Contador 2010

[ravens]

Watch the end of that stage and the Alberto fake head lunge.
Pathetic - not funny at all

So what if Alberto and the Schlecks are good buds. They vacation together.
Not so bad that Alberto gifts the win in exchange for GC time...done all the time.
But the fake lunge at the end was pathetic. puleez AC, just gift it.
Oh yah, they also share the same OB/GYN...

I thought you were kidding, and everyone else was just oblivious to the tongue in cheek shtick, but you seem to be sticking with that line. Way to drop an a-bomb on your credibility.

 

[ravens]

What a difference a day makes.
24 hours on and Crankie is suddenly not so keen on the 2008 Giro, that he proudly announced Bruyneel had won.
He's got more mood swings than a bunch of teenage girls on absinthe.

good one!!

 

[Carboncrank]

just checking, are you talking about Alberto Contador ? as in he does not attack in races ? just want to be real clear hear before i call you out

Really, I don't recall him attacking solo that much. You could argue it's because he's worked for a Director that has a conservative approach. He has hasn't needed to. I am talking about grand tours as the ones that count.

 

[BroDeal]

Really, I don't recall him attacking solo that much. You could argue it's because he's worked for a Director that has a conservative approach. He has hasn't needed to. I am talking about grand tours as the ones that count.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Really, I don't recall him attacking solo that much.[...]

An, of course, in your egocentric mind, if you "don't recall" means it did not happen. What really happened does not matter, because if you can't remember it, it did not happen. Even if you've got 6 or 7 people telling you differently.

Ego trips are a bitch dude.

 

[peloton]

well played!

 

[Race Radio]

Really, I don't recall him attacking solo that much.

Lets see, you can't spell, believe in miracles, have serious anger management issues, a persecution complex, fight with everyone, and now your memory is gone.

It is time to put down the bottle and go see the doctor.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Really, I don't recall him attacking solo that much. You could argue it's because he's worked for a Director that has a conservative approach. He has hasn't needed to. I am talking about grand tours as the ones that count.

Some friendly advice.

 

[lagartija]

Really, I don't recall him attacking solo that much. You could argue it's because he's worked for a Director that has a conservative approach. He has hasn't needed to. I am talking about grand tours as the ones that count.

grand tours as the one that counts.......huh ? this is a cycling forum right ? attacking in a bike race is the question is it not ? im not really going to continue this tangent because if you actually believe that berto is a non attacking conservative rider, one that others believe to be a bit impetuous then all i can say is sit down and rewatch the 07 tour, yeah the the one rasmussen almost won and then tell me he doesnt attack...........i can come up with other examples but i just happen to enjoy that particular race.............

 

[Hugh Januss]

Lets see, you can't spell, believe in miracles, have serious anger management issues, a persecution complex, fight with everyone, and now your memory is gone.

It is time to put down the bottle and go see the doctor.

Some friendly advice.

Please get this checked out. We may have saved someones life today.

 

[ravens]

Really, I don't recall him attacking solo that much. You could argue it's because he's worked for a Director that has a conservative approach. He has hasn't needed to. I am talking about grand tours as the ones that count.

Dude, I know this is none of my business. I don't try and argue/debate pro-cycling here for the same reason I don't try boxing Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather. Some of these guys have been breathing pro-cycling for like 40 years. And procycling is not just limited to GT's.

You're hopelessly outwitted not only on a regular basis, but on every post. I think if I got schooled one or two times, I'd stfu, but you seem to have an endless appetite for it. Why?

 

[Carboncrank]

Excuse me, but did you even watch those races? In the 2007 Tour, he attacked on Col du Galibier on the final alpine stage, but was caught downhill. He attacked again on Plateau de Beille, and the stage Vinokourov won, he was a maniac, attacking Rasmussen all the way up Col de Peyresourde. He continued his attacking on Aubisque, but couldn't drop Rasmussen, and ended up cracking.

