Cobo Talk Only

[Midnightfright]

So do You want to hold this image up in front of the World Anti-Doping Agency or the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Pretty damning isn't it

 

[luckyboy]

Cobo then stopped messing about and put the hammer down higher up the climb, completing the last 6kms of the climb 8 seconds faster than Contador (a known positive tester) did it in 2008. Froome appears to have lost approximately further 30 to 35 seconds in the remaining 6kms. These are not negligible timegaps in modern GTs.

That must mean Froome climbed the final 6km of Angliru 22-27 seconds slower than Contador did. That is equally as unbelievable.

Finally, I think a doping Cobo who stopped training in April 2011 will be considerably weaker than a doping Cobo who had a perfect lead up to the Vuelta.

Would a non-doping Chris Froome be superior to a non-doping Cobo who stopped training in April? Entirely possible.

Cobo raced Pais Vasco, Trentino and Vuelta la Rioja in April. At the end of the month he rode Vuelta a Asturias but abandoned on the stage with hail and sleet. He stopped training at the start of May.

He mustn't have taken much time off because at the start of June he got through the prologue and three stages of the Tour of Luxembourg. Pretty impressive for someone who had no training for a month

Secondly, these comments by Nibali seem a little ominous:

Yes, he hasn’t ridden like that since the Tour stage at Hautacam in 2008,” Nibali said
Hmm...

Froome has never ridden like this, or even put in a performance that hinted at the possibility of it.

 

[GJB123]

That must mean Froome climbed the final 6km of Angliru 22-27 seconds slower than Contador did. That is equally as unbelievable.




Cobo raced Pais Vasco, Trentino and Vuelta la Rioja in April. At the end of the month he rode Vuelta a Asturias but abandoned on the stage with hail and sleet. He stopped training at the start of May.

He mustn't have taken much time off because at the start of June he got through the prologue and three stages of the Tour of Luxembourg. Pretty impressive for someone who had no training for a month




Froome has never ridden like this, or even put in a performance that hinted at the possibility of it.

FFS, stop bringing Froome into the discussion. The thread is about Cobo, read the thread title. If you have something to add on Froome, there is a seperate thread for that. And even if Froome was as dirty as they come (and for all we know, he might well be), how would that excuse Cobo doping? This is pathetic.

Regards
GJ

 

[Hors-Catégorie]

Wiggins gives Cobo benefit of doubt

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/09/news/wiggins-gives-cobo-benefit-of-doubt_191101

“We’re all cyclists. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. While we’re in the peloton, they’re just like us,” Wiggins said. “We’re all racers and we race against each other. Other people’s opinions might be different on that, but that’s not certainly our opinion. As far as we’re concerned, Cobo is like us and he’s racing. And he deserves to be where he’s at.”

 

[roundabout]

Let's be honest, Cobo was pretty dire from March when he got sick in Murcia through July. He rode a lot of races in that period but hardly got better. He was 64th up Kitzbüheler Horn and circa 50th on GC when he abandoned in the Tour of Austria. So just because he rode some races doesn't mean he was prepared for them.

 

[luckyboy]

FFS, stop bringing Froome into the discussion. The thread is about Cobo, read the thread title. If you have something to add on Froome, there is a seperate thread for that. And even if Froome was as dirty as they come (and for all we know, he might well be), how would that excuse Cobo doping? This is pathetic.

Regards
GJ

Talk about Froome and Cobo seems to be interlinked, and as a result people are mentioning both riders in these two threads.

I'm not excusing Cobo doping. I'm saying that Froome and Cobo are both probably doping.

I will say though, that from now on if people keep referring to the other rider in either of these threads, their posts will be deleted.

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins gives Cobo benefit of doubt

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/09/news/wiggins-gives-cobo-benefit-of-doubt_191101

“We’re all cyclists. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. While we’re in the peloton, they’re just like us,” Wiggins said. “We’re all racers and we race against each other. Other people’s opinions might be different on that, but that’s not certainly our opinion. As far as we’re concerned, Cobo is like us and he’s racing. And he deserves to be where he’s at.”

if it sounds like omerta and smells like omerta then it is omerta

 

[Mellow Velo]

FFS, stop bringing Froome into the discussion. The thread is about Cobo, read the thread title. If you have something to add on Froome, there is a seperate thread for that. And even if Froome was as dirty as they come (and for all we know, he might well be), how would that excuse Cobo doping? This is pathetic.

Regards
GJ

You cannot exclude him.
Froome is an integral part of the discussion on Cobo.
How do go about trying to convince those who think Cobo is dirty, while Froome is clean, to think again?

Froome has put in a huge effort over 2 weeks for Wiggins, while Cobo has ridden as the protected rider. Factor that into the time statistics and it either adds a further question mark over Froome, or makes Cobo's perfomance more credible.

 

[Hors-Catégorie]

How many times has Cobo been drug tested since the beginning of the Veulta...???

