Contador and Spanish cycling

[del1962]

Indeed it annoys me too, I wish he could race in a dope free time, but alas that's not the way it is. He has to dope to keep up. It makes me sad because now that he was caught everyone will always see him as the one who dopes and wouldn't win anything if he doesn't. While I believe he would be the best if there was no such thing as doping. It's sad but there is nothing I can do about it. I just hope he doesn't test positive a second time.

The problem with this line of argument is it is the same that Lance's fans used about him.

 

[LaFlorecita]

The problem with this line of argument is it is the same that Lance's fans used about him.

Why is that a problem?

 

[del1962]

It's a national problem," Spain's Cycling Federation president, Jose Luis Lopez Cerron, whose subsidy is set to be slashed by 50 per cent, told The Independent on Sunday. "We know what the situation is across the board in Spain. How can you try and cajole public institutions into giving you money when you see there are so many cuts in everything, like hospitals and schools?"

From the independent

Wonder what cycling budgets will be cut?

Pretty poor research at foor of article when he mentions (or fails to mention) TDF winners since 1992, (unless he is discounting the TDF in 90s as somewhat tainted), but Contador was stripped of 2010 not 2007 and fails to mention 2009.

 

[Benotti69]

With Bruyneel writing a book will there be a few nervous Spaniards watching over their shoulders.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Lance has stated that he wasnt on the juice in 09 or 10.

No idea if this is the truth but assuming for a minute that it is, where does that leave contador in 09? The TDF that year was easily his best performance and the implication is that he was doped. However, would JB really allow AC to dope, thereby enhancing his abilities, at a time when his then best pal was making his big comeback? Could AC have doped without JB's knowledge? Or was AC clean as well?

 

[sniper]

Lance has stated that he wasnt on the juice in 09 or 10.

No idea if this is the truth but assuming for a minute that it is, where does that leave contador in 09? The TDF that year was easily his best performance and the implication is that he was doped. However, would JB really allow AC to dope, thereby enhancing his abilities, at a time when his then best pal was making his big comeback? Could AC have doped without JB's knowledge? Or was AC clean as well?

are you joking?

for real, read up on some of the contador threads and come back.
pepe marti, plasticizers, astana 2009 suspicious garbage & pre-test notifications, etc. etc.
There is so much on both Lance and Contador in 2009 that we need not start with any "what if's"

 

[Descender]

 

[airstream]

What is the reason why Lance keeps silent on 2009-10. What do you think? I think an alleged 8 year ban with this year's comeback is the last reason.

His HC went up by 3-4 points straight before Mont Ventoux stage. Clean, hah?!

 

[RdBiker]

What is the reason why Lance keeps silent on 2009-10. What do you think? I think an alleged 8 year ban with this year's comeback is the last reason.

His HC went up by 3-4 points straight before Mont Ventoux stage. Clean, hah?!

Perhaps his lawyers have determined that USADA's evidence for those years is not solid enough. I didn't read everything in the dossier but if I understood correctly the most damning testimonies were for USPS/Disco. Maybe they think fuzzy blood values aren't enough and the guys on the 09-10 team (e.g. Contador, Popo) won't testify against him.

What I find frustrating is that there seems to be a consensus (like many posters here have noted) that everyone stopped doping after 2005 and "everything is different now". Nothing has changed or is going to change.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

What is the reason why Lance keeps silent on 2009-10. What do you think? I think an alleged 8 year ban with this year's comeback is the last reason.

His HC went up by 3-4 points straight before Mont Ventoux stage. Clean, hah?!

I don't understand airstream. Andy has confirmed that doping ceased with the intro of the bio passport...

"Armstrong told in the interview that after his comeback he no longer used doping. The biological passport and the out-of-competition controls have indeed changed cycling"

 

[airstream]

I don't understand airstream. Andy has confirmed that doping ceased with the intro of the bio passport...

"Armstrong told in the interview that after his comeback he no longer used doping. The biological passport and the out-of-competition controls have indeed changed cycling"

I'm sure Lance will say everything in the nearest time.

 

[martinvickers]

Lance has stated that he wasnt on the juice in 09 or 10.

No idea if this is the truth but assuming for a minute that it is, where does that leave contador in 09? The TDF that year was easily his best performance and the implication is that he was doped. However, would JB really allow AC to dope, thereby enhancing his abilities, at a time when his then best pal was making his big comeback? Could AC have doped without JB's knowledge? Or was AC clean as well?

Armstrong doped in '09. It's not even in question - the science caught it.

As for Contador, I suspect his 'preparation' was off-piste, so to speak - the internal dynamics at the time were pretty awful, I can't imagine Bruyneel was helpful, although that is pure speculation.

 

[red_flanders]

The topic is Contador and Spanish Cycling, not Lance Armstrong. Off topic posts have been removed.

