye when he asks the questions ... if no gut feeling that something is up, then it is all good. Or some sort of nonsense like that.

Or ask Phil Liggett and Matthew Syed.

 

[Ripper]

Or ask Phil Liggett and Matthew Syed.

"“Your antenna starts pinging if you’re uncomfortable about something. My antenna doesn’t start pinging when I’m chatting to Dave. Quite the opposite."

We've heard that line before.

 

[Parker]

What exactly is this story? Someone didn't fail a drug test ten years ago, but there were trace amounts of something that can occur naturally or through contamination.

If you were in charge of BC what you do? Ignore it or do some checks?

 

[samhocking]

It's one of the substances that has a threshold, so clearly there's no doping violation if it's described as a trace, but the body naturally generates the metabolite under exercise and so the lab can detect the metabolite even when Nandrolone hasn't been taken. There's not really much to go on, but it would sound like a similar situation where athletes back in IOC testing days were returning trace amounts very close to the 2ng/ml limit. There was then a study in Swiss Football National League which concluded 6% of the athletes were returning traces for 19-norandrosterone after the matches having not before it,

 

[Sciatic]

It's one of the substances that has a threshold, so clearly there's no doping violation if it's described as a trace, but the body naturally generates the metabolite under exercise and so the lab can detect the metabolite even when Nandrolone hasn't been taken. There's not really much to go on, but it would sound like a similar situation where athletes back in IOC testing days were returning trace amounts very close to the 2ng/ml limit. There was then a study in Swiss Football National League which concluded 6% of the athletes were returning traces for 19-norandrosterone after the matches having not before it,

It’s amazing—you two have an explanation for everything!!!

 

[Parker]

It’s amazing—you two have an explanation for everything!!!

There's usually an explanation for most things. But for you the explanation is always doping. And yet you think you are the open minded free thinker.

 

[Sciatic]

You don’t know a thing about me. And I don’t mind your posts. It just strikes me as uncanny how you so consistently have response ready whenever a whiff of issues about British cycling arises. But you know much much more about it than I do, so I can’t speak to the veracity of your content. What I was speaking to was the clockwork-like pattern of responses.

 

[samhocking]

Clockwork? The story came out, it's being discussed and being notified, that's how forums work, just like when a race is on, it's being discussed too.
Anyway back to the topic, Daily Mail seems to think that the issue here is 20.5.6 of the WADA Code and that UKAD should have investigated this rider even though the amount detected is nowhere near threshold to suggest that should have happened. Had the amount of metabolite not been the smallest amount detectable (0.2ng/ml ), but closer to the 2ng/ml threshold it would look bad for UKAD to allow British Cycling to take over investigating it. As it's a trace amount and they suggest it could be possible supplement contamination or health-related and UKAD don't offer NGBs health and supplement monitoring for their athletes anyway, it's always done internally. The rider could have generated the trace amount naturally during competition or unknown contamination in Australia, but they ruled out supplements and health-related cause.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Nandrolone is the drug of choice for performance-enhancing effects

PROFESSOR ROSS TUCKER: Pep Guardiola, Linford Christie, Shoaib Akhtar and Greg Rusedski (pictured) are among those to produce nandrolone positives. Not all were suspended.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Parker]

Nandrolone is the drug of choice for performance-enhancing effects

PROFESSOR ROSS TUCKER: Pep Guardiola, Linford Christie, Shoaib Akhtar and Greg Rusedski (pictured) are among those to produce nandrolone positives. Not all were suspended.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yet despite all of the confessions of the last decade, not one single cyclist has mentioned using nandrolone. Drug of choice it is most certainly not.

 

[MartinGT]

WADA launch investigation into UKAD after British Cycling were allowed to conduct own doping inquiry

Investigation reportedly relates to 2010 sample with traces of the steroid nandrolone

www.cyclingnews.com

Reading this

“Under Article 20.5.6 of the 2009 World Anti-Doping Code, National Anti-Doping Organizations had an obligation to vigorously pursue all potential Anti-Doping Rule Violations within their jurisdiction, including investigating whether athlete support personnel or other persons may have been involved in a case of doping. The elements you have provided are of significant concern to WADA

Sounds like because UKAD have no records after they passed it onto BC is WADA's beef. If UKAD had records of following it up or whatever with BC then it wouldn't be an issue? Was Freeman working at UKAD at the time?

Seems like Sports Administration in UK elite sport is lacking somewhat.

 

[F_Cance]

Absolutely great to see all the sky fanboys back in full force

 

[MartinGT]

How our drug busters allowed British Olympians to avoid doping probe

MAIL ON SUNDAY INVESTIGATION: Today, yet again, the achievements of Britain's cyclists will be viewed through a different prism with British Cycling under the spotlight.

www.mailonsunday.co.uk

Reading that very convenient they have no records. Wonder if they were on that lost laptop.

 

[samhocking]

WADA launch investigation into UKAD after British Cycling were allowed to conduct own doping inquiry

Investigation reportedly relates to 2010 sample with traces of the steroid nandrolone

www.cyclingnews.com

Reading this

“Under Article 20.5.6 of the 2009 World Anti-Doping Code, National Anti-Doping Organizations had an obligation to vigorously pursue all potential Anti-Doping Rule Violations within their jurisdiction, including investigating whether athlete support personnel or other persons may have been involved in a case of doping. The elements you have provided are of significant concern to WADA

Sounds like because UKAD have no records after they passed it onto BC is WADA's beef. If UKAD had records of following it up or whatever with BC then it wouldn't be an issue? Was Freeman working at UKAD at the time?

Seems like Sports Administration in UK elite sport is lacking somewhat.

Harris kind of makes it obvious why this isn't going to be an issue for WADA because he's stated the amount was a trace amount of the smallest level detectable, but to investigate under 20.5.6, UKAD would need more to suggest the sample represented a potential Anti-Doping Rule Violation. The metabolite detected is one produced naturally anyway from everything I've read on it. Studies even suggesting 6% of athletes will return traces of the metabolite after exercise through a Swiss football study across 2 divisions.

 

[samhocking]

How our drug busters allowed British Olympians to avoid doping probe

MAIL ON SUNDAY INVESTIGATION: Today, yet again, the achievements of Britain's cyclists will be viewed through a different prism with British Cycling under the spotlight.

www.mailonsunday.co.uk

Reading that very convenient they have no records. Wonder if they were on that lost laptop.

Why would UKAD have the records of BC, they don't do supplement testing or monitor athletes for Nandrolone, just because a trace of its metabolite was detected. It's the Daily Mail. It'll go nowhere same as Jiffygate & the Ketone story described as a scandal. It's Daily Mail lol!

 

[70kmph]

Not looking good, first the testosterone now the nandrolone- 2 smoking guns plus a convicted doping Doctor