Contador acquitted

[sartoris]

In case you didn't know, AC has just won the "Queen Stage" of Volta a Catalunya.

And he has said: "Estoy centrado en montar en la bici y en hablar en la carretera"

Which roughly translates as: "I'm focused on riding my bike and the road will speak for me".

Seriously, haters... Don't you think that with every AC's win your "Clentador" / "Dopador" theory is getting a bit more outdated?

Or has he been having beef for dinner again?

My advice: learn to love the guy, cause this season your gonna get tired of his bang bang thing

More here -----> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/volta-ciclista-a-catalunya-upt-1/stage-3/results

 

[sniper]

In case you didn't know, AC has just won the "Queen Stage" of Volta a Catalunya.

And he has said: "Estoy centrado en montar en la bici y en hablar en la carretera"

Which roughly translates as: "I'm focused on riding my bike and the road will speak for me".

Seriously, haters... Don't you think that with every AC's win your "Clentador" / "Dopador" theory is getting a bit more outdated?

Or has he been having beef for dinner again?

My advice: learn to love the guy, cause this season your gonna get tired of his bang bang thing

More here -----> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/volta-ciclista-a-catalunya-upt-1/stage-3/results

Leave it up to Riis to have his riders well prepared.
Bjarne "the Masking Agent" Riis.

 

[flicker]

In case you didn't know, AC has just won the "Queen Stage" of Volta a Catalunya.

And he has said: "Estoy centrado en montar en la bici y en hablar en la carretera"

Which roughly translates as: "I'm focused on riding my bike and the road will speak for me".

Seriously, haters... Don't you think that with every AC's win your "Clentador" / "Dopador" theory is getting a bit more outdated?

Or has he been having beef for dinner again?

My advice: learn to love the guy, cause this season your gonna get tired of his bang bang thing

More here -----> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/volta-ciclista-a-catalunya-upt-1/stage-3/results

Nothing wrong with Contadors wins. His attorney is full of bull dung though, as far as the Huffington Post article goes.

 

[Sanjūrō]

Contador's wins dont prove anything any more than his beef argument did. It does, however, suggest he was on a picture-perfect program up until the Clen incident. Whether or not for you that means he was doping all along or got there clean but got unlucky with imported beef all depends on your beliefs around the sport.

His continued remarks in the press, and now his lawyer's PR, however, are wearing me down and have pretty much destroyed what like I had for the guy to begin with. That's surely not the desired effect of the media blitz since he was acquitted, but that's its effect on me. Pretty much despise him now. More than any other rider of recent memory.

 

[bridgeman]

Is he really back to doing his pistola thing again? Does he have any idea how stupid that looks?

 

[Escarabajo]

So he is winning now, therefore he must be clean. LOL.

 

[ItsWitz]

Can't-a-dor

In case you didn't know, AC has just won the "Queen Stage" of Volta a Catalunya.

Which roughly translates as: "I'm focused on riding my bike and the road will speak for me".

Seriously, haters... Don't you think that with every AC's win your "Clentador" / "Dopador" theory is getting a bit more outdated?

My advice: learn to love the guy, cause this season your gonna get tired of his bang bang thing
]

I'm a stuborn fool for ignoring the L.A. evidence and enjoying the Tour and LA's "comback"anyway; I was even disappointed that the big crash took away the chance of a win. But Can'tador .... this is just too much even for me. Seeing him "win" races leaves a very bad taste in my mouth !!! His association w/ Riis (a liar & a cheat) is another slap in the face.

sURELY SOME mO fO here in the forums will have some insult for my opinion - that's a favorite way of demeaning/undermining another's POV, especially covered in anounimity.

I'm watching the races but, this is just too much to believe!!! HOW does a man appreciate his

"I kissed a cow that had just snorted clenbuteral" ..... what krap!!!

Witz, a former fan.

 

[D-Queued]

Everybody, except this lawyer, knows the case is about tainted meat vs. blood transfusion.

Man...

...Does it make sense that the top cyclist in the world, and likely the most tested man in the world...

This is too sad. Really.

...

And April Fool's is still a week away.

Dave.

 

[Publicus]

Everybody, except this lawyer, knows the case is about tainted meat vs. blood transfusion.

Man...



This is too sad. Really.



a +1, for a change

His lawyer is well aware of what this case is about and, more importantly, his intended audience with this article--which isn't any of us.

 

[D-Queued]

His lawyer is well aware of what this case is about and, more importantly, his intended audience with this article--which isn't any of us.

Intended or not, this audience has responded.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ramos/trust-the-facts-and-the-s_b_839547.html

Dave.

