I thought the Hamilton interview was great. He really doesn't like the hypocrisy of those who try to single out riders. The truth is, they were all basically doing it.
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"Everyone was doing it" and "level playing field" are the pillars of every cheater's excuse. The nitwits among the general population who repeat this nonsense are either too stupid to realize this or have a vested interest in propagating this falsehood.
Plenty of riders were clean. Many actually didn't make it to the top levels BECAUSE they were clean.
Luigi Cancellara is a fraud.
Plenty of riders were clean. Many actually didn't make it to the top levels BECAUSE they were clean.
Luigi Cancellara is a fraud.
Race Radio said:
I've kinda got there myself eventually after reading the other thread.
(And there ain't no point in arguing with RR!)
But is it possible those riders got that wrong (either out of spite because of what he said, or just a simple mistake?)
Yes you can tell I'm a fan staring disappointment in the face!
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Microchip said:
Oh I could cry! Nooooo.....
My favourites were:
Fabian
Voeckler
Jens
Two down....
I used to be a big fan of Jens and Voeckler as well. Jens needs to go away, and I have serious doubts about Voeckler and Europcar after that miraculously successful TdF.
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Don't put any hope in any of these three please. Seriously. Jens have stories too.Microchip said:
Oh I could cry! Nooooo.....
My favourites were:
Fabian
Voeckler
Jens
Two down....
Have you seen the amount of damning information about their coaches, friends, doctors, power outputs, scandals etc, etc.
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What makes you think that DS is Vaughters and not Johan Bruyneel? Bruyneel was the DS of Astana back at the '08 Tour de Georgia. Also his team wasn't invited to the Tour or the Giro because of Puerto. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astana_Team#2008). [The Giro invite was later given at the last minute.]
Maybe he was butthurt because he was having to deal with a lot of circumstances that he didn't cause (he had just taken over Astana as DS that year) and lashed out at Tyler.
That seems a lot more in character for JB than Vaughters.
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I just realized the article mentioned he was a teammate, so I guess that counts out Bruyneel unless Hamilton considers Bruyneel to be a teammate from his time at US Postal. That's an arguable viewpoint at least.
Maybe he was butthurt because he was having to deal with a lot of circumstances that he didn't cause (he had just taken over Astana as DS that year) and lashed out at Tyler.
That seems a lot more in character for JB than Vaughters.
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I just realized the article mentioned he was a teammate, so I guess that counts out Bruyneel unless Hamilton considers Bruyneel to be a teammate from his time at US Postal. That's an arguable viewpoint at least.
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Sky and say Cancellara of 2006-2007, Contador or Schleck make wonder whether a big progress is possible without doping. Answer: NO. But is slow progress possible without doping? No as well. Guys like Pelizzotti confirm. In my view, everyone including Sastre and Evans vastly doped. So I don't see it can affect on our preferences. Rooting for no one is the only way out.
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Microchip said:
Oh I could cry! Nooooo.....
My favourites were:
Fabian
Voeckler
Jens
Two down....
Beyond the people they ride with, how are 2 of these 3 down? I've heard nothing yet to concretely discredit Voecker or Jens.
What a topsy-turvy game this is. The sort of nails-hard, swashbuckling, gritty riders we all choose as heroes are probably the very last people we should revere.
Time to start backing the boring riders.
Time to start backing the boring riders.
Mishrak said:Thomas Voeckler?
I've just been taking my Voeckler posters off the back of the toilet door. He gave me courage during times of adversity, but now I just don't know if I can rely on him anymore
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Jens was mentioned by Jörg Jaksche. Whether true or not his interview could have been challenged by jens.WinterRider said:
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