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

“We’re all cyclists. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. While we’re in the peloton, they’re just like us,” Wiggins said. “We’re all racers and we race against each other. Other people’s opinions might be different on that, but that’s not certainly our opinion. As far as we’re concerned, Cobo is like us and he’s racing. And he deserves to be where he’s at.”

That sounds like someone who does not want his own miraculous jump in performance questioned. It also sounds suspiciously close to, "It is only doping if you get caught."

 

[Mellow Velo]

Cobo was 3rd overall in the mountainous Vuelta a Burgos, 4 weeks ago.
Dropped Rodriguez and Anton on the Queen stage MTF.
So he hasn't done this from a standing start, as some folks are making out.
Just sayin'.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Have You got evidence to suggest otherwise...???that is of course...coming from a neutrals perspective.

How long have you been following the sport? Looking at it's history (and indeed not just the recent one, rather all of it's history!) the more interesting question is what makes you so sure about Marin being clean or Wiggins?
And how is that the common oppinion? The only rider I know of who does do great occasionaly, who is considered "probably clean" by the majority of people who actually thought about the topic a little longer, is Moncoutie.

For me the most interesting question in the moment is not if the spot has become clean, or cleaner but if the new anti-doping measures are successfull at eliminating the very nasty stuff.

 

[Hors-Catégorie]

In all fairness. You have to give Cobo the benefit of the doubt. After all. One is innocent until proven guilty..............

 

[Stingray34]

Cobo's as dirty as an arctic summer day is long, but Wiggins is a prat so I don't feel sorry for him.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

In all fairness. You have to give Cobo the benefit of the doubt. After all. One is innocent until proven guilty..............

Yes of course. Legally and in the way you treat him. But that's got nothing to do with what you think is the most reasonable oppinion to hold about him.

 

[Benotti69]

In all fairness. You have to give Cobo the benefit of the doubt. After all. One is innocent until proven guilty..............

yeah but this is professional cycling...

 

[happychappy]

Didn't any of you notice Cobo's high cadence? Anglirú was won with laser like focus and nothing more!

 

[classicomano]

Most people seem to be ignoring the most damning evidence that Cobo is a big time Doper and that's his incredibly shifty eyes and thin evil lips

I think its time for some before and after chin/jawline comparisons.

 

[djerkson]

Well, it's pretty obvious for me. The team manager is Mauro Gianetti. According to Michel Wuyts (said during the broadcast), a guy "who never was trustworthy".

Geox is not a World Tour team, yet they are the leading team in overall standings. This reminds me of the stunt Di Luca, Pozzovivo and co pulled off in the Giro some years ago with LPR. You have Menchov, Sastré and even Duarte, who are performing quite well during the last hard stages, where they were nowhere in the first week.

There is the fact that Cobo has two evil tattoos: a dragon and a devil. He even made the devil's eye before winning on the Angliru. Therefore, there can only be one conclusion: he is a devil worshipper, with Gianetti being the devil himself .

Enough with the silly jokes, there is only one conclusion: There are only indications, there is no real proof. And as long as there is no proof, it seems like Cobo is winning this Vuelta, like it or not.

 

[maltiv]

I think its time for some before and after chin/jawline comparisons.

 

[Anonymous]

Cobo's as dirty as an arctic summer day is long, but Wiggins is a prat so I don't feel sorry for him.

I also think you might get a different story from some people once the vuelta is over and they are back in Britain.

When you are trying to win a race in spain, knowing the spanish organisers love of sticking the proverbial stick in the spokes of the non spanish riders, it may not be the best thing to publicly accuse the spanish race leader of doping.

 

[Anonymous]

In all fairness. You have to give Cobo the benefit of the doubt. After all. One is innocent until proven guilty..............

and this, he is subject to the same uci testing as everyone else, is part of the bio passport like everyone else, and at the moment has not had a positive test.

therefore, logic dictates he must be clean, or the testing doesnt work. He can only be one of the two.

 

[maltiv]

and this, he is subject to the same uci testing as everyone else, is part of the bio passport like everyone else, and at the moment has not had a positive test.

therefore, logic dictates he must be clean, or the testing doesnt work. He can only be one of the two.

Actually it's very unlikely that he's been tested more than like 2-3 this season before Burgos, considering how terrible he was before that, so he's basically had a couple of months to prepare without having to fear drug testing much.

 

[Benotti69]

hardly a comparison when Suanier Duval was a cesspit of a team for PEDs run by Gianetti and now he is riding for Geox run by Gianetti!

 

[maltiv]

hardly a comparison when Suanier Duval was a cesspit of a team for PEDs run by Gianetti and now he is riding for Geox run by Gianetti!

Changes in the facial structures due to doping happens over an extended period of time and not instantaneously. I believe this picture is from when he first joined Saunier Duval, and since then it looks like his jaw has grown massively. Obviously the pictures might be a little deceiving, but there's a change there, I think.