CN interviews Chris Horner

[Alpe d'Huez]

Horner is only a bike rider. What else is he going to do?

Oh, how about tell the truth?

Regarding "Redneck"

Just out of interest is that normally a compliment from where you're from?

I didn't make that post. But Chris lives on the outskirts of Bend (or used to). That used to be the "red" part of the state, but it's become kind of clique and a great outdoors town with skiing, hiking, riding, etc. between the ranch land. I imagine the term is used in a humorous, endearing way towards him, given to him by city kids.

 

[Tom375]

Oh, how about tell the truth?

Regarding "Redneck"

I didn't make that post. But Chris lives on the outskirts of Bend (or used to). That used to be the "red" part of the state, but it's become kind of clique and a great outdoors town with skiing, hiking, riding, etc. between the ranch land. I imagine the term is used in a humorous, endearing way towards him, given to him by city kids.

No it wasn't your quote it's from the CN interview - just wondered if you had any insight on it as you said you were from his home state. And you did so thanks. Still think my interpretation is closer though

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Certainly does when it comes to his views in this interview!

 

[spetsa]

Sounds like he has his sights on Phil Liggett's job.

Don't laugh to much about it. If Horner retires without getting busted, we very well may be watching Bob Roll and Horner together at the TDF for years to come.

 

[Tom375]

Don't laugh to much about it. If Horner retires without getting busted, we very well may be watching Bob Roll and Horner together at the TDF for years to come.

Funny ... but true! - He is gonna be the new Phil, this was just a try out!

 

[noddy69]

Some people are just a lost cause....and this clown is one of them. Does he know how idiotic he sounds....or is he worried that lance will hang him if he doesnt make himself look like a tool......its mind boggling how some people come to the conclusions they do. Change cycling ,start with Horner.He gets the tool of the week award by a country mile.

 

[veganrob]

He can't be that stupid, he's managed not to get caught all these years.

I think they are just letting him hang around for a good laugh

 

[Tom375]

Some people are just a lost cause....and this clown is one of them. Does he know how idiotic he sounds....or is he worried that lance will hang him if he doesnt make himself look like a tool......its mind boggling how some people come to the conclusions they do. Change cycling ,start with Horner.He gets the tool of the week award by a country mile.

The dope frazzled his brain man...

 

[MarkvW]

Oh, how about tell the truth?

Regarding "Redneck"

I didn't make that post. But Chris lives on the outskirts of Bend (or used to). That used to be the "red" part of the state, but it's become kind of clique and a great outdoors town with skiing, hiking, riding, etc. between the ranch land. I imagine the term is used in a humorous, endearing way towards him, given to him by city kids.

Telling the truth would jeopardize Horner's livelihood. Why should we expect him to do that? Truth is a scarce luxury for any fans of this sport. I'm cool with this because I don't respect Horner, or almost any pro cyclist. I'd be a fool to take any of those doped-up geeks seriously.

My passion for cycling is about riding my bike long distances for fun. Pro cycling is about hypocrisy and cheating and drugs (and bikes that are as uncomfortable as f***). Pro cycling is a guilty pleasure, like some reality TV shows.

 

[howsteepisit]

It seems pretty clear to me that Horner has his line in the sand, that in the absence of a positive test there is no doping. I understand that simplicity, even though I do not agree with it. If I recall, Conconni and Ferrari had something of the same opinion.

However, Horner's opinion does not make him stupid. I am surely in awe of the powerful intelligence of the forum posters, all of whom are at the genius level (or above) of intelligence and who can sit in such powerful and reasoned judgment of all opinions.
What a bunch of tools

 

[Race Radio]

ex wife, kids to feed.....Part of getting paid $800,000 per year to show up "Prepared" for 4-5 races per year includes spewing nonsense.

Chris should share his blood values for the last few years. They look like the profile of Tour climbing stage

 

[thehog]

It seems pretty clear to me that Horner has his line in the sand, that in the absence of a positive test there is no doping. I understand that simplicity, even though I do not agree with it. If I recall, Conconni and Ferrari had something of the same opinion.

However, Horner's opinion does not make him stupid. I am surely in awe of the powerful intelligence of the forum posters, all of whom are at the genius level (or above) of intelligence and who can sit in such powerful and reasoned judgment of all opinions.
What a bunch of tools

Thanks Lance. Could you turn the lights off on the way out?

 

[MarkvW]

Thanks Lance. Could you turn the lights off on the way out?

I dunno. Freddy Maertens expressed the same general attitude as Horner, years ago. It's not just Lance's opinion--it's probably the opinion of the bulk of the peleton.

 

[maltiv]

It seems pretty clear to me that Horner has his line in the sand, that in the absence of a positive test there is no doping. I understand that simplicity, even though I do not agree with it. If I recall, Conconni and Ferrari had something of the same opinion.

So all the guys who admitted doping must be delusional then? They never tested positive, thus they are clean. They probably just confessed to get attention!

By now we know how useless the tests are, as long as they are careful they only get caught if they're so unlucky/stupid to get tested within a few hours of taking EPO, which is extremely unlikely...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Chris should share his blood values for the last few years. They look like the profile of Tour climbing stage

Curious.

A few other profiles would be handy too.

