Contador on Eurosport

[nowhereman]

That's not what CAS said, now is it? They even pointed out they didn't necessarily believe that was the cause, just that all they needed to do to dismiss Contador's defense is prove that such a scenario was more likely than the one put forward by Contador.

NO. YOU are trying to say that, that was what was implied by their decision. What they did say was that he accidentally ingested a contaminated food supplement, that's it. Their statement didn't "imply" anything else. That is YOUR interpretation of the decision, nothing more

 

[hrotha]

NO. YOU are trying to say that, that was what was implied by their decision. What they did say was that he accidentally ingested a contaminated food supplement, that's it. Their statement didn't "imply" anything else. That is YOUR interpretation of the decision, nothing more

http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5648/5048/0/FINAL20AWARD202012.02.06.pdf
Pg 93
Section 487

This does not mean that the Panel is convinced beyond reasonable doubt that this scenario of ingestion of a contaminated food supplement actually happened. This is not required by the UCI ADR or by the WADC, which refer the Panel only to the balance of probabilities as the applicable standard of the burden of proof.

Thank you, come again.

 

[nowhereman]

BTW, and this might be out of line, but anyway. This sport is filthy. BUT I LOVE IT ANYWAY. Just check out Team Rabobanks latest admission that their own doctors administered doping materials through 2007! Man, what else don't we know about, that is going on in the peloton??? It boggles the/my mind, and I'm not new on the block either, so it's not like I've been deluding myself. I say, screw it, let them do what they want. I just want to see a good show.Fans should realize all this unforgiving, hateful and judgmental banter means absolutely nothing to any of the real players. It's just an incredible waste of time and energy. Many feel perfectly fine with the fact that AC got all of his 2011 results taken away, with the CAS decision. Yet we know he was clean last year, because I'm sure the authorities were watching his blood values like a hawk. NO justice prevailed with their decision. It was simply covering their rear ends. In the end he was banned from participating in the sport, Any TV appearances are a result of a channels discretion, and do not fall under the authority of the sports governing bodies. Is that such as hard issue to figure out? Caruut and Merckx Index bring up some very good points.

 

[Elagabalus]

Merckx Index, has had a long history of being a Con-Symp* as his comment about Contador "being the biggest name in the sport" obviously shows.

In the end, he had clen in his system and as Magnitude sez "pop, pop!!!"



*Contador Sympathizer

 

[TourOfSardinia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ_fnYhI1HU

That link is a pres-in-giro anyone got a real one?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Merckx Index, has had a long history of being a Con-Symp* as his comment about Contador "being the biggest name in the sport" obviously shows.

In the end, he had clen in his system and as Magnitude sez "pop, pop!!!"



*Contador Sympathizer

You don't have to be a fan to know he is the biggest name in the sport.

 

[T_S_A_R]

He provided insufficient evidence to explain how the clenbuterol entered his system, but the court specified that there was also insufficient evidence to say he was guilty of doping - more a cover-ourselves-legally than anything else, in my opinion.

I believe that top-level cycling is riddled with drugs. As such I personally find it hard to justify treating those who got caught any worse (beyond them rightly serving their ban) than those who haven't tested positive. I know that that's not a casual fan's perspective, but to be honest, I think that cycling worries too much about what casual fans think.

When I said "commercially" I mean for the image of the sport - for that particular ES broadcast it makes sense.

when dopers win they get all the glory and reward. when they are caught they should have to eat ****.

contador has tainted the 2010 tour and 2011 giro and tour. think of all the 'stage winners' who were denied there place on the podium or the different tactics riders could have employed had bert not been in the race.

 

[LaFlorecita]

when dopers win they get all the glory and reward. when they are caught they should have to eat ****.

contador has tainted the 2010 tour and 2011 giro and tour. think of all the 'stage winners' who were denied there place on the podium or the different tactics riders could have employed had bert not been in the race.

Oh come on. How many wins did he get? He's no Cavendish.

 

[Cycle Chic]

i would have thought Eurosport should be neutral.....especially with all the controversy surrounding him. I give up with cycling and its doping problem....they should just stop pretending to test and let the riders do whatever they want - which leads me to a new thread - why doesnt sport impose a lifetime ban for doping.?

 

[LaFlorecita]

i would have thought Eurosport should be neutral.....especially with all the controversy surrounding him. I give up with cycling and its doping problem....they should just stop pretending to test and let the riders do whatever they want - which leads me to a new thread - why doesnt sport impose a lifetime ban for doping.?

*facepalm* What makes you think they are not neutral? You may not, but a lot of people do care about what he has to say.

 

[Cycle Chic]

because he has been caught CHEATING.....so why is he on tv ? cheating usuaully carries a certain stigma !

 

[LaFlorecita]

because he has been caught CHEATING.....so why is he on tv ? cheating usuaully carries a certain stigma !

Sigh.... why does it seem like all Brits hate Alberto?

 

[Elagabalus]

You don't have to be a fan to know he is the biggest name in the sport.

In racing, there is an expression-you're only as good as your last race.

