BroDeal said:
Nice of you to drop by for your daily insult, but I'm not taking the bait.
They caught him. Pure and simple. He gave in in the end when he say he couldn't hold a gap on them that was going to survive the descent. It had absolutely nothing to do with Kolden. Kloden finished two and a half minuted behind.
http://www.steephill.tv/players/vimeo/large.php?title=tdf-st17-highlights&id=5718703
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Age is kind of important, and pertinent, because Contador has a chance to win a third Tour de France and possibly a second Vuelta before the age that LA won his first Tour. Oh, and some of us think the Giro win means something as well, what with him being called away from the vacation he takes during poplar season, and having to race against souped-up Sella and Ricco while riding with a broken arm, or elbow or whatever.
Personally I don't think cancer deserves a mention, because people used to say that LA was built like a wide receiver, and with the upper body bulk he had all those years, experts said he would never be good in the mountains, and he said that the change in his body made all the difference. So without it, there might not have ever been more than stage wins.
Besides, Contador missed his first Tour de France because of brain issues that could have kept him home bound and dependent. He's told the story a number of times, but here's video of a recent interview.
http://vimeo.com/9306756
And here's another one where he explains why winning the Willunga Hill Stage of the Tour Down Under was the best day of his career, after surviving brain surgery and a lot of scary times where doctors couldn't identify the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/user/specialized411#p/c/4610EFDA832A9F92/0/Zh7-Mc0W_Ac
He also was kept out of two other Tours de France - the Astana one everyone mentions, and another after Operacion Puerto. So while he still hasn't even entered his prime, just think if he hadn't missed the training and racing when he was ill, and the TdF from Puerto.
I just re-upped here, as much as anything so I can benefit from the ignore list. I've checked back here time and again, and let's face it, there are a number of horses that have been beaten to death and beyond. One of the reasons I left before was because the things that most often end up in replies are the nonsense I'm trying to ignore in the first place.
It really is 2010. LA and JB are off doing their own thing and really have nothing to do with Alberto at least until the Tour de France. But the Volta Ao Algarve starts Wednesday, where Contador, along with Hernandez, Noval, Navarro, De La Fuente, Grivko, Gourov, & Renev will take on former teammates Leipheimer, Kloden, Paulinho and Vaitkus.
There will be a star-studded cast for Paris-Nice, which LA isn't riding, and Catalunya, the same, and Pais Vasco, where...nope, no LA. Contador will do the Dauphine while whatchacallit will probably end up at the Suisse.
I think it's time that LA & JB get swept out of the thread until they have the courtesy to make the "rivalry" more than trash talk, by, I dunno - competing.
Have a great day. I'll be back when the air has cleared a bit.
Personally I don't think cancer deserves a mention, because people used to say that LA was built like a wide receiver, and with the upper body bulk he had all those years, experts said he would never be good in the mountains, and he said that the change in his body made all the difference. So without it, there might not have ever been more than stage wins.
Besides, Contador missed his first Tour de France because of brain issues that could have kept him home bound and dependent. He's told the story a number of times, but here's video of a recent interview.
http://vimeo.com/9306756
And here's another one where he explains why winning the Willunga Hill Stage of the Tour Down Under was the best day of his career, after surviving brain surgery and a lot of scary times where doctors couldn't identify the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/user/specialized411#p/c/4610EFDA832A9F92/0/Zh7-Mc0W_Ac
He also was kept out of two other Tours de France - the Astana one everyone mentions, and another after Operacion Puerto. So while he still hasn't even entered his prime, just think if he hadn't missed the training and racing when he was ill, and the TdF from Puerto.
I just re-upped here, as much as anything so I can benefit from the ignore list. I've checked back here time and again, and let's face it, there are a number of horses that have been beaten to death and beyond. One of the reasons I left before was because the things that most often end up in replies are the nonsense I'm trying to ignore in the first place.
It really is 2010. LA and JB are off doing their own thing and really have nothing to do with Alberto at least until the Tour de France. But the Volta Ao Algarve starts Wednesday, where Contador, along with Hernandez, Noval, Navarro, De La Fuente, Grivko, Gourov, & Renev will take on former teammates Leipheimer, Kloden, Paulinho and Vaitkus.
There will be a star-studded cast for Paris-Nice, which LA isn't riding, and Catalunya, the same, and Pais Vasco, where...nope, no LA. Contador will do the Dauphine while whatchacallit will probably end up at the Suisse.
I think it's time that LA & JB get swept out of the thread until they have the courtesy to make the "rivalry" more than trash talk, by, I dunno - competing.
Have a great day. I'll be back when the air has cleared a bit.
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Carboncrank said:
The troll has discovered Wikipedia
Carboncrank said:
Flanders? Paris Tours? French National Championships? Have you ever heard of them? they are big races that are not in July.
BYOP88 said:
No, and I don't think any cancer survivors would have a problem with portraying it that way either. He was dying. He would have died, soon. Treatments saved his life.
"Hey Lance, I think Alberto is better because he won the Giro at the same age you were hooked up to tubes getting chemotherapy!!"
Do you get the insult now?
As for when AC's 37 and not competitive you'll just say it's because he has more racing in his legs.