 

[maltiv]

Chris should share his blood values for the last few years. They look like the profile of Tour climbing stage

He was a zero on UCI's suspicion list though. So he must have a very good program. That being said, there was no testing at ToC so one can only imagine how insane his blood values were then. Probably at Bjarne Riis level.

 

[Oldman]

It seems pretty clear to me that Horner has his line in the sand, that in the absence of a positive test there is no doping. I understand that simplicity, even though I do not agree with it. If I recall, Conconni and Ferrari had something of the same opinion.

However, Horner's opinion does not make him stupid. I am surely in awe of the powerful intelligence of the forum posters, all of whom are at the genius level (or above) of intelligence and who can sit in such powerful and reasoned judgment of all opinions.
What a bunch of tools

You would be wrong to assume a few forum members don't actually know the guy. He is fairly accessible to the public in Bend, Oregon. He would have done himself a favor by not talking at all.

 

[howsteepisit]

So all the guys who admitted doping must be delusional then? They never tested positive, thus they are clean. They probably just confessed to get attention!

By now we know how useless the tests are, as long as they are careful they only get caught if they're so unlucky/stupid to get tested within a few hours of taking EPO, which is extremely unlikely...

Not at all, I was pointing out that in many professional sports the general belief is that if your are not caught/penalized then you were not cheating. Pro sports are pragmatic if nothing else. Its great fun to sit here on a forum and moralize of how awful cheating is blah blah blah, but it does not reflect the realities of the guys who are out there making a living year in and out. Since the entry fee into the pro peloton is to win or dominate amateur events, that what the aspiring pro does. the price of remaining in the peloton is to either win or be able to help create a winning teammate. And those that are there are often prepared to do what is necessary to remain there. So they draw a line of not caught/didn't cheat. Its really no different than investment banking and hedge funds. If you are not caught then obviously you did not use insider information. This is the fundamental reality of the competitive world, like it or not. The predominant posters here, do not accept that reality, but I note that they are forum posters, not world class cyclists.

By the way, in spite of the Lance accusation, I have dislike Lance since the early 90's based on his arrogant attitude. His drugging did nothing to change my opinion of his as i never liked him at all.

Edit: A Stupis opinion does not make a person stupid. Nor does a opinion that you do not agree with.

 

[frenchfry]

Not at all, I was pointing out that in many professional sports the general belief is that if your are not caught/penalized then you were not cheating. Pro sports are pragmatic if nothing else. Its great fun to sit here on a forum and moralize of how awful cheating is blah blah blah, but it does not reflect the realities of the guys who are out there making a living year in and out. Since the entry fee into the pro peloton is to win or dominate amateur events, that what the aspiring pro does. the price of remaining in the peloton is to either win or be able to help create a winning teammate. And those that are there are often prepared to do what is necessary to remain there. So they draw a line of not caught/didn't cheat. Its really no different than investment banking and hedge funds. If you are not caught then obviously you did not use insider information. This is the fundamental reality of the competitive world, like it or not. The predominant posters here, do not accept that reality, but I note that they are forum posters, not world class cyclists.

By the way, in spite of the Lance accusation, I have dislike Lance since the early 90's based on his arrogant attitude. His drugging did nothing to change my opinion of his as i never liked him at all.

Accepting the reality doesn't mean having to like it.

Rather presumptious to assume that forum posters cannot also be world class cyclists.

 

[howsteepisit]

Not thats why I said the predominate posters, not all posters. I am pretty sure there are a couple of world class cyclist or excyclists who post here. Ask them about the attitudes towards cheating in professional sports, not just drug cheating but all forms, such as taking a draft in the caravan to caught back up after a mechanical. Hell its still cheating. How about crossing the center line. Or is cheating not always cheating? If there are degrees of cheating, then at least acknowledge that differing opinions on the relative severity of cheating differ, and If Horner does not feel like drugging is that death dealing level of cheating, then he is entitled to that opinion and is not to be judged to be stupid because of his opinion.

 

[mewmewmew13]

He never tested positive because they have not yet developed the test to find the biggest moron in the world.

LMAO!
Can't think of a better comment than this

 

[howsteepisit]

Hey moderator - How about some guidance here. Since its OK to call riders et al morons or stupid based on their reported comments, , why can't I call posters stupid based on their posts?

Note I would exclude Pat McQuaid as he is clearly a total idiot.

 

[amp300]

Hey moderator - How about some guidance here. Since its OK to call riders et al morons or stupid based on their reported comments, , why can't I call posters stupid based on their posts?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=14952

6. No insulting other members. This includes counter-insults ("he started it").

 

[amp300]

so what you need to do is get Horner to become a registered CN forum user, and that way we can't insult him anymore.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

It seems pretty clear to me that Horner has his line in the sand, that in the absence of a positive test there is no doping. I understand that simplicity, even though I do not agree with it. If I recall, Conconni and Ferrari had something of the same opinion.

However, Horner's opinion does not make him stupid. I am surely in awe of the powerful intelligence of the forum posters, all of whom are at the genius level (or above) of intelligence and who can sit in such powerful and reasoned judgment of all opinions.
What a bunch of tools

"Reasoned" judgement?

Freudian slip?