He wasn't prepared for the 2008 Giro, and in the Vuelta he did more than attack once. He attacked on Rabassa and gained some seconds. I think he attacked the next day too, but I don't really remember if it was him or Valverde who started it. He cracked everyone with his attacks on Angliru, and attacked again on Fuentes de Invierno. In the 2009 Tour, Bruyneel controlled everything, but he still attacked several times. On Arcalis, Verbier and Colombiere. Unfortunately, Bruyneel gave him restrictions. Who knows how big his winning margine would've been if Armstrong hadn't been on his team?

If you want to count attacks that don't work your going to end up with a pretty big list of "Attacking" riders. Attacks the affect the outcome are a different thing altogether.
He finished 5:25 back on the Peyresourde stage.

One attack in the the 09 tour was great. It won him the race. The other 2 no real function other than evidently entertaining you.

What difference does winning margin make? Personally, I loved it when he and Johann didn't panic when his margin went to 4 seconds in the 08 Giro. They knew he could out time trial the guys behind him. It was smart. I like smart.

The point that was make was that his supposed attacking style and some quality only described in French made him somehow better than Lance. I just happen to think that is crap.

 

[BYOP88]

If you want to count attacks that don't work your going to end up with a pretty big list of "Attacking" riders. Attacks the affect the outcome are a different thing altogether.
He finished 5:25 back on the Peyresourde stage.

One attack in the the 09 tour was great. It won him the race. The other 2 no real function other than evidently entertaining you.

What difference does winning margin make? Personally, I loved it when he and Johann didn't panic when his margin went to 4 seconds in the 08 Giro. They knew he could out time trial the guys behind him. It was smart. I like smart.

The point that was make was that his supposed attacking style and some quality only described in French made him somehow better than Lance. I just happen to think that is crap.

Ok me old mucker, can you please direct me to some video footage of Lance attacking(not in the last km after he's had his teammates do all the work), obviously any footage you post will show me what "proper" attacking done with panache and verve is.

 

[MrContador]

If you want to count attacks that don't work your going to end up with a pretty big list of "Attacking" riders. Attacks the affect the outcome are a different thing altogether.
He finished 5:25 back on the Peyresourde stage.

One attack in the the 09 tour was great. It won him the race. The other 2 no real function other than evidently entertaining you.

What difference does winning margin make? Personally, I loved it when he and Johann didn't panic when his margin went to 4 seconds in the 08 Giro. They knew he could out time trial the guys behind him. It was smart. I like smart.

The point that was make was that his supposed attacking style and some quality only described in French made him somehow better than Lance. I just happen to think that is crap.

Either you're just trolling, or you're mentally disturbed. It's either one.

If we only should count attack that works, we will get a completely wrong idea of an attacking rider. I take you have heard of a certain rider called Jacky Durand? Would you say he wasn't an attacking rider because the attacks he went with rarely worked?

You're argument that he finished 5.25 back on the Peyresourde stage is incredible flawed, so I take it you didn't watch that stage. Vinokourov was in a breakaway, hence he won the gap with such a large amount of time. By that logic, Armstrong is a sucky climber because Botero beat him by 6 and a half minute on the stage to Les Deux Alpes in the 2002 Tour.

In the 2009 Tour, he attacked on Arcalis and got more than 20 seconds. Not much, but still time gained. On Verbier, he destroyed everyone, and on Col de Colombiere he had to stop attacking because Klöden struggled. If not, he would probably have gapped the Schleck brothers.

And Contador is better than Armstrong. Just look at Armstrong's palmares at the age of 27 compared to Contador's. And if Contador continue to pick up wins the way he has the last couple of years for 5 years more, he will win a lot more than Armstrong has ever done.

And sorry if I've got any typing errors or stuff. It's 05.00 in the morning here.

 

[Race Radio]

Either you're just trolling, or you're mentally disturbed. It's either one.
I take you have heard of a certain rider called Jacky Durand?

He is troll, He is mentally disturbed, and he has never heard of Doudou.

 

[ErmOkk]

Either you're just trolling, or you're mentally disturbed. It's either one.

If we only should count attack that works, we will get a completely wrong idea of an attacking rider. I take you have heard of a certain rider called Jacky Durand? Would you say he wasn't an attacking rider because the attacks he went with rarely worked?

