Contador & Armstrong will never be caught for EPO or blood boosting and here's why!!

[Rise Of The Dead]

Do you have a link to support Jan being found guilty?

No, that is my point. Show me the link Ullrich was found guilty of EPO doping in '97 eventually beating a rider who was doping EPO almost by 30 minutes.

He was clocked at 42% hematocrit during the '97 Tour. I heard that in a post press conference of the Tour in '97 when asked by a journalist. Great talent.

 

[zapata]

like I posted in the other thread

"I don't contribute much to the clinic, because i don't have any special knowledge or inside information about doping. I'm just a fan, who comes here to learn, since there are some very knowledgeable and well informed people posting here, and the best threads are very informative. however, it's very frustrating when what's looking to be a good thread, is destroyed by some moron posting things he can't possibly believe in himself, over and over again. (Like, for instance, "epo doesn't work", and variations of this.) I strongly encourage the posters here who actually knows something about cycling and doping (you know who you are..) to keep posting, and for the other morons: i sincerely hope you lose your fingers and are forced to type with your nose."

The point being, I sincerely hope you who actually know something keep posting despite these cretins. I am very thankful to you for teaching me much that I did not know.

 

[pmcg76]

No, that is my point. Show me the link Ullrich was found guilty of EPO doping in '97 eventually beating a rider who was doping EPO almost by 30 minutes.

He was clocked at 42% hematocrit during the '97 Tour. I heard that in a post press conference of the Tour in '97 when asked by a journalist. Great talent.

LOL, now that is funny. It mush have been a press conference that only you were witness to because I never seen any such thing or read any such thing anywhere. I bet nobody else ever seen it either cos it never happened.

 

[poupou]

If Ullrich won the 1997 Tour de France clean, why did he start blood doping in future years?

Clearly he was at his best clean and blood doping only hampered his performance, yet he pursued it, what a moron.

+ 1
The 50% limit affected riders, less riders were able to record 410W as average power on TDF.

 

[Ripper]

LOL, now that is funny. It mush have been a press conference that only you were witness to because I never seen any such thing or read any such thing anywhere. I bet nobody else ever seen it either cos it never happened.

On another note, all this chat about Gewiss reminded me of Berzin. That guy cracked me up. Flashes out of nowhere and just hammers the crap in the Giro and Ardennes. Then fizzle fizzle! A great example of drug use making a no one a someone, until everyone else figured it out!

 

[pmcg76]

On another note, all this chat about Gewiss reminded me of Berzin. That guy cracked me up. Flashes out of nowhere and just hammers the crap in the Giro and Ardennes. Then fizzle fizzle! A great example of drug use making a no one a someone, until everyone else figured it out!

Well honestly I think that his downfall had as much to do with himself as anything else. He came from a communist background, achieved fame and fortune in the West and it went to his head. He had a personal life akin to Vandenbroucke. Berzin was very much a wasted talent in my eyes whatever about the dope. He could have been huge if he had kept his head together.

 

[filipo]

Well honestly I think that his downfall had as much to do with himself as anything else. He came from a communist background, achieved fame and fortune in the West and it went to his head. He had a personal life akin to Vandenbroucke. Berzin was very much a wasted talent in my eyes whatever about the dope. He could have been huge if he had kept his head together.

Surely there's a drug for that, no?

 

[Ripper]

Well honestly I think that his downfall had as much to do with himself as anything else. He came from a communist background, achieved fame and fortune in the West and it went to his head. He had a personal life akin to Vandenbroucke. Berzin was very much a wasted talent in my eyes whatever about the dope. He could have been huge if he had kept his head together.

I had heard he enjoyed the drink and other drugs a bit too much. Doesn't he own a car dealership now?

 

[pmcg76]

I had heard he enjoyed the drink and other drugs a bit too much. Doesn't he own a car dealership now?

I think thats righe, I think he got involved with a much older woman or am I confusing him with Vandenbroucke. Havent heard about him in ages. So much potential. World amateur pursuit champion in 1990 when still a teen.

 

[Race Radio]

He was clocked at 42% hematocrit during the '97 Tour. I heard that in a post press conference of the Tour in '97 when asked by a journalist. Great talent.

Really? I was at the same press conference and Jan said that his Hct was 52% but he brought it down with a drip. Perhaps your German is not that good and you misunderstood.....or, like most of what you have posted here, you invented it.

 

[Race Radio]

I think thats righe, I think he got involved with a much older woman or am I confusing him with Vandenbroucke. Havent heard about him in ages. So much potential. World amateur pursuit champion in 1990 when still a teen.

I heard he was riding a bunch and was thinking about a comeback with Katusha (no joke) after a few months of training he figured it was too hard and went back to selling cars

 

[zapata]

I heard he was riding a bunch and was thinking about a comeback with Katusha (no joke) after a few months of training he figured it was too hard and went back to selling cars

who? berzin!? he must be in his forties? I'd like to see it, though.

