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Oude Geuze said:
Brullnux said:
Oude Geuze said:
A lot of people on this board dont understand that being a commentator is much more difficult than identifying the times when a commentator makes a mistake. You can choose when to speak, the commentator has to cover everything.

To make a simple analogy, if you're watching jeopardy at home and answer every question you know, you will seem smart to your friends. But you are selecting which questions to answer, which makes it a lot easier. None of you would even come close to doing what Kirby does, and most of you would not even dear to. Of course, any idiot could do what Sean Kelly does, which is keep quiet, until you feel you have something to say. Even if that happens to be the same thing you said previously. And the time before that.
Firstly, this thread is made to mock stupid things commentators say rather than criticise their overall quality. There is already a thread for that.

Secondly, the "you couldn't do a better job" argument is one of the most useless ones in the world. So what I can't manage a coach a team as well as Mourinho? That isn't my job, I'm not paid to do it, I haven't been picked to do it - but I can spot terrible moments and terrible decisions, and I have every right to criticise then for it. I can't play football as well as John Stones yet I can still say that he's a bad defender. I can't play rugby as well as the Italian national team, but I can still call them useless. Criticising Kirby does not exclude respecting his role; it merely says that he is not good enough to do it. Who cares if I can't do as well? There are others who so the job and are better, and there will be more who don't do the job who have the potential to be better. It's not just a single mistake - I don't care if a commentator says that a rider is Jelle Wallays instead of Sean de Bie: the issue is with when he can't read races, doesn't know who riders are (even when their names are displayed) and struggle with the most basic arithmetic and logic. Repeatedly. At that point I'd say that he isn't good enough.

Lastly, the jeopardy analogy is off for the reasons I stated above.

Diversion over.

I replied that way exactly because such a claim was made by people itt as a way of disparaging Kirby. The comment I made does pertain to this subject, and it is valid. You state that he can't read races or remember names. I have seen hours worth of Kirby commentating, and that simply is not true. Norwegian and danish commentators are no better, they occasionally miss things. Also, you have to remember that we are not the target audience. We are an insignificant minority. His job is to entertain the majority, and he's really good at animating even dull races. So your critique of him is both wrong and a result of an uninformed view of what he is hired to do. Frankly, it's immature elitism.

"Frankly, it's immature elitism."

Bingo.
Oude Geuze summed up in one sentence what I've been trying to say all along.
There is no script to cycling commentary. The commentators aren't always on the same feed of the broadcaster, so they're trying to figure stuff out and interpret it in real time. That's not an easy thing to do.
Condemning a guy who doesn't fit the profile is typical of road racers in general.
There has always been a sense of elitism in the sport, and I can't figure out why.
Compared to Kirby, Sean Kelly is absolutely atrocious. Yet we don't hear much criticism of him. (Edited to say I like Sean Kelly, but he's nowhere near as good as Kirby in calling a race.)

Anyhow, carry on. I didn't come here to derail the thread. Apologies.
 
From GP Wallonie: "They're getting closer and closer to the finish."

Oh... really? That's how it works? :surprised:

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And today at PNDK one of the commentators on DR somehow managed to mix up a Wanty rider and a Bardiani rider. Those two kits aren't even remotely similar...
 
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GenericBoonenFan said:
Bye Bye Bicycle said:
José Been commented on the Froome nude photo today and mention his weight, which led to Michelle Cound commenting on Been's weight, too. Hilarious twitter conversation.

You don't happen to have a screenshot from that?
I always like to see Been getting owned.
Classy :rolleyes:

FWIW if you're on MC's side, you're in the minority. Support for José is overwhelming. It was a rather disgusting comment by Cound, of course, which she also realized herself because she quickly deleted it. Kinda like when she insinuated Contador was still doping. Deleting it doesn't erase all memory of it. She needs to think before tweeting.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
GenericBoonenFan said:
Bye Bye Bicycle said:
José Been commented on the Froome nude photo today and mention his weight, which led to Michelle Cound commenting on Been's weight, too. Hilarious twitter conversation.

You don't happen to have a screenshot from that?
I always like to see Been getting owned.
Classy :rolleyes:

FWIW if you're on MC's side, you're in the minority. Support for José is overwhelming. It was a rather disgusting comment by Cound, of course, which she also realized herself because she quickly deleted it. Kinda like when she insinuated Contador was still doping. Deleting it doesn't erase all memory of it. She needs to think before tweeting.