You're argument that he finished 5.25 back on the Peyresourde stage is incredible flawed, so I take it you didn't watch that stage. Vinokourov was in a breakaway, hence he won the gap with such a large amount of time. By that logic, Armstrong is a sucky climber because Botero beat him by 6 and a half minute on the stage to Les Deux Alpes in the 2002 Tour.

In the 2009 Tour, he attacked on Arcalis and got more than 20 seconds. Not much, but still time gained. On Verbier, he destroyed everyone, and on Col de Colombiere he had to stop attacking because Klöden struggled. If not, he would probably have gapped the Schleck brothers.

And Contador is better than Armstrong. Just look at Armstrong's palmares at the age of 27 compared to Contador's. And if Contador continue to pick up wins the way he has the last couple of years for 5 years more, he will win a lot more than Armstrong has ever done.

And sorry if I've got any typing errors or stuff. It's 05.00 in the morning here.

Hmm I'm not so sure that he just stopped attacking because Klöden dropped, he wasn't really listening to JB anyway I think. I dunno, I think that was the only day he felt that he was blowing himself up by riding faster than the Shlecks, because when he had the legs he surely wanted to win solo at the line. Merckx thought the same when he was interviewed by belgian TV.

My post is kinda off topic though, I'm sorry for that, just saying that the flying spaniard might also have had his limits in the TdF 2009, and I hope for the tension that he actually cracks a bit in a top mountain finish to show his vulnerability. We all know only AS&FS can do so . Again off topic, my bad .

 

[Rominger]

Reality check time.

Let's see. He's all the way to stage 14 of the 07 TdF before he does anything and finishes same time with Rass in kind of a last man standing kind of climb. No attacking wins the rest of the tour.

08 Giro. wins by 04 seconds in a time management win.

08 Vuelta. 1 attacking win.

Out of 4 grand tour wins, there is 1 where he was aggressive.

How many times did you seen "the look' from Lance?

You go all romantic, throw in a little French and suddenly you're talking about a rider that does not yet exist.

OK lets forget the GT's for a minute, get yourself the DVD's of Paris-Nice 2006 and 2007 and then say the guy never attacks.

 

[Mellow Velo]

OK lets forget the GT's for a minute, get yourself the DVD's of Paris-Nice 2006 and 2007 and then say the guy never attacks.

Yup, I was about to post that suggestion, too.
2006, he was up the road, whenever the road went up.

2007 Paris-Nice:
Stage 4 attacked on the Mende finish.
Stage 6 attacked on the Col du Tanneron, 25 km out, caught on the line.
Stage 7 attacked at the foot of the Col d'Eze, 25kms out. Stayed away and won the race.

To me, Lance changed his MO, around 2002/3. Attack from distance, on the first MTF and make it count. Then, use the train to defend. Follow any attacks. Use the ITT to consolidate.
From 2002 on, if Heras is in form, use him to within a km or two. Always use the train, when possible, to defend.
If not, sit on opponents, use them up, then attack. Use the ITT to consolidate.

Yes, riveting stuff.

 

[Oldman]

Ok me old mucker, can you please direct me to some video footage of Lance attacking(not in the last km after he's had his teammates do all the work), obviously any footage you post will show me what "proper" attacking done with panache and verve is.

+1. Every attack in a race potentially affects the outcome, particularly in a stage race. Maybe not that second, minute, hour or stage. Sheesh, CC should just get on a bike for awhile until he's fit enough to get a proper rodgering from a really good rider.

 

[Publicus]

Hmm I'm not so sure that he just stopped attacking because Klöden dropped, he wasn't really listening to JB anyway I think. I dunno, I think that was the only day he felt that he was blowing himself up by riding faster than the Shlecks, because when he had the legs he surely wanted to win solo at the line. Merckx thought the same when he was interviewed by belgian TV.

My post is kinda off topic though, I'm sorry for that, just saying that the flying spaniard might also have had his limits in the TdF 2009, and I hope for the tension that he actually cracks a bit in a top mountain finish to show his vulnerability. We all know only AS&FS can do so . Again off topic, my bad .