 

[cineteq]

Spain Accused of a Doping Cover-Up

"We have been banging our heads against a brick wall to get access to the evidence that was gathered,” Dave Howman, WADA’s director general, said. “It is not only frustrating and disappointing but it also means that many athletes who might be dirty have been allowed to compete."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...s-Operation-Puerto-scandal-goes-on-trial.html

 

[sniper]

Spain Accused of a Doping Cover-Up

"We have been banging our heads against a brick wall to get access to the evidence that was gathered,” Dave Howman, WADA’s director general, said. “It is not only frustrating and disappointing but it also means that many athletes who might be dirty have been allowed to compete."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...s-Operation-Puerto-scandal-goes-on-trial.html

good link. Seems Spain is determined to keep soccer out of this. And for bloody obvious reasons. Imagine the scandal. USPS/Lance would be small peanuts in comparison.
For once I agree with Pat:

The International Cycling Union (UCI) has expressed disappointment in the past that only cycling was investigated. “Fuentes said it himself, 30 per cent of his clients were cyclists. Where’s the other 70 per cent?” UCI president Pat McQuaid said when the case was reopened in 2009.

Go Pat! Show us how you want to protect cycling.

 

[hrotha]

My, nothing in that article is new or unknown for us Clinicians, but reading it all condensed into such a short and straight to the point text really makes my stomach turn.

If only the PP thought letting it all be known would make a useful smoke screen for their nefarious practices and the current economic and political situation...

 

[sniper]

My, nothing in that article is new or unknown for us Clinicians, but reading it all condensed into such a short and straight to the point text really makes my stomach turn.

If only the PP thought letting it all be known would make a useful smoke screen for their nefarious practices and the current economic and political situation...

go Mariano.

 

[del1962]

So Alberto no longer to testify for Saiz

 

[Taxus4a]

I am spanish, castleland nation, as Contador, but I dont belive his perfomance before santion.
there was another cyclism that is changing, he is still very good, but he is now the real Contador.
Anothers as Anton, in this new cycling, bye bye,,, Thomas Dekker the same.. Contador is still there... but not the same

He came to Pais Vasco to win in a good shape.
well, he was yerterday 1.30 worse than in 2009...
He cant drop Weening today
He always have peak in april, winning without merci..

 

[LaFlorecita]

I am spanish, castleland nation, as Contador, but I dont belive his perfomance before santion.
there was another cyclism that is changing, he is still very good, but he is now the real Contador.
Anothers as Anton, in this new cycling, bye bye,,, Thomas Dekker the same.. Contador is still there... but not the same

He came to Pais Vasco to win in a good shape.
well, he was yerterday 1.30 worse than in 2009...
He cant drop Weening today
He always have peak in april, winning without merci..

so are the other riders still doping or is Alberto just ****? Weening and Santambrogio with a little doping could also become multiple GT winners? I can't believe this is a clean Contador, something else is going on, maybe he's just lost it. I still believe he is one of the most talented cyclists, at least more talented than Froome or Porte. The results tell us otherwise though

 

[Forunculo]

I am spanish, castleland nation, as Contador, but I dont belive his perfomance before santion.
there was another cyclism that is changing, he is still very good, but he is now the real Contador.
Anothers as Anton, in this new cycling, bye bye,,, Thomas Dekker the same.. Contador is still there... but not the same

He came to Pais Vasco to win in a good shape.
well, he was yerterday 1.30 worse than in 2009...
He cant drop Weening today
He always have peak in april, winning without merci..

The old Castille

Taxus; Contador, Anton, Dekker... Where is Andy Schleck in this new cycling?

 

[Taxus4a]

The old Castille

Taxus; Contador, Anton, Dekker... Where is Andy Schleck in this new cycling?

I would like to know. I hope he is a great talented rider, but I dont know, we will see if he recover his level, he has a good engine and endurance, but I think he was always, for the big moments, with something... but I am not sure. Anyway the important for me is not the past, but the future. Contador is a great rider, he show that... Andy for the moment no.

 

[zalacain]

I knew Euskadi should have stayed with Basque riders
http://www.elcorreo.com/vizcaya/201...altel-aleksandr-serebriakov-201304062025.html

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

La Flo - you alluded to Nibalis performance today as other worldly. Im assuming you meant he is doped? Do you think that Nibali, Froome, Sky etc are doping now, but Alberto has stopped? Is this,in your opinion, the primary reason he will not win the Tour? And not because he is in decline / too old etc?

I'm thinking he is trying to do things clean and that's where he is missing the Verbier magic etc?

 

[LaFlorecita]

La Flo - you alluded to Nibalis performance today as other worldly. Im assuming you meant he is doped? Do you think that Nibali, Froome, Sky etc are doping now, but Alberto has stopped? Is this,in your opinion, the primary reason he will not win the Tour?

I'm thinking he is trying to do things clean?

No, I believe Alberto is still doping (he is probably a bit more careful though). He just sucks right now. Perhaps an off year or perhaps he's lost it. I hope the former.