Comprehensive Climbers Ranking

[VayaVayaVaya]

Did someone use Claude Code to create a poster?

 

[Netserk]

Did someone use Claude Code to create a poster?

good idea to ask here , i thought my response could already trigger a ban ( dear toby has previously been punished for responding to a bot )

 

[proffate]

Padun with the best performance of the year. What a *** legend! He was so good that Bahrain team left him home before the Tour! (apparently he was glowing in the dark)

Drive by shooting

I also love that Froome is like tier 7

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

And Remco ahead of Roglic and Contador and two tiers ahead of Froome, even though we decided in his thread he isn’t a climber.

 

[Red Rick]

And Remco ahead of Roglic and Contador and two tiers ahead of Froome, even though we decided in his thread he isn’t a climber.

Cross era's comparisons. Its like saying Alexander Zverev is a better tennis player than Rod Laver ever was

 

[Peyresourde]

Many here mean it is a joke, but the Remco talk is really getting ridiculous. A lot of riders on my Top 50 rankings and countless others fail all the time. I was barely able to scratch together 10 decent performances for several riders on the list (and that is in a 10+ year career). Riders like Sastre, Ullrich, Schleck, Berzin, Zülle, Leblanc and yes, also Contador etc. often disappointed.

It is the norm in cycling to fail more often than to succeed. Remco has at least one good climbing performance every year since 2022. This is already a lot more than many others. A lot of older riders you might think were good climbers have won almost nothing in their whole career and were 3 times more inconsistent.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Cross era's comparisons. Its like saying Alexander Zverev is a better tennis player than Rod Laver ever was

Exactly. In Remco's era nutrition is much better than in the 2010s. Only in the 90s food quality was comparable.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Exactly. In Remco's era nutrition is much better than in the 2010s. Only in the 90s food quality was comparable.

Back in the De Vlaeminck's day they had to eat the forks and knives because food hadn't been invented yet. He would have taken everyone to school if he had been racing today.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The way i see it is Rogla is listed in this metric, that is a plus, as for perceived tiers and beyond. Pogi is listed at the very top and i know that Rogla has beaten Pogi at a GT race, week long stage race and at a monument. And yeah, that is good enough for me.

All in all i am appreciative of the effort invested, that is in the end of much more value then some number.

 

[Netserk]

Many here mean it is a joke, but the Remco talk is really getting ridiculous. A lot of riders on my Top 50 rankings and countless others fail all the time. I was barely able to scratch together 10 decent performances for several riders on the list (and that is in a 10+ year career). Riders like Sastre, Ullrich, Schleck, Berzin, Zülle, Leblanc and yes, also Contador etc. often disappointed.

It is the norm in cycling to fail more often than to succeed. Remco has at least one good climbing performance every year since 2022. This is already a lot more than many others. A lot of older riders you might think were good climbers have won almost nothing in their whole career and were 3 times more inconsistent.

his best 30 minute climb was hautacam, no

 

[Peyresourde]

his best 30 minute climb was hautacam, no

?? Are you talking about Evenepoel last year?

 

[Red Rick]

Many here mean it is a joke, but the Remco talk is really getting ridiculous. A lot of riders on my Top 50 rankings and countless others fail all the time. I was barely able to scratch together 10 decent performances for several riders on the list (and that is in a 10+ year career). Riders like Sastre, Ullrich, Schleck, Berzin, Zülle, Leblanc and yes, also Contador etc. often disappointed.

It is the norm in cycling to fail more often than to succeed. Remco has at least one good climbing performance every year since 2022. This is already a lot more than many others. A lot of older riders you might think were good climbers have won almost nothing in their whole career and were 3 times more inconsistent.

Well, there was a fairly specific reason for riders from a certain era being inconsistent......

Recently, most riders fluctuate in level far less than Evenepoel does.

 

[Netserk]

?? Are you talking about Evenepoel last year?

yep

that or the second dauphine mtf

 

[Peyresourde]

Well, there was a fairly specific reason for riders from a certain era being inconsistent......

Recently, most riders fluctuate in level far less than Evenepoel does.

This explains it for some riders, but it is far from the only reason. I think for Ullrich that was the only consistent part of his prep...
Now we also have Hindley, Ayuso, Kuss who gets 0.5 w/kg boost in GTs, Landa etc. Often, there are easy explanations when riders underperform. For Evenepoel it seems more complicated sometimes. I also find it interesting to discuss the reasons.

As I have mentioned, consistency is worth a lot and so it is natural to mentally downgrade Evenepoel a bit from his place in my ranking. I would still stay that from my Top 50, only 10-15 riders actually climb(ed) consistently good over long stretches of their careers.

yep

that or the second dauphine mtf

If you are strictly talking 30+ minutes, Valmeinier in the Dauphine was the best (77, which is not bad and would be a Top 10 career effort for many decent climbers). Overall, it was Ganda (86). I see no real reason to make a distinction between 20 and 30 minute efforts, it has the same physical requirements.