Well here's what he said in his blogpost:

22/07/09 - 20:08 GMT+2

Stage 17
Hi, everybody – Today would’ve been a day to be happy about the situation in the general, but I feel like **** since my teammate Klöden slipped off the back of the leading group after pulling. I talked to him earlier about attacking, and he gave me the OK. I did, the Schleck brothers responded, but Andreas couldn’t. When I saw it, I stopped, but he wasn’t able to get back. Apart from that, we improved the situation in the general with this stage, and physically, I’m feeling good. One less day!!

http://www.albertocontador.com/blog.php

 

[Carboncrank]

Either you're just trolling, or you're mentally disturbed. It's either one.

If we only should count attack that works, we will get a completely wrong idea of an attacking rider. I take you have heard of a certain rider called Jacky Durand? Would you say he wasn't an attacking rider because the attacks he went with rarely worked?

The guy that got disqualified from the TdF for holding onto cars? That Durand? Admiring someone for unsuccessful attacks is like admiring someone for sticking a fork into their forhead instead of their mouth.

You're argument that he finished 5.25 back on the Peyresourde stage is incredible flawed, so I take it you didn't watch that stage. Vinokourov was in a breakaway, hence he won the gap with such a large amount of time. By that logic, Armstrong is a sucky climber because Botero beat him by 6 and a half minute on the stage to Les Deux Alpes in the 2002 Tour.

He finished 10th. If I'm remembering right he cracked.

And Contador is better than Armstrong. Just look at Armstrong's palmares at the age of 27 compared to Contador's.

Age comparing the two as you should know is completely beneath ignorant. It's an insult.

Alberto was winning 2 grand tours at the age Lance was dying of cancer.

At age 27 Lance was in his first year of riding after surviving.

 

[Carboncrank]

In the 2009 Tour, he attacked on Arcalis and got more than 20 seconds. Not much, but still time gained. On Verbier, he destroyed everyone, and on Col de Colombiere he had to stop attacking because Klöden struggled. If not, he would probably have gapped the Schleck brothers.

He did not "stop attacking". He left Kloden behind and the Schlecks rightly pounced on it.

 

[BroDeal]

He did not "stop attacking". He left Kloden behind and the Schlecks rightly pounced on it.

They say seeing is believing, but it is amazing how this knob only sees what he wants to see.

 

[BYOP88]

Age comparing the two as you should know is completely beneath ignorant. It's an insult.

Alberto was winning 2 grand tours at the age Lance was dying of cancer.

At age 27 Lance was in his first year of riding after surviving.

Ok if he was dying of cancer wouldn't that imply he died/dies of cancer, maybe battling cancer would be a better phrase, there are probably a few more you could use.

Just out of interest why is it an insult to compare both riders when they're were 25 or 26 or in the future when Contador is Lance's age?

 

[MrContador]

The guy that got disqualified from the TdF for holding onto cars? That Durand? Admiring someone for unsuccessful attacks is like admiring someone for sticking a fork into their forhead instead of their mouth.

Well, you said Contador wasn't an attacking rider, and no matter whether your attacks are succesfull or not, you will still be an attacking rider if you attack a lot.

He finished 10th. If I'm remembering right he cracked.

Ok, then I got proof you didn't watch the stage. All the riders ahead of him were in the breakaway. You should read this: http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?id=results/tour0715

Age comparing the two as you should know is completely beneath ignorant. It's an insult.

Alberto was winning 2 grand tours at the age Lance was dying of cancer.

At age 27 Lance was in his first year of riding after surviving.

Would it be more fair to compare the results of a guy who has been racing pro for 15 years against a rider who has ridden 7 years pro?

He did not "stop attacking". He left Kloden behind and the Schlecks rightly pounced on it.

Please look at the stage again. Contador attacks, but immediately stop his attack when he see Klöden struggles. Then he sit down at the back of the group refusing to take relays and constantly looking back to see have far behind Klöden is.