BullsFan22 said:Take it easy bro. In that case, the Spanish Federation is corrupt. If they had their way, Spain would clear every athlete of any wrongdoing.
As I just posted, so is the Luxembourg cycling federation also corrupt?
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BullsFan22 said:Take it easy bro. In that case, the Spanish Federation is corrupt. If they had their way, Spain would clear every athlete of any wrongdoing.
Climbing said:I had no doubt Contador was racing TdF.
How could possibly be different, when this was the condition of not being banned?!
The problem is if he can be competitive in Giro Tour double, when in the last years almost no one could be.
It's challenging to say the least, but I'm confident if there is someone which could do that it's AC.
Angliru said:What other rider active grand tour gc contender has shown that they can be competitive throughout the season in virtually every event they enter? I'm curious to hear what the responses will be.
Publicus said:Oh gawd. That isn't a veiled reference to Andy's inability to shift his bike is it? Give it a rest.
As I said in the other thread this is Andy's best chance to beat AC and that has more to do with AC (coming off the Giro) than it does with Andy.
rhubroma said:I think Contador's consistency, throughout the year, is what distinguishes him from an Armstrong though.
The Texan peaked once a year, this was likely because his natural ability together with his program only acommodated one peak per season.
By contrast Contador wins practically wherever he goes, throughout the season, in GTs and in secondary stage races, whereas when he road those couple of classics last year that suited him he was up their at the front with the specialists.
Now you can say what you want about the guy, that he's a doper (in a doped field however, at least now among the brunt of his main competition - if it were 5 years ago, nearly everyone, but perhaps even so still today), but he is a real and extraordinary talent.
I'm all for punishing him if that's what the decision is, though this won't alter the fact that what he has achieved, was able to achieve, was not merely the product of chemicals, but a natural class that potentially will make him the greatest stage racer the sport has ever known. Winning not just in one month demonstrates this. Nor do I make excuses for him, but the stage race champions have the greatest overall capacity and the most efficient engines of the group.
On this account, therefore, I don't comprehend a certain animosity towards him. His class is authentic in a sport, however, which is not.
But if everyone were clean, I believe he'd still be the best. I don't think this could necessarily have been said, though, between 1991 and 2005.
warmfuzzies said:Bad news for those who believe in unicorns, but this race, like most of pro cycling, is rigged. The 2011 script was written weeks ago. This is Contador's last ride (at least until Comback 2.0) - he will lead for a bit, then lose in a 'nail-biter' to the Next Big Thing. Drugs will not be as prominent a theme during the race - that storyline is on hold until Contador's CAS date - where he will be sanctioned for 2 years. Get the popcorn out, but don't mistake well-reheased theater for unscripted, ad lib drama. Bang, bang!
El Pistolero said:He did dominate the Vuelta though.
jobiwan said:Go watch wrestling man!
warmfuzzies said:The CAS timing stinks like hell. Cycling is rigged. This TdF will be the last GT for Bertie. This is his swansong, his send-off. The commercial interests make more $ with him in it. It's like the later career of Andre the Giant. Everyone knew he and Hulk Hogan would fight to a double disqualification in Wrestlemania 4. Whether Andy or an unknown becomes the next grand champion depends more on who gives good phone than endurance on a bike. You all are suckers for thinking this sport is not rigged.
Angliru said:With that attitude, what pleasure do you get in following the sport? Comparing it to professional wrestling really gives your argument absolutely no credibility.
mombus said:yeah just riding to second and third together at liege, months before being in top form. They don't ride anything, what do you expect? Should one of them have placed in the Giro or something...?
Angliru said:No, he almost lost the Vuelta to Leipheimer, his own teammate. His competition (well most of them) were competing with a Tour de France in their legs.
Angliru said:Frank at least is competitive in the major stage races. Andy's form seems to rise and fall like a rollercoaster or maybe its just his motivation.
El Pistolero said:Leipheimer was his team mate so he never tried to distance him. He only had one weak moment in the climbing time trial. He took time on Leipi in almost all mountain stages and some punchy stages.
jobiwan said:That's why everyone should join me in rooting for Andy to win, so he'll finally go for other races!!
('Tis a joke!)
warmfuzzies said:Bad news for those who believe in unicorns, but this race, like most of pro cycling, is rigged. The 2011 script was written weeks ago. This is Contador's last ride (at least until Comback 2.0) - he will lead for a bit, then lose in a 'nail-biter' to the Next Big Thing. Drugs will not be as prominent a theme during the race - that storyline is on hold until Contador's CAS date - where he will be sanctioned for 2 years. Get the popcorn out, but don't mistake well-reheased theater for unscripted, ad lib drama. Bang, bang!
Angliru said:Andy annoys me such that I could never root for the dude, sorry. Frank I can root for but Andy no way. I'd prefer Cadel Evans to finish ahead of Evans and I'm far from an Evans fan. Andy's too much of a slacker getting by on his natural ability to go for other races. He couldn't even motivate himself to sacrifice for his brother at the Vuelta.
jobiwan said:Schleck will give Contador the People's Elbow!!
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Publicus said:Given Schleck's track record, I think he would miss and dislocate his shoulder in the process and then blame AC for not staying still.![]()
Angliru said:So no response to the point that Valverde was competing with a Tour in his legs and Contador was fresh and rested?
jobiwan said:I honestly don't know why I root for Andy. Maybe it's because I've watched too much Versus!
I want Andy to win this Tour and I hope that Contador is truly innocent, because he has been a great champion!
El Pistolero said:The Vuelta has weak competition, tell us something new.
Angliru said:How does that opinion support your argument?![]()
Angliru said:As I just posted, so is the Luxembourg cycling federation also corrupt?