Oh come on, the women has a clear social media addiction, and yes I agree that MC is not the most friendly of all people, but José Been is just irritating and altough she has cleary stated being very anti-doping-insinuation but yet she couldn't help but insinuate that Froome (back in 2015) and Deignan (this year) are doped. Also the She needs to think before tweeting. Very much applies more to Been than any other person.
And on a personal note: I think tweeting during your work (in her case commentating) is very unproffesional.
 
There's a reason this whole conversation got deleted by both parties. It wasn't very beneficial for either of them. The matter is: one of those two parties is a professional journalist who should know better then getting into fights with strangers on social media.

Been appears to be very thin-skinned - a bit like the female version of this annoying pcs guy. Only a coincidence that they are both Dutch? :D
 
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Bye Bye Bicycle said:
There's a reason this whole conversation got deleted by both parties. It wasn't very beneficial for either of them. The matter is: one of those two parties is a professional journalist who should know better then getting into fights with strangers on social media.

Been appears to be very thin-skinned - a bit like the female version of this annoying pcs guy. Only a coincidence that they are both Dutch? :D
Well, José wasn't getting into fights, she just commented on something that was doing the rounds on social media and MC jumped on it. José's initial comment wasn't mean spirited in any way.
Later, MC called her obese, and pointed to Armstrong as an example that cancer survivors can still be "assholes".
I know many don't like José, I don't mind her, but fair enough. However, I don't think it's acceptable for anyone to defend what MC said to her just because they do not like José as a person or as a commentator.

MC needs a brain-to-tweet filter. I've lost count how many times she's dug a hole for herself by tweeting something offensive or stupid and deleting it afterwards.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Bye Bye Bicycle said:
There's a reason this whole conversation got deleted by both parties. It wasn't very beneficial for either of them. The matter is: one of those two parties is a professional journalist who should know better then getting into fights with strangers on social media.

Been appears to be very thin-skinned - a bit like the female version of this annoying pcs guy. Only a coincidence that they are both Dutch? :D
Well, José wasn't getting into fights, she just commented on something that was doing the rounds on social media and MC jumped on it. José's initial comment wasn't mean spirited in any way.
Later, MC called her obese, and pointed to Armstrong as an example that cancer survivors can still be "assholes".
I know many don't like José, I don't mind her, but fair enough. However, I don't think it's acceptable for anyone to defend what MC said to her just because they do not like José as a person or as a commentator.

MC needs a brain-to-tweet filter. I've lost count how many times she's dug a hole for herself by tweeting something offensive or stupid, deleting it afterwards.

If she finds one, I think it would be beneficial to give one to Been aswell.
 
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Bye Bye Bicycle said:
Been appears to be very thin-skinned - a bit like the female version of this annoying pcs guy. Only a coincidence that they are both Dutch? :D
FWIW I think Been is a kind person at heart who just needs to spend less time on social media and as you say, is a bit thin-skinned. PCS dude is an *** plain and simple, no way around it.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
GenericBoonenFan said:
LaFlorecita said:
GenericBoonenFan said:
If she finds one, I think it would be beneficial to give one to Been aswell.
Your obsession with her is pretty sad.

Same is your obsession with defending her every step.
I will defend someone if I feel people are being unfair to that person.

Again: same
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Bye Bye Bicycle said:
There's a reason this whole conversation got deleted by both parties. It wasn't very beneficial for either of them. The matter is: one of those two parties is a professional journalist who should know better then getting into fights with strangers on social media.

Been appears to be very thin-skinned - a bit like the female version of this annoying pcs guy. Only a coincidence that they are both Dutch? :D
Well, José wasn't getting into fights, she just commented on something that was doing the rounds on social media and MC jumped on it. José's initial comment wasn't mean spirited in any way.
Later, MC called her obese, and pointed to Armstrong as an example that cancer survivors can still be "assholes".
I know many don't like José, I don't mind her, but fair enough. However, I don't think it's acceptable for anyone to defend what MC said to her just because they do not like José as a person or as a commentator.

MC needs a brain-to-tweet filter. I've lost count how many times she's dug a hole for herself by tweeting something offensive or stupid and deleting it afterwards.
Yep, Cound is a disgraceful bully - straight out of the Armstrong school of sociopaths. She's proved that time and time again. Been has every right to comment on Froome's weight - he's a professional athlete, in the public eye, in a sport where weight is of critical importance. Cound has no right to do the same to Been; her weight has nothing to do with her job or her public persona. Basically calling her fat serves no purpose other than to humiliate her. Cound is just a despicable woman.