Contador 2010

[Carboncrank]

Do you think any of us really give a damn about what you plan on reading? You are as narcissistic as that fraud you defend.

As usual, you do nothing but drop by to drop a bomb.

Completely childish.

 

[Publicus]

oy vey, talk about stuck on stupid! not only has it been beaten to death, it's like jason from halloween or friday the 13th (sorry, never been a slasher fan, i don't know the diff.).

You can kill it all you want, it really doesn't care.... I think Jason/CC actually likes it.

Alternatively: I am getting a visual of that Warner Bros cartoon of the sheep dog and wiley coyote clocking in each morning with their lunch pals and then the sheep dog keeps blowing up wiley coyote all day long and at 5 o'clock the whistle blows and they clock out together, say goodbye politely and go their separate ways.

It is hilariously funny. But I can't make up my mind what's funnier: That CC keeps getting blown up or that the rest of you bother to engage him.

In any event, y'all are quite entertaining. I suppose thanks are in order, 'tho I've no idea why.

Very good illustration of what happens here. I'm officially retiring my time card.

 

[BroDeal]

As usual, you do nothing but drop by to drop a bomb.

Completely childish.

As opposed to you who does nothing but flood threads with crap.

Again, do you really think anyone gives a damn what you plan to read? Do you think its so important that you need to post about it?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Unofficial Poll*

1) How many think CC should take some time off and read the books Bianchigirl recommended, talk to some racers, and then come back recharged.

2) How many think he should continue posting huge steaming mounds of pointless and repetitive argument.

* The mods didn't seem to care for my BPC poll before.

 

[Carboncrank]

Being the consumate fanboy, trying to attribute this victory to Bruyneel, simply because he turned up and drove the car for the final stage, is being disrespectful to Yates, who planned and orchestrated the victory: period.

I guarantee you on a Johann team Johann does the planning and in the entire Giro Johann was consulted even on the days he wasn't there. Try to imagine a ti me when Bruyneel might say, "Well, I disagree with that approach, but you go ahead, it's your team. Never mind that it's my rear on the line, go ahead." I don't imaging that happens on any team.

Now, so If you can manage one post without an insult.

 

[Cerberus]

All Kloden needed was a breather.

I'm sure a breather would have been all Klöden needed to finish ahead of Andy Schleck. Assuming that by "a breather" you mean an oxygen mask.

 

[BroDeal]

Unofficial Poll*

1) How many think CC should take some time off and read the books Bianchigirl recommended, talk to some racers, and then come back recharged.

2) How many think he should continue posting huge steaming mounds of pointless and repetitive argument.

3) How many think Carboncrank should just go away, regardless of what he reads?

He ruins every thread he posts in.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I'm sure a breather would have been all Klöden needed to finish ahead of Andy Schleck. Assuming that by "a breather" you mean an oxygen mask.

Breather = Trip to Freiburg

 

[BroDeal]

Breather = Trip to Freiburg

If Kloden's blood values would have had the same bump up that Armstrong's TdF values showed then he would have been fine. Instead his performance dropped by the end of the third week, and he was not able to take advantage of his early strength in the virtually non-existent Pyrenees.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

CC start with the Equipe official history of the first 100 years of the TdF and then work your way through - Graham Watson has a good book on heroes of the TdF, Walsh's 'Inside the Tour de France' is fascinating for the chapter 'The Neophyte's Tale' alone (read and you'll find yourself wondering just what made Walsh alter his views so radically). I suggest you either have a Google for books on cycling or start a thread - there'll be plenty of recommendations from the learned and well read members of this forum.

But I don't get how you post here as if you're a master tactician and anyone who doesn't agree with Bruyneel is a fool then ask for recommendations on reading up on the history of the sport? Enlighten me.

My local library has the Equipe official history. I'll go pick it up. Thanks.
Also I ordered the Grahm Watson book from amazon.

Just becuase I rather vigourously argue my positions doesn't really mean I think I'm a master anything although my guitar chops aren't bad when I'm well practiced.

I'm repeating myself when I admit my fandom begins with what I saw of LeMond and then on Wide World of Sports which was nothing compared to the coverage available now on the net and Versus.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=1535

 

[Berzin]

If Condador had done what he was told they'd have had good shot at a podium sweep. Levi could have possibly made it all four.

The team leader has no obligation to those who are the worker bees. Domestiques are supposed to do everything possible to position the leader to get as high up on GC than possible.

That's what they get paid to do. That is their one and only job in a race as important as the Tour.

Your notion that Contador was supposed to help consolidate a domestique's position in GC is preposterous, and has absolutely no correlation to modern racing tactics.

 

[BYOP88]

The team leader has no obligation to those who are the worker bees. Domestiques are supposed to do everything possible to position the leader to get as high up on GC than possible.

That's what they get paid to do. That is their one and only job in a race as important as the Tour.

Your notion that Contador was supposed to help consolidate a domestique's position in GC is preposterous, and has absolutely no correlation to modern racing tactics.

LOL you don't get it do you, this was the latest cycling tactic created by the hog, you watch in years to come teams will race the Tour/Giro/Route Adélie/ Tour of Qinghai Lake to take a 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9. I hope you all remember who created this tactic. I mean none of you give the hog any credit after all he also came up with the 8 guys working for the leader tactic too.

 

[Race Radio]

I guarantee you on a Johann team Johann does the planning and in the entire Giro Johann was consulted even on the days he wasn't there. Try to imagine a ti me when Bruyneel might say, "Well, I disagree with that approach, but you go ahead, it's your team. Never mind that it's my rear on the line, go ahead." I don't imaging that happens on any team.

Now, so If you can manage one post without an insult.

