Contador blasts LA

[jamfra67]

Yeah, you are clearly smarter than that Horner guy. No experience whatsoever. Don'y know a thing about racing a bike. Lance neither. Bruyneel's an idiot. Levi don't know much. Hell, even Bob Roll's an idiot too. You've goy it all figured out. AC's got a great engine so (automatically) he's the best tactician ever. He don't need no team or DS.. right?

Yes he needs a team but just not the same one as Lance. Bruyneel betrayed the guy. The Snipers have fled to Radio Shack with Bruyneel. Why are you so concerned? The man is top dog this year he will get a DS with a team with full support so dont worry. How come he never had problems with the team before Lance came in? When Lance had his engine no one slowed him down, why try to slow down AC to benefit Lance. He had his day in the sun its AC's turn

 

[fulcrum]

And to Publicus who has accused Andreas of not working for AC... I couldn't disagree more. Kloden is a great teammate and a class act. Any team would be fortunate to have him on their roster. I just hope all the drama and clinicals don't force him to retire.

What does that have to do with whether or not he worked for AC? He can be the classiest guy in the world and still be following orders from JB, who was clearly not trying to help AC.

And as to Kloden being the shit, I think a guy with his talent should have the balls to at least try to win a Tour, and not go the safe route and become Lance's lap dog, a la LL.

 

[fulcrum]

As I have previously stated, LA did not once stoop badmouthing AC as a person. He did play the mindgame stuff with his comments around racing, but hey it's sport it goes on all the time. LA doesn't have a lot of subtelty when it comes to making comments. But that being said it was Contador who stooped to character assasination not Armstrong. And we don't even NEED to read intent into that, he just spilled his guts once he had got back home to Momma and was away from that nasty bully

By the way, good sidestep on the presenting of evidence of Armstrong demeaning AC's character. I knew that you couldn't present evidence of it....that must really rankle you lol

You are too funny, all AC has said about Lance is that he has no respect for him. And he is well in his right to say that. That is no character assassination. It is his opinion of Lance. Character assassination would be to let everybody know what a tremendous piece of shit Lance is as a person and teammate in full detail and with juicy details, and AC has done nothing of that sort.

 

[Publicus]

How would you react if someone wrote this about you: "it is another thing on a personal level, where I have never had great admiration for him and I never will."

Lance may feel the same way about Hinault and LeMond, but I don't think he has ever said anything like that about them or anyone else. That's the difference.

This comment was totally unnecessary and was simply pure personal attack. I have no idea what was really going on behind the scenes, but if this is about not getting champagne on some evening, please.

You ask your question as if the statement was made in a vacuum. I mean how would you feel if you get the yellow jersey but some cranky old man says that the team won't celebrate with champagne that night, a mere 8 days after celebrating him taking 41 seconds in an echelon? Or that on the day of the ITT in Annency, no one from the team was there to pick up the MJ from the hotel because they were out picking up Mr. Armstrong's girlfriend and family? Dude acted like a *** for 6 months what did he expect?

Starting with his public upbraiding of Contador after Paris-Nice until the Champs Elysee, Lance has done his best to alienate Contador never taking ANY steps to act as a good teammate (his ambitions not withstanding). From Lance's twitters on the subject, it is clear that in his mind he is the team. Criticize Lance, you are criticizing the team. When Lance talks about what is good for the team, he's talking about what is good for Lance. That approach won him 7 Tour de Frances, I don't see him changing that now.

 

[fulcrum]

There is no "2009 TdF win" in "Twitter".

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

47 pages?

Did Contador held his press conference at Col de la Colombiére? You're confusing me.

 

[dgodave]

There is no "2009 TdF win" in "Twitter".

No. But theres a dose of "wit".
.

 

[jamfra67]

Klodi doesn't talk to the press. So the premise that he is okay with the outcome of that stage because we haven't heard complaints from him is faulty.

And to Publicus who has accused Andreas of not working for AC... I couldn't disagree more. Kloden is a great teammate and a class act. Any team would be fortunate to have him on their roster. I just hope all the drama and clinicals don't force him to retire.