Maybe someday AC will be as good or better than Lance was. It remains to be seen just like Tiger Woods is not better than Jack Nicholas until he breaks Jack's majors record. Johan has called him the next Lance repeatedly.
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Carboncrank said:
No still don't get how it's an insult.
So because Lance didn't ride for a year or 2 and hadn't won a GT before his hiatus, any rider who wins a GT before the age of twenty-something can't actually count it in their career total because Lance wasn't riding/winning GT's at that age.
I very much doubt that Contador will be riding at 37, plus I don't think he's that insecure and doesn't need an army of minions blowing smoke up his a$$ unlike Lance. I actually bet Lance loves being talked about even when people aren't nice about him and that's part of the reason he came back cos people were not talking about him and the other reason is because of his love of green.
Plus Contador has done something Armstrong will never do 2 GT's in a season and to be considered great you have to win 2 GT's in a season, check out some of the other riders from the sports past who've won 2 in a season.
Carboncrank said:
My mother was never dying from cancer. She simply had cancer. I think most people with cancer would like to think of it as something they have, not something they are dying from.
Carboncrank said:
Alberto had also won the Tour, and would shortly win the Vuelta, something that prior to Ferrari Armstrong had never shown any intention to do, any desire to, and in his owns words any ability to.
Carboncrank said:
You cannot say he will not be competitive at 37, that is over 10 years away, you talk about posters straw-manning arguments to the detriment of Armstrong, yet you are just as guilty of one. I for one think it will be 3/4 years most before Alberto has won more GTs than StrongArm. I mean, he has 4 already, he would only have to do 1 a year...
Carboncrank said:
It is not just about the numbers, it is also about the spirit of the sport, something Lance has torn out, shredded and left in an alley out back for the benefit of his own ego
What spurious nonsense is on tonight's a la carte menu?
Ahah........OK......Lance rose from the dead....right.....
.....that explains why the fanboys worship the second coming.
Hang on a minute, though, I thought that cancer gave him the physique to win the Tour and without the "wonder change", Lance would have remained a classics rider whose measure of TDF success, was whether or not he got to Paris?
So, use cancer to explain why Armstrong could win the Tour, but blame cancer because Armstrong wasn't winning Tours at Contador's age.
Have I got that right?
What wine should one drink with bullshit?
Ahah........OK......Lance rose from the dead....right.....
.....that explains why the fanboys worship the second coming.
Hang on a minute, though, I thought that cancer gave him the physique to win the Tour and without the "wonder change", Lance would have remained a classics rider whose measure of TDF success, was whether or not he got to Paris?
So, use cancer to explain why Armstrong could win the Tour, but blame cancer because Armstrong wasn't winning Tours at Contador's age.
Have I got that right?
What wine should one drink with bullshit?
'When you're 30 you're not gonna be 9 minutes faster than you are at 21 but maybe in three years I will be three minutes faster' (Lance Armstrong, 1993 'Inside the Tour de France' by David Walsh)
Yet we're expected to believe, at 38, he will be over 5 minutes faster than he was at 37?
The point has already been made about Contador's brain injury but bears repeating. His brother, who suffers the same genetic condition, is severely disabled and much of what Contador has achieved is to pay for his brother's care. He is on epilepsy medication and prone to fitting. But I guess strokes just aren't as 'sexy' as cancer. And staying in your home town with the people you grew up with (in order to care for someone very close to you) is just something worthy of ridicule, right Mr Armstrong?
BTW 'The Neophyte's Tale' from which the above quote is taken is well worth a read. Walsh is clearly taken by the young Texan rider 'the naturally articulate and confident American who considered only the opportunities' who is 'at once strong, capable and vulnerable. An ambitious, intelligent, intersting kid'. Now, what changed Walsh's good opinion between 1993 and 'LA Confidentiel'?
Yet we're expected to believe, at 38, he will be over 5 minutes faster than he was at 37?
The point has already been made about Contador's brain injury but bears repeating. His brother, who suffers the same genetic condition, is severely disabled and much of what Contador has achieved is to pay for his brother's care. He is on epilepsy medication and prone to fitting. But I guess strokes just aren't as 'sexy' as cancer. And staying in your home town with the people you grew up with (in order to care for someone very close to you) is just something worthy of ridicule, right Mr Armstrong?
BTW 'The Neophyte's Tale' from which the above quote is taken is well worth a read. Walsh is clearly taken by the young Texan rider 'the naturally articulate and confident American who considered only the opportunities' who is 'at once strong, capable and vulnerable. An ambitious, intelligent, intersting kid'. Now, what changed Walsh's good opinion between 1993 and 'LA Confidentiel'?
Big GMaC said:
At least that's the opinion on internet forums. Looked to me like he was pretty well received in France last year and he's respected by his peers and former greats like Merckx. He's always been respectful of tour history and speaks a lot more French than Contador speaks either French or English.
To bring this back to AC. Do you think Vino's performance at the Méditerranéen climbing stage was good? Looks from the gap like he cracked. If he's going to be of use to Contador he needs to at least be the equal to Valverde.
bianchigirl said:
If I claimed something like that you'd probably be all over me talking about how grand tours are not a race against the clock and I must be a know nothing to think something like a number in minutes is what matters in the TdF.