How do you guarantee this? You have no evidence outside of propaganda and your word is proven to be worth nothing.

 

[kurtinsc]

The team leader has no obligation to those who are the worker bees. Domestiques are supposed to do everything possible to position the leader to get as high up on GC than possible.

That's what they get paid to do. That is their one and only job in a race as important as the Tour.

Your notion that Contador was supposed to help consolidate a domestique's position in GC is preposterous, and has absolutely no correlation to modern racing tactics.

On the flip side... wasn't Saxo Bank's leader working to try to get one of his "domestique's" on the podium?

 

[BYOP88]

On the flip side... wasn't Saxo Bank's leader working to try to get one of his "domestique's" on the podium?

Yeah I believe they're brothers.

 

[Hugh Januss]

How do you guarantee this? You have no evidence outside of propaganda and your word is proven to be worth nothing.

It's a well respected management technique aka "micro-managing", it's very popular in the business world.

 

[Oldman]

It's a well respected management technique aka "micro-managing", it's very popular in the business world.

Let's hope Option 2 is in play and no response is forthcoming. Put down the can of gasoline....

 

[Mellow Velo]

How do you guarantee this? You have no evidence outside of propaganda and your word is proven to be worth nothing.

Since when has CC needed something as trivial and inconvenient as evidence, to ram home his pointless point?
He probably thinks that the Giro is as predictable as the Tour.
As if the Italians would sit for three weeks, with their noses behind Levi's ass.

Bruyneel was checking out Alberto's beach recommendations.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Let's hope Option 2 is in play and no response is forthcoming. Put down the can of gasoline....

Wouldn't that be option 1?

 

[Carboncrank]

The team leader has no obligation to those who are the worker bees. Domestiques are supposed to do everything possible to position the leader to get as high up on GC than possible.

That's what they get paid to do. That is their one and only job in a race as important as the Tour.

Your notion that Contador was supposed to help consolidate a domestique's position in GC is preposterous, and has absolutely no correlation to modern racing tactics.

That's a pretty simplistic view of Grand Tour stage racing.

A possible podium sweep would have been a secondary effect of playing that stage as Johann wanted, not the primary.

The worker bees couldn't possibly get AC higher up in GC. He was leading!

Once Wiggins had been dropped all AC had to do was mark Schleck. He already had 2:30 on him. The attack created unnecessary risk. The Schlecks loved it.
If the Schlecks had attacked the end and AC covered it would have had the same result. But if he'd have given Kloden a moment or 2 he could have had help instead of being isolated. Kloden not losing time or Lance bridging up would have just been icing on the cake.
Just because it worked out doesn't mean it wasn't a dumb move.

Check Andy's comments here. 3rd interview.

http://www.steephill.tv/players/ver...instance=9CB581C0-BF42-61C5-368E-F6AC2BEFC16E

 

[Race Radio]

That's a pretty simplistic view of Grand Tour stage racing.

A possible podium sweep would have been a secondary effect of playing that stage as Johann wanted, not the primary.

The worker bees couldn't possibly get AC higher up in GC. He was leading!

Once Wiggins had been dropped all AC had to do was mark Schleck. He already had 2:30 on him. The attack created unnecessary risk. The Schlecks loved it.
If the Schlecks had attacked the end and AC covered it would have had the same result. But if he'd have given Kloden a moment or 2 he could have had help instead of being isolated. Kloden not losing time or Lance bridging up would have just been icing on the cake.
Just because it worked out doesn't mean it wasn't a dumb move.

Check Andy's comments here. 3rd interview.

http://www.steephill.tv/players/ver...instance=9CB581C0-BF42-61C5-368E-F6AC2BEFC16E

If it was so important to get Kloden on the podium why did he wait for Armstrong on the descent and lose over a minute?

 

[Oldman]

Wouldn't that be option 1?

Yes, whatever. The recommendation went unheeded.

 

[Hugh Januss]

If it was so important to get Kloden on the podium why did he wait for Armstrong on the descent and lose over a minute?

I don't think he waited, he was blown. Nibali and Armstrong went through him like shyt through a goose at the end.

 

[Berzin]

That's a pretty simplistic view of Grand Tour stage racing.

It's the only one that matters when you have a team leader to ride for. That's the name of the game. Again, you show your utter and complete ignorance of grand tour riding because all you want to do is diminish Contador and put Bruyneel and Armstrong on a pedestal.

That is your one and only mission. Jesus Christ, what the hell is it going to take to ban this idiot?

A possible podium sweep would have been a secondary effect of playing that stage as Johann wanted, not the primary.

The only reason you're moaning about this is because Armstrong and Leipheimer, when interviewed, said Contador was not riding according to team tactics. No, he was racing TO WIN. If Leipheimer or Kloden wanted to be on the podium, they were free to attack as well seeing as they really were not riding for Contador. But they weren't strong enough. Deal with it.

The worker bees couldn't possibly get AC higher up in GC. He was leading!

Then their job is done. Anything else that happens is just icing on the cake. Their personal ambitions don't mean squat to the team leader. Unless they think they can be team leaders they are all free to leave to ride for another team.

Hold it-didn't Leipheimer try that already, with no results at the Tour to speak of during his tenure at Rabobank and Gerolsteiner? And what about Kloden? A podium finish courtesy of the University of Freiburg? Very nice...

 

[Polish]

I don't think he waited, he was blown. Nibali and Armstrong went through him like shyt through a goose at the end.

I don't think Kloden was blown, he was demoralized by being stabbed in the back by Alberto.

And Alberto's fake head lunge at the end of the stage when he gifted good friend Schleck the win was disgraceful and false. boo hiss. boo.