Contador Isolates Self

[coppiman]

He tried to drop them, but didn't continue with his acceleration or even try a re-acceleration. He just didn't have it in the tank to leave the brothers behind, and should have known better.

In fact, there was absolutely no reason to try to drop the Shreks.

That is not what happened. Contador quite clearly discussed the attack with Kloden who agreed they should go. Contador attacked, the Schlecks followed but Kloden blew up. Contador turned around and realised Kloden couldn't make it so slowed up to try and wait for him but then realised he was goosed. He had to continue obviously from then on in. Kloden agreed with Contador to attack. It was clear to see.

 

[goober]

No...no he doesn't. He is there to win the dang race...not help. LA would never have helped. That is not what they pay him for...that is what they pay Klodi for. Klodi was cooked...period. I am not missing the point...the tour or any other pro cycling event is not a "feel good story". Since LA has come back all everyone seems to want is gifting of stages, yellow jerseys to aging racers who deserve it, etc. This is BS!! AC is there to win which is what he is doing.

OK, guess I have to dive deeper since you do not understand and you think like Contador that all this is about is him winning. Let me school you:

Contador works for Astana, they pay his salary.

Asatana hired him to win; so, I will give you that.

Asatana is not in this just for Contador's personal satisfaction of winning (like Contador might think - hence 'he has a lot to learn').

Had Contador not attacked the ASTANA TEAM and SPONSOR would be much better off. Better hopes of more riders on podium. Better hopes of one of their riders winning the stage.

SORRY - this is a business. It is not like the Cat V racing you do on the weekends.

Contador HAS A LOT TO LEARN.

 

[ak-zaaf]

The only people he seriously put time into was Wiggens, Kloden, and LA. One of those guys got Contador there, and the other put Wiggens further back on his own.

Final analysis........ Contador successfully attacked his teammates AGAIN.

did you even watch the stage?

 

[klodifan]

He didnt have much support in the Giro last year either.

That's BS. Klodi worked his *** off for him before pulling out.

 

[scribe]

That is not what happened. Contador quite clearly discussed the attack with Kloden who agreed they should go. Contador attacked, the Schlecks followed but Kloden blew up. Contador turned around and realised Kloden couldn't make it so slowed up to try and wait for him but then realised he was goosed. He had to continue obviously from then on in. Kloden agreed with Contador to attack. It was clear to see.

Really? What language were they using as you listened in?

 

[TRDean]

OK, guess I have to dive deeper since you do not understand and you think like Contador that all this is about is him winning. Let me school you:

Contador works for Astana, they pay his salary.

Asatana hired him to win; so, I will give you that.

Asatana is not in this just for Contador's personal satisfaction of winning (like Contador might think - hence 'he has a lot to learn').

Had Contador not attacked the ASTANA TEAM and SPONSOR would be much better off. Better hopes of more riders on podium. Better hopes of one of their riders winning the stage.

SORRY - this is a business. It is not like the Cat V racing you do on the weekends.

Contador HAS A LOT TO LEARN.

Look here **** plug...I believe the Astana line the whole tour has been "AS LONG AS THE TEAM WINS"!!! Contador will win.

You are indeed a moron so please dive deeper and end it for the rest of us.

 

[Sheltowee]

I do not think anyone is questioning his ability or experience to win. You are missing the point. The comment is 'he has a lot to learn'.

Meaning , he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[klodifan]

That is not what happened. Contador quite clearly discussed the attack with Kloden who agreed they should go. Contador attacked, the Schlecks followed but Kloden blew up. Contador turned around and realised Kloden couldn't make it so slowed up to try and wait for him but then realised he was goosed. He had to continue obviously from then on in. Kloden agreed with Contador to attack. It was clear to see.

Quite clearly? Because I saw Klodi shaking his head no several times during those discussions.

 

[coppiman]

Really? What language were they using as you listened in?

The gestures and nods were enough. Then Contador conformed it in his interview. It looked obvious what was discussed.

 

[scribe]

Meaning , he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

The guy's artery to his brain isn't appreciably as large as the arteries to his legs.

 

[Carl0880]

Quite clearly? Because I saw Klodi shaking his head no several times during those discussions.

Its very possible that Contador was asking if he could attack and grab the stage win, as a reward for his hard work and he was shaking his head no. He asked a few more times to see if it had changed. his may not be it, but its a plausible explanation.

 

[TRDean]

Quite clearly? Because I saw Klodi shaking his head no several times during those discussions.

post race Contador said that he spoke with Klodi and Klodi said he could go...but then he couldn't. AC slowed the pace...but Klodi was cooked period!! All this adu about nothing...really nothing. Until Klodi comes out and *****es it is nothing. Not even LA and his twittering mean anything. Klodi is classy...so he will probably not say anything.

 

[scribe]

The gestures and nods were enough. Then Contador conformed it in his interview. It looked obvious what was discussed.

You mean they used caveman-ish? Kloden was confused by what the hell the guy was trying to say. That's what I saw.