MrContador said:
I gave you a link to the Video!! There are others. Do you think he suddenly felt sorry for leaving him behind? Get back to me when reality sinks in.
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Carboncrank said:
Two things: (1) it's February and it was unseasonably cold during the race, so I don't know that there is much that can be taken from Vino's form. He indicated that he was tired after Stage 4, so who knows; plus Maxim Iglinsky was able to secure a podium position, so that's a good result for Astana (finished just off the Valverde group). (2) Where did you get this Valverde standard? He's one of the best riders in the peloton, so either you are GROSSLY underestimating Valverde or GROSSLY overestimating others, but in either case, your comparison is well off the mark. Heck your beloved Armstrong couldn't match him either, so maybe that means Vino is going to be QUITE useful to AC.
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Carboncrank said:
Yet it is clear you did not watch the video. Moreover, we know EXACTLY what AC was thinking and why he shut down the attack on Colombiere. There is no need to speculate and no need to rely on your powers of observation. Merely read the words:
That's reality.
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Carboncrank said:
Wrong. Contador speaks English well, about the same as Armstrong's French if not better. At their recent training camp he did most of his interviews in English.
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Carboncrank said:
You mean the video that clearly shows Contador looking back and sitting up before the brothers catch him. The anouncer even says "Contador slowed down and was then rejoined by Frank and Andy Schleck" as we saw Contador looking back past the Schlecks to see if Kloden could rejoin.He couldn't probably because he was tired from dragging Lances slack ass around for the previous 10 days.
If you don't even know how to interpret the links you provide maybe you should give it a rest. I would recommend signing up for one of Chris Comical's $500 a day "training camps" so you you could maybe learn enough that you don't come across like a total knob when you try to talk cycling, maybe you can get Lance to foot the bill.
BYOP88 said:
Just a quick FYI. The bold part is pretty much the definition of narcissism. Lance is a Narcissist.
First few paragraphs of the def form wikipedia:
The term narcissism refers to the personality trait of egotism, which includes the set of character traits concerned with self-image ego. The terms narcissism, narcissistic, and narcissist are often used as pejoratives, denoting vanity, conceit, egotism or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others.
The name "narcissism" is derived from Greek mythology. Narcissus was a handsome Greek youth who rejected the desperate advances of the nymph Echo. As punishment, he was doomed to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool of water. Unable to consummate his love, Narcissus pined away and changed into the flower that bears his name, the narcissus.
Freud believed that some narcissism is an essential part of all of us from birth.[1] Andrew P. Morrison claims that, in adults, a reasonable amount of healthy narcissism allows the individual's perception of his needs to be balanced in relation to others.
The bold section will probably inspire a certain troll to argue that Lance is not a narcissist due to his charities. Yawn.
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Mellow Velo said:
I don't think there are enough tannins in the world to obscure that flavor.
I guess grain alcohol may be a start and work your way on to the hard stuff from there.
Publicus said:
I don't respond to CC's posts, so indirectly I will here. I did not need to see AC's blog or a replay after I watched it live. I saw AC attack (even though he never does)
, I remember shouting 'There he goes!' and immediately shut it down when Kloden was dropped and then I shouted 'oh f---' or something.I don't know how little you have to see of AC to know that was an aborted attack, but not much.
Seriously, if THAT is confusing to you or you can't see it for what it is, then maybe watching ANY sporting event is just not for you. I have begun to hope you are merely trolling and not actually that obtuse.
Publicus said:
I could be underestimating Valverde. I see him a really good rider who probably can't win the tour.
When did he beat Lance?
Good showing by Iglinsky but I still don't see him as key as Vino in July.
Quote:
22/07/09 - 20:08 GMT+2
Stage 17
Hi, everybody – Today would’ve been a day to be happy about the situation in the general, but I feel like **** since my teammate Klöden slipped off the back of the leading group after pulling. I talked to him earlier about attacking, and he gave me the OK. I did, the Schleck brothers responded, but Andreas couldn’t. When I saw it, I stopped, but he wasn’t able to get back. Apart from that, we improved the situation in the general with this stage, and physically, I’m feeling good. One less day!!
I saw him look back and Kloden was nowhere to be found. Looked to me like he was just admitting to himself that they were going to catch him on the descent anyway.
22/07/09 - 20:08 GMT+2
Stage 17
Hi, everybody – Today would’ve been a day to be happy about the situation in the general, but I feel like **** since my teammate Klöden slipped off the back of the leading group after pulling. I talked to him earlier about attacking, and he gave me the OK. I did, the Schleck brothers responded, but Andreas couldn’t. When I saw it, I stopped, but he wasn’t able to get back. Apart from that, we improved the situation in the general with this stage, and physically, I’m feeling good. One less day!!
I'll take his word for it but it just makes the attack look even worse. Go or don't go. Why this sudden concern for Kloden?Publicus said:
I saw him look back and Kloden was nowhere to be found. Looked to me like he was just admitting to himself that they were going to catch him on the descent anyway.
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