And you should also realise if Kloden was not assigned the role as a domestique and did all that work for especially lance he would have been on the podium in a better position than lance. I think Kloden needs his own team to have a go at the tour. That will make 2010 even more interesting.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

errr, Contadors comment was made after all the harassing comments by Lance during the tour. They were using contador as a punching bag. Contador deserved more respect and Lance should have done more to accommodate him given lance has advantages like more friends, speaks english, etc. Lance simply is not a very bright guy.

Note that I provide the exact words that Contador used, and criticize them.

In contrast, you provide only veiled references to alleged "harassing comments". What were those comments and how were they "harassing"? Were they personal attacks like this? Or were they constructive criticism? The "worst" I've seen was Levi's honest real-time reaction to Contador's bonehead self-isolating podium-sweep-compromising drop of Klodi: "Well, that wasn't a good move!!" (see, another specific comment). And Lance didn't come close to saying anything that bad, not in any interview, and not in any tweet. Disagree? Fine, provide the quote.

 

[fulcrum]

No. But theres a dose of "wit".
.

There was no "twitter" in "cycling".
There is now a "twit" on "twitter".
There is no "8th" in "Lance"

 

[klodifan]

And you should also realise if Kloden was not assigned the role as a domestique and did all that work for especially lance he would have been on the podium in a better position than lance. I think Kloden needs his own team to have a go at the tour. That will make 2010 even more interesting.

I agree. It's interesting. For all the talk about wanting to win le tour, he ALWAYS choses to play second fiddle. And now that his contract is up, I just don't see him leading a team. He really needs to consult a sports psychologist.

 

[fulcrum]

I think Kloden needs his own team to have a go at the tour. That will make 2010 even more interesting.

+1

Death to the super-domestique! Let the best riders fight each other. No more Tour wins based on buying out your competition.

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

This pictures seems to say it all. They both look sour as hell towaards each other. It looks like contador snubbed Lance and Lance is giving the classic bully taunting look.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jul/28/alberto-contador-lance-armstrong-tour-hate

What a great picture

At least "twits" are shorter than a book.

 

[Publicus]

Note that I provide the exact words that Contador used, and criticize them.

In contrast, you provide only veiled references to alleged "harassing comments". What were those comments and how were they "harassing"? Were they personal attacks like this? Or were they constructive criticism? The "worst" I've seen was Levi's honest real-time reaction to Contador's bonehead self-isolating podium-sweep-compromising drop of Klodi: "Well, that wasn't a good move!!" (see, another specific comment). And Lance didn't come close to saying anything that bad, not in any interview, and not in any tweet. Disagree? Fine, provide the quote.

Really? So if Contador said that Lance tactical blunder of letting Frank go up the road on Colombiere wasn't a good move, you are telling me that would be constructive criticism? I mean that was a much bigger bonehead move because it only had the possibility of hurting the team. Whereas at least we all can understand the potential upside of Contador's move vis a vis tightening his grip on the MJ.

Edit: Maybe you can make a nifty you tube video and tell Contador to leave Lance alone!!!!!

 

[Ninety5rpm]

You ask your question as if the statement was made in a vacuum.

The words are the words. What statement of Lance's is anything like that?

I mean how would you feel if you get the yellow jersey but some cranky old man says that the team won't celebrate with champagne that night, a mere 8 days after celebrating him taking 41 seconds in an echelon? Or that on the day of the ITT in Annency, no one from the team was there to pick up the MJ from the hotel because they were out picking up Mr. Armstrong's girlfriend and family? Dude acted like a *** for 6 months what did he expect?

If that happened to me I would look at my behavior to see why I'm being treated like this.

But we don't really know whether these things really happened, much less why. But nothing justifies publicly expressing such disrespect for another human being, especially without providing an explanation. And it's stupid - it's needlessly burning bridges.

Starting with his public upbraiding of Contador after Paris-Nice until the Champs Elysee, Lance has done his best to alienate Contador never taking ANY steps to act as a good teammate (his ambitions not withstanding). From Lance's twitters on the subject, it is clear that in his mind he is the team. Criticize Lance, you are criticizing the team. When Lance talks about what is good for the team, he's talking about what is good for Lance. That approach won him 7 Tour de Frances, I don't see him changing that now.

