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tobydawq

tobydawq

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CyclistAbi said:
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Reading this thread i was under the impression GCN commentators exaggerate. But so far i don't see it. As for your point. You agreeing there is more awareness today. I don't see that as a bad thing. As if we ever want to move from "as dangerous as ever" to "less dangerous as ever". Well, first you have to be aware of the problems involved. And acknowledge. Without that it would be naive to expect for things to improve by themself.

@RedheadDane

I am sure that nobody will complain. When number of collarbone injuries will drop substantially. Just as nobody did in other sports. Where appropriate apparel was already introduced.
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Yes, it is a bad thing because it's a threat to cycling as it is done today.
 
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CyclistAbi

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tobydawq said:
Yes, it is a bad thing because it's a threat to cycling as it is done today.
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And helmets, disc brakes, battery shifters ... All fine. Just the collarbones need to still get broken. Or cycling as we know it will die? Did downhill die with an introduction of more protective apparel? I don't see it. Once the skiers goes down the Streif. It's still the same. Better then it ever was. Pro peloton is changing constantly and i am sure that some day cyclists will be able to say we feel safer that we ever did. And that won't kill cycling.

But lets move on there are other threads for such discussions. This one needed to be conducted to determine if currently commentators really do exaggerate. When it comes to raising awareness in regards to rider safety.

For now i don't see that.
 
ashhutch1997

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tobydawq said:
Yes, it is a bad thing because it's a threat to cycling as it is done today.
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Exactly!! To act like there are more crashes today than 20+ years ago shows how nieave people are. Go what stage 1 of the 1994 TDF and try and tell me that today it's far worse.
The problem is that GCN are just trying to get views on their recent video, but a lot of people who are new to cycling and are easily led are just agreeing with everything that is said, even though they didn't know that cycling existed a few years ago. Heck, look at the first week of the 2015 TDF, that was full crashes.
 
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And helmets, disc brakes, battery shifters ... All fine. Just the collarbones need to still get broken. Or cycling as we know it will die? Did downhill die with an introduction of more protective apparel? I don't see it. Once the skiers goes down the Streif. It's still the same. Better then it ever was. Pro peloton is changing constantly and i am sure that some day cyclists will be able to say we feel safer that we ever did. And that won't kill cycling.

But lets move on there are other threads for such discussions. This one needed to be conducted to determine if currently commentators really do exaggerate. When it comes to raising awareness in regards to rider safety.

For now i don't see that.
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I fully understand your point, but the answer is yes, they do exaggerate. Especially when they are trying to get views on GCN videos.

There's a difference between raising awareness and full on acting as if you've seen the most terrible thing ever like Hatch does when there's a minor crash that happens in any race.

Go and listen to Hatch's commentary 5 years ago, there's a huge difference. Like I said, I really rated him as a commentator, but these days I'm contemplating putting the TV on mute when he's commentating the end of a bunch sprint.
 
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RedheadDane

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CyclistAbi said:
And helmets, disc brakes, battery shifters ... All fine. Just the collarbones need to still get broken. Or cycling as we know it will die? Did downhill die with an introduction of more protective apparel? I don't see it. Once the skiers goes down the Streif. It's still the same. Better then it ever was. Pro peloton is changing constantly and i am sure that some day cyclists will be able to say we feel safer that we ever did. And that won't kill cycling.
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Just to clarify, nobody is saying collarbones needs to be broken, I don't think the UCI has a "collarbone quota" that needs to be filled every year. We're just saying that preventing collarbone breakage isn't the most important matter, in fact; it's very non-important. Let's say there is situation in which a rider could either break a collarbone, or get traumatic brain injury, I think it should be pretty obvious what the preferred outcome would be; a broken collarbone means the rider will be out of racing for a couple of weeks, traumatic brain injury can be career-ending, or worse.
Oh, and I don't know how to say this to you, so you might want to sit down for this shocking revelation: Cycling and skiing are not the same sport! You can't directly compare one to the other.
 
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@RedheadDane

I am sure that we will discuss this subject in the dedicated thread more. Over time. In this thread i just wanted to express some support to commentators. Occasionally voicing out safety related content to wider audience. And i was interested if they exaggerate or not. When doing that. And for now my conclusion is they are rather neutral about it. Just stating the obvious.

P.S. As there was some backslash in this thread on how they shouldn't do it.
 
RedheadDane

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CyclistAbi said:
@RedheadDane

I am sure that we will discuss this subject in the dedicated thread more. Over time. In this thread i just wanted to express some support to commentators. Occasionally voicing out safety related content to wider audience. And i was interested if they exaggerate or not. When doing that. And for now my conclusion is they are rather neutral about it. Just stating the obvious.

P.S. As there was some backslash in this thread on how they shouldn't do it.
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I'm sorry, I'm just not sure I trust your judgement on this. After all; you think broken collarbones are a serious issue that needs to be fixed.
And are you talking about what's being said in those documentaries, or what's being said in the actual commentary?
 
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wansteadimp said:
Looks like the thread will need renaming at some point in the future. No real comment on how the content will change. Maybe one of the reasons the player was killed off.
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That is bad reporting from the Guardian. WBD are rebranding BT Sport as TNT in July but "Discovery’s Eurosport in the UK and Ireland 'will continue to be available in the same way as it is today before being rolled into the new brand at some time in the future' after talks with its distribution partners. "

That "some point in the future" appears to be post the 2024 Olympics and pre the 2026 Winter Olympics.

So around the time that WBD's HBO deal with Sky is supposed to run out allowing them to create a larger, premium sport and entertainment streaming platform.

But they currently have plans to keep Discovery+'s sports and conspiracy theories and freakshow content available as a cheap and cheerful subscription offering. Also, there currently doesn't appear to be any plans to kill off GCN.
 
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