 

[GoGarmin]

Contador's wins dont prove anything any more than his beef argument did. It does, however, suggest he was on a picture-perfect program up until the Clen incident. Whether or not for you that means he was doping all along or got there clean but got unlucky with imported beef all depends on your beliefs around the sport.

His continued remarks in the press, and now his lawyer's PR, however, are wearing me down and have pretty much destroyed what like I had for the guy to begin with. That's surely not the desired effect of the media blitz since he was acquitted, but that's its effect on me. Pretty much despise him now. More than any other rider of recent memory.

I feel almost exactly the same way. When I see Contador's picture now it almost makes me sick. If he walks away from this incident scot free, I will probably walk way from the sport as a fan. It's sickening.

 

[sartoris]

I know, I know, folks!

It must be tough being a cycling fan (but not an AC fan) and seeing how AC wins every race.

And it must be even tougher seeing how the golden opportunity you all have envisaged to oust him (the clenspiration theory) seems to be fading further away with every Clentador's win.

I sympathise with you, I must admit. I felt like that during the Armstrong Age. But you'll go through it, that's for sure.

So don't worry much, sit back, relax and enjoy!! ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11BrgxGUwHI

 

[Anonymous]

In case you didn't know, AC has just won the "Queen Stage" of Volta a Catalunya.

And he has said: "Estoy centrado en montar en la bici y en hablar en la carretera"

Which roughly translates as: "I'm focused on riding my bike and the road will speak for me".

Seriously, haters... Don't you think that with every AC's win your "Clentador" / "Dopador" theory is getting a bit more outdated?

Or has he been having beef for dinner again?

My advice: learn to love the guy, cause this season your gonna get tired of his bang bang thing

More here -----> http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/volta-ciclista-a-catalunya-upt-1/stage-3/results

With every win, I think of how much of a joke RFEC is.

 

[D-Queued]

I know, I know, folks!

It must be tough being a cycling fan (but not an AC fan) and seeing how AC wins every race.

And it must be even tougher seeing how the golden opportunity you all have envisaged to oust him (the clenspiration theory) seems to be fading further away with every Clentador's win.

I sympathise with you, I must admit. I felt like that during the Armstrong Age. But you'll go through it, that's for sure.

So don't worry much, sit back, relax and enjoy!! ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11BrgxGUwHI

Methinks that someone powerful somewhere wanted to see him race in Spain again (where exactly is Catalunya, isn't the timing suspicious...?). Perhaps because that someone had a lot of financial risk already at stake (err... steak?) riding on that particular event.

Ever so convenient that OP's AC is riding in a Spanish event this week - right after RFEC declared him innocent and all? Why were they dragging their feet?

If WADA appeals after the UCI lets its opportunity lapse, then this conspiracy theory will include further UCI complicity as well.

Dave.

 

[Blakeslee]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ramos/trust-the-facts-and-the-s_b_839547.html

Wow, that article was infuriating. All of the arguments Ramos presented relating to the small amount and the one-take ingestion all ignore the elephant in the room which is the strong possibility the clenbuterol came from a blood transfusion taken on the rest day. I would still like to see more specifics from Contador and his lawyers refuting the transfusion theory, the fact that this information has not been more of a part of their public statements so far is potentially telling.

 

[sniper]

I know, I know, folks!

It must be tough being a cycling fan (but not an AC fan) and seeing how AC wins every race.

And it must be even tougher seeing how the golden opportunity you all have envisaged to oust him (the clenspiration theory) seems to be fading further away with every Clentador's win.

I sympathise with you, I must admit. I felt like that during the Armstrong Age. But you'll go through it, that's for sure.

So don't worry much, sit back, relax and enjoy!! ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11BrgxGUwHI

he, thanks and all, but eh, this forum is for people who actually believe that there is doping in cycling. Since you don't, why don't you go visit this website:

http://www.boatloadpuzzles.com/playcrossword

and don't forget to sit back and enjoy, of course.

 

[ferryman]

he, thanks and all, but eh, this forum is for people who actually believe that there is doping in cycling. Since you don't, why don't you go visit this website:

http://www.boatloadpuzzles.com/playcrossword

and don't forget to sit back and enjoy, of course.

No it's not. This forum is for anyone with any view on doping.

 

[sartoris]

he, thanks and all, but eh, this forum is for people who actually believe that there is doping in cycling.

You're very welcome.

I know there's doping in cycling and in professional sport in general. I don't believe Contador doped. That's all. Peace.

 

[ferryman]

I know, I know, folks!

It must be tough being a cycling fan (but not an AC fan) and seeing how AC wins every race.