 

[Race Radio]

who? berzin!? he must be in his forties? I'd like to see it, though.

YES, Berzin. Pretty funny. I saw him a few years ago and he had put on some serious kilos

 

[pmcg76]

who? berzin!? he must be in his forties? I'd like to see it, though.

The scary thing is this, Berzin is still only 39, younger than some current pros yet his career finished almost a decade ago.

 

[zapata]

YES, Berzin. Pretty funny. I saw him a few years ago and he had put on some serious kilos

that's 50 percent funny and 50 percent sad..good thing he realised his limitations soon enough, unlike some people I know of.

 

[Rise Of The Dead]

Really? I was at the same press conference and Jan said that his Hct was 52% but he brought it down with a drip. Perhaps your German is not that good and you misunderstood.....or, like most of what you have posted here, you invented it.

Nope. Ullrich never surpassed 42%, Never tested positive for EPO. Beat dirty riders on EPO w/ higher hematocrits. Proving that doping can't guarantee Tour success.

 

[BYOP88]

Nope. Ullrich never surpassed 42%, Never tested positive for EPO. Beat dirty riders on EPO w/ higher hematocrits. Proving that doping can't guarantee Tour success.

And his name was only in the OP files cos the Spanish were jealous of him.

 

[Ripper]

And his name was only in the OP files cos the Spanish were jealous of him.

Absolutely correct! These 'doping' cases are all just plants by haters of true athletes. Rise of the Chucklehead must be saying some stupid stuff again, what a mouthbreathing complete f*cking waste of space. (I mean that in a constructive way )

 

[BYOP88]

Absolutely correct! These 'doping' cases are all just plants by haters of true athletes. Rise of the Chucklehead must be saying some stupid stuff again, what a mouthbreathing complete f*cking waste of space. (I mean that in a constructive way )

yeah he's on about Jan:

"Nope. Ullrich never surpassed 42%, Never tested positive for EPO. Beat dirty riders on EPO w/ higher hematocrits. Proving that doping can't guarantee Tour success."

 

[Race Radio]

Nope. Ullrich never surpassed 42%, Never tested positive for EPO. Beat dirty riders on EPO w/ higher hematocrits. Proving that doping can't guarantee Tour success.

And, like all your other claims, you are unable to back this up with any evidence.

 

[Ferminal]

Nope. Ullrich never surpassed 42%, Never tested positive for EPO. Beat dirty riders on EPO w/ higher hematocrits. Proving that doping can't guarantee Tour success.

No one has ever claimed doping guarantees "Tour" success.

If Ullrich won the 1997 Tour de France clean, why did he start blood doping in future years?

Clearly he was at his best clean and blood doping only hampered his performance, yet he pursued it, what a moron.

How do you respond to this?

Why did Jan resort to blood doping in the 00s when he was clearly at his best when he was a clean rider in the 90s?

In your hundreds of ridiculous posts, you have failed every single time to answer why most top riders have used EPO and transfusions despite of your argument that "EPO is useless".

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

No one has ever claimed doping guarantees "Tour" success.



How do you respond to this?

Why did Jan resort to blood doping in the 00s when he was clearly at his best when he was a clean rider in the 90s?

There is limited benefit to presenting a logical argument to those to whom logic is at best a speed bump.

 

[Biscuit]

I often look at the forums when i want to get a bit more background detail about a story, whether it be related to the science behind performance or transfer gossip. I have never felt the need to post as i've generally found what i was looking for and posters have usually included useful links.

However, this recent policy of allowing people to post unsubstantiated claims and engage in ridiculous circular arguments has rendered this forum virtually worthless to me.

As a non contributor I'm sure my opinion is of little importance to the moderators but I'd just like to say that it has an impact on the credibility of your news site. I'm not sure this would be what your advertisers would be looking for.

 

[Race Radio]

I often look at the forums when i want to get a bit more background detail about a story, whether it be related to the science behind performance or transfer gossip. I have never felt the need to post as i've generally found what i was looking for and posters have usually included useful links.

However, this recent policy of allowing people to post unsubstantiated claims and engage in ridiculous circular arguments has rendered this forum virtually worthless to me.

As a non contributor I'm sure my opinion is of little importance to the moderators but I'd just like to say that it has an impact on the credibility of your news site. I'm not sure this would be what your advertisers would be looking for.

It is intentional. The goal of the trolls is to highjack threads and insure that a reasonable discussion is not possible.

 

[oldschoolnik]

I have suggested to the moderators that one possible course of action could be to determine which screen names have the most "ignore" requests attached to them by members of the community and then once a month go through and warn or ban those who meet two criteria a) highlevels of "ignore" requests and 2) complains about them from community.

Seems quite democratic to me. Not sure message board software is capable of this.