 

[ak-zaaf]

SORRY - this is a business. It is not like the Cat V racing you do on the weekends.

a business in which he already knows his teammates would stab him in the back if they had the chance, the ds would give his right eye to have one of his teammates beat him and he needs a new team for next year. if caisse doesn't work out, why not fflatter saxo a little.

this is a business. contador has 10 more years left to make his money. waiting for teammates in a team that don't let your best buddy start, wants somebody else to win en publicly burns you down would be stupid. business wise.
sapniards love this and will pay for him anyway. saxo might too after this stage.

 

[schnebit]

That was CLEARLY a bonehead move... No one knows at this point what was discussed between AC and AK, but it doesn't matter - tactically it didn't make sense. Especially in light of the fact that he gave up the win to Frank Schleck!

Clearly, he didn't need to put more time distance to Andy and Frank. So, I'd have to think that his motivation in attacking was to go for the win. Why, at the end, did he give it up?

Clearly AC is out for himself and only himself...

Man, why attack and go for the win and then not take it...

 

[coppiman]

You mean they used caveman-ish? Kloden was confused by what the hell the guy was trying to say. That's what I saw.

Saw? Right, so you didn't hear either then?

 

[goober]

Look here **** plug...I believe the Astana line the whole tour has been "AS LONG AS THE TEAM WINS"!!! Contador will win.

You are indeed a moron so please dive deeper and end it for the rest of us.

Lol. That is you response? The response of defeat, confusion, loss...

The team winning can take on many facets. I agree with the 'as long as the team wins'; but, the situation has changed as the race is dynamic. He has the race almost won, pulling (although I have still not seen the race myself, my comments are based on info from here) other riders not on your team up the classification past a teammate riding along side you is just plain dumb and as the thread topic states 'isolates' which can be dangerous in many ways.

 

[NRS_Comp1]

That is not what happened. Contador quite clearly discussed the attack with Kloden who agreed they should go. Contador attacked, the Schlecks followed but Kloden blew up. Contador turned around and realised Kloden couldn't make it so slowed up to try and wait for him but then realised he was goosed. He had to continue obviously from then on in. Kloden agreed with Contador to attack. It was clear to see.

I really doubt he knew AC would attack he was actually looking away when he went, and I really doubt the Schleck would have upped the tempo if AC wouldn't attack. Klodi was barely staying on but he would have managed to finish with AC and not lose his good placing. And to be fair Klodi did a great job of helping AC last year in the Giro before droping out sick. Maybe he's the leader but if you can help your teamate without hurting your chances why not ? just a though

 

[TRDean]

a business in which he already knows his teammates would stab him in the back if they had the chance, the ds would give his right eye to have one of his teammates beat him and he needs a new team for next year. if caisse doesn't work out, why not fflatter saxo a little.

this is a business. contador has 10 more years left to make his money. waiting for teammates in a team that don't let your best buddy start, wants somebody else to win en publicly burns you down would be stupid. business wise.
sapniards love this and will pay for him anyway. saxo might too after this stage.

Very valid points!

 

[klodifan]

Its very possible that Contador was asking if he could attack and grab the stage win, as a reward for his hard work and he was shaking his head no. He asked a few more times to see if it had changed. his may not be it, but its a plausible explanation.

Yes, you are right. That's possible. I still think it would have been a better tactic to sit on the brothers wheels. He expended a lot of energy for little gain. He's got a lot to learn.

 

[schnebit]

Its very possible that Contador was asking if he could attack and grab the stage win, as a reward for his hard work and he was shaking his head no. He asked a few more times to see if it had changed. his may not be it, but its a plausible explanation.

If he wanted the win, why did he give it up to Frank Shleck? If any discussion was clear, that one was...

 

[schnebit]

Very valid points!

Not to stir the hornets' nest, but who's looking to stab him in the back? It's clear to me that the team is riding for AC...

 

[ruamruam]

Man, why attack and go for the win and then not take it...

Because it is unsporting to sprint after sitting in and not contributing to the work, that is why he didn't go for the sprint.

ruamruam

 

[TRDean]

Lol. That is you response? The response of defeat, confusion, loss...

The team winning can take on many facets. I agree with the 'as long as the team wins'; but, the situation has changed as the race is dynamic. He has the race almost won, pulling (although I have still not seen the race myself, my comments are based on info from here) other riders not on your team up the classification past a teammate riding along side you is just plain dumb and as the thread topic states 'isolates' which can be dangerous in many ways.

You have not seen the race...then shut up!!!!! Yes the race is dynamic...but only being up by a minute or two is not necessarily "almost won". Now the race is over. Klodi was not beside him...he was sitting back in 4th at the time...the whole time. He was cooked because the attack was not even that stront as Frank and Andy made it across after pulling the whole mountain

 

[klodifan]

a business in which he already knows his teammates would stab him in the back if they had the chance, the ds would give his right eye to have one of his teammates beat him and he needs a new team for next year. if caisse doesn't work out, why not fflatter saxo a little.

this is a business. contador has 10 more years left to make his money. waiting for teammates in a team that don't let your best buddy start, wants somebody else to win en publicly burns you down would be stupid. business wise.
sapniards love this and will pay for him anyway. saxo might too after this stage.

Here's the thing. Other than some smack talk to the media by LA, there is absolutely nothing his team did in the race that stabbed AC in the back. Stage 3 is debatable, but, even that wasn't an overt attack like AC did to Klodi and Lance.