And it must be even tougher seeing how the golden opportunity you all have envisaged to oust him (the clenspiration theory) seems to be fading further away with every Clentador's win.

I sympathise with you, I must admit. I felt like that during the Armstrong Age. But you'll go through it, that's for sure.

So don't worry much, sit back, relax and enjoy!! ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11BrgxGUwHI

Thanks for posting the link. I missed Eurosport's highlights and was really wanting to see this stage. Cheers.

 

[sniper]

You're very welcome.

I know there's doping in cycling and in professional sport in general. I don't believe Contador doped. That's all. Peace.

Then either change your avatar into an ostrich, or stop sticking your head in the sand.
Harmony.

Originally Posted by Ferryman.
No it's not. This forum is for anyone with any view on doping.

Agreed, I take that back.

 

[lagartija]

I feel almost exactly the same way. When I see Contador's picture now it almost makes me sick. If he walks away from this incident scot free, I will probably walk way from the sport as a fan. It's sickening.

really , why didnt you feel that exact way about ricardo ricco

 

[webvan]

Ricco was a joke and never won a GT.

I must say it was hard for me to watch the end of stage 3 of Catalunya today. I think I might pass on the TdF this year for the first time since 1977 if Bertie is on the start line.

 

[Merckx index]

Others have commented on how generally empty Ramos’ article is. But I find it revealing (not intentionally on his part) in a couple of ways. First, it now seems very clear that their entire case for CB-tainted beef does indeed rest on this brother of a dealer who was busted. More than ten years ago, no less. They apparently are not going to argue that the meat came from outside the country. Given the strict standards in Spain, I think this really damages their case. The issue is not whether some farmers give CB to cattle. Both prosecution as well as defense in RFEC agreed that they probably still do. The question is whether they let it clear enough to pass the test, and the statistics indicate that they do.

The tainted meat eaten by Alberto Contador was likely purchased from a company owned by two brothers, and one of them was sanctioned in 2000 for fattening cattle with clenbuterol. After an intense investigation, the Basque Country Government determined that the most likely source was the meat from the company owned by the two brothers.

Second, Ramos argues that CB has to be taken over a period of two weeks to be useful for weight loss. He makes this argument in the context of the negative before and after evidence, which as we all know, is not what this case is about. It’s about transfusion. If you follow the link Ramos provides, you find this statement:

As a stand alone steroid Clenbuterol cycle is two weeks on and two weeks off at 120-140mcgs a day for men and 80-100mcgs for women

What I find most interesting about this statement is that the dosage is much higher than I had assumed Bert or any other rider would be taking. A dose this high would be consistent with transfusion of even a very small amount of blood, or with transfusion of the usual amount following a single dose, let alone a daily regimen. And it also has relevance to the case of Neilsen, the Danish rider. I thought his reported urine level, 300 pg/ml, was too high to likely result from transfusion. But if he was taking doses of 100 ug or more, no problem at all.

Athletes, of course, have to balance performance enhancing effect against likelihood of getting caught. It seems to me that with CB, you would want to reduce the time of taking it. Two weeks is a long window of vulnerability (plus several days or more to clear from the system), particularly in Bert’s case, where the alleged window between the DL and the TDF was I think less than a month. If CB really has to be taken for two weeks to be useful, I think this would be significant evidence against the transfusion theory; not proof, by any means, but a very reasonable objection.

I imagine that some benefit would result from a shorter period of time. And in the context of a doping trial, such psychological considerations generally carry little or no weight, anyway--e.g., Ramos's point that a TDF leader would not dope in the middle of the race. It's supposed to be about science, not abou what a rider would or wouldn't do. But for a personal opinion of whether he doped or not, the length of time required to take CB seems to me a fair point to raise.

 

[Publicus]

I think you guys are wasting a lot of your considerable brain power on that article. It's not a restatement of their case. It is mostly a PR document for the uninformed masses. You don't need 600 pages and countless scientific experts if you are hanging your hat on innuendo.

 

[Escarabajo]

Intended or not, this audience has responded.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ramos/trust-the-facts-and-the-s_b_839547.html

Dave.

LOL.

We know that Alberto was not using clenbuterol over any amount of time because there were no traces of the chemical before the first positive test and because tests the following days showed less clenbuterol than he had in his system on his first positive test, proving that his system was eliminating the substance due to a one-take ingestion.

Don't worry Ramos, because which cyclist is stupid enough to take Clen during the Tour de france for weight loss. So therefore must be meat. I got your back mate.

Besides he was already on Atkins diet anyway. LOL.