Can you be specific about anything that Lance said or did that would justify the harsh language Contador used today? I mean, "public upbraiding of Contador after Paris-Nice"? What, that he's got a few things to learn? That's a public upbraiding?

 

[fulcrum]

There is no "car" in "Palace of Menthon"
There is no "seat" in "bus"
There is "spit" in "bottle" (but it's hard to see)

 

[dgodave]

There is no "8th" in "Lance"

Lan1234567ce.
.
Darn it. No 8.
.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Really? So if Contador said that Lance tactical blunder of letting Frank go up the road on Colombiere wasn't a good move, you are telling me that would be constructive criticism?

Did Lance say something AC did wasn't a good move? That was Levi. We're talking about Lance. Anything specific that Lance said that comes close to the mean-spirited pure nastiness expressed by Contador today?

 

[fulcrum]

There is no "shame" in "Bruyneel"

 

[TrudyTas]

I agree. It's interesting. For all the talk about wanting to win le tour, he ALWAYS choses to play second fiddle. And now that his contract is up, I just don't see him leading a team. He really needs to consult a sports psychologist.

SBS TV coverage at the end of Stage 20 said that Klodi was going to retire Can anyone confirm or deny?

 

[Publicus]

The words are the words. What statement of Lance's is anything like that?


If that happened to me I would look at my behavior to see why I'm being treated like this.

But we don't really know whether these things really happened, much less why. But nothing justifies publicly expressing such disrespect for another human being, especially without providing an explanation. And it's stupid - it's needlessly burning bridges.


Can you be specific about anything that Lance said or did that would justify the harsh language Contador used today? I mean, "public upbraiding of Contador after Paris-Nice"? What, that he's got a few things to learn? That's a public upbraiding?

So I guess my question is why didn't Lance act introspectively and ask himself what he could have done that Contador doesn't admire him personally? I mean Lance has been nothing but a supportive teammate. Sharing his personal experience and knowledge with Contador to ensure that he won his 2nd Tour in dominating fashion. I could totally see how Lance was blind-sided by that comment. I mean it came out of nowhere. After 3 weeks of turning himself inside out for Contador, this is how he repays him.

This unwarranted attack after such a selfless display of teamwork by Lance Armstrong just underscores how immature Contador really is. I mean, how often does a 7 Time TdF come out of retirement to help a young man win the TdF? I think we should all get together and send Lance a big electronic hug and hope he feels better!

 

[Hamilton Rocks]

F**k lance!

Alberto Contador will wipe his a** with lance come 2010. AC will humiliate him this next year. The gloves have come off!!

 

[Indurrey]

Did Lance say something AC did wasn't a good move? That was Levi. We're talking about Lance. Anything specific that Lance said that comes close to the mean-spirited pure nastiness expressed by Contador today?

1) Lance agreed publicly with Levi (via ****ter)

2) What, specifically, are you referring to as "mean-spirited pure nastiness"?
That he said he didn't admire Lance (the person)? Oh, my, yes, that is simply brutal.

 

[klodifan]

SBS TV coverage at the end of Stage 20 said that Klodi was going to retire Can anyone confirm or deny?

I've been trying to read his journal on his official site for weeks. It's in german, but for some reason it isn't loading. Can anyone else get there?

www.andreas-kloeden.com

 

[Publicus]

Did Lance say something AC did wasn't a good move? That was Levi. We're talking about Lance. Anything specific that Lance said that comes close to the mean-spirited pure nastiness expressed by Contador today?

You are right. Lance hasn't said a bad thing about Contador ever. AC is just an a$$hole who is disrespecting the greatest TdF champion ever. I'm with you on this one. I have no idea what Lance could have possibly said or did to warrant anyone saying such a thing. As noted in my other response, AC is just unappreciative of all the work Lance did for him. Maybe Lance should have just stayed retired if he would have known that AC wouldn't appreciate his sacrifice.


Leave Lance Alone!!!!!!