 

[Merckx index]

That's not what CAS said, now is it? They even pointed out they didn't necessarily believe that was the cause, just that all they needed to do to dismiss Contador's defense is prove that such a scenario was more likely than the one put forward by Contador.

This does not mean that the Panel is convinced beyond reasonable doubt that this scenario of ingestion of a contaminated food supplement actually happened. This is not required by the UCI ADR or by the WADC, which refer the Panel only to the balance of probabilities as the applicable standard of the burden of proof.

What I said was

But officially, according to CAS, he accidentally took a contaminated supplement, so he’s not an intentional doper and can be interviewed.

There is nothing inconsistent between these two statements. Officially, OJ Simpson was liable for civil damages because of a murder he committed. That doesn’t mean the court believed he commited murder beyond a reasonable doubt—in fact, another court concluded he didn’t. Some people are confusing the standard of evidence that a court uses to reach a decision with the decision itself. A decision does not have to be based on reasonable doubt or even 50%; it is still an official decision. Contador officially was sanctioned for a contaminated supplement, regardless of the level of evidence supporting that decision.

Merckx Index, has had a long history of being a Con-Symp* as his comment about Contador "being the biggest name in the sport" obviously shows.

I assume this statement was meant in jest. For anyone even casually familiar with what I have been posting on the subject of Bert, it’s the only way to read it.

 

[LouieLouie]

because he has been caught CHEATING.....

Rubbish. The CAS proceedings concluded that it is more likely that the positive was caused by contaminated food supplements than by cheating.

 

[LaFlorecita]

In racing, there is an expression-you're only as good as your last race.

That's bull****

 

[The Hitch]

In racing, there is an expression-you're only as good as your last race.

Which according to WADA, was the Criterium du Dauphine he came 2nd in and won 2 stages in including L'alpe

 

[LaFlorecita]

Which according to WADA, was the Criterium du Dauphine he came 2nd in and won 2 stages in including L'alpe

Lol Hitch.

 

[Elagabalus]

Which according to WADA, was the Criterium du Dauphine he came 2nd in and won 2 stages in including L'alpe

Oh... TheHitch, I see what you did there! You got me! But in my defense may I just point out that some people believe that 2nd is first loser ...

 

[LaFlorecita]

Oh... TheHitch, I see what you did there! You got me! But in my defense may I just point out that some people believe that 2nd is first loser ...

But still... That means only Jani Brajkovic is better atm.

 

[gustienordic]

I don't understand all the hate on Contador. I'll admit that I used to be a Schleck fan, back when the only race I followed was the Tdf. Then, once I discovered that the cycling season isn't only in July, I started to dislike the riders who treat the TDF as the only race of the year. Contador sure didn't, which is why I respect him. I also respect him for being one of the best climbers and being able to animate a race. I also like that he occasionally cracks.

On a side note, I refuse to believe that he doped. The evidence seems too sketchy... if LA or Schleck would've had the same thing happen, nothing would've happened.

Contador is punished for not being a popular English speaker. There are numerous examples of riders punished differently because of their ties to English speaking teams or individuals.

Compare Offredo's case to Rasmussen's. Offredo missed three controls and was given a suspension. Rasmussen was let off the hook. I don't want to say which one I think was the right decision, but treat them the same. Don't change the decision based on Rasmussen riding for a popular American team vs. Offredo racing for a smaller French team.

 

[Havetts]

I don't understand all the hate on Contador. I'll admit that I used to be a Schleck fan, back when the only race I followed was the Tdf. Then, once I discovered that the cycling season isn't only in July, I started to dislike the riders who treat the TDF as the only race of the year. Contador sure didn't, which is why I respect him. I also respect him for being one of the best climbers and being able to animate a race. I also like that he occasionally cracks.

On a side note, I refuse to believe that he doped. The evidence seems too sketchy... if LA or Schleck would've had the same thing happen, nothing would've happened.

Contador is punished for not being a popular English speaker. There are numerous examples of riders punished differently because of their ties to English speaking teams or individuals.

Compare Offredo's case to Rasmussen's. Offredo missed three controls and was given a suspension. Rasmussen was let off the hook. I don't want to say which one I think was the right decision, but treat them the same. Don't change the decision based on Rasmussen riding for a popular American team vs. Offredo racing for a smaller French team.

What the f*ck is up with the "minority-complex"? The UCI obviously did not want to make a case, WADA did. The Spanish federation cleared him, WADA appealed..

Seriously if you think he is being treated unfairly cause he is "not a popular English speaker" you should have a reality check.

 

[maltiv]

I couldnt quite believe that on British Eurosport we had about an hour run up to the Giro with Senor Contador. Isnt he banned for DOPING !!!!

.....and here we have an in depth interview which lets us see how he is spending his time during suspension.

Which other sport would ignore that this is a sportsman banned for doping ??? and yet Eurosport give hime prime spot for the 1st stage of the Giro.

Why is he different from any other rider serving a ban ??? its just more 'cloak and dagger' for the sport and Eurosport cozying up to Senor Contador.

and for ref. i like contador but this doesnt do anything for the sports reputation. If any joe bloggs switched on eurosport - they would say who's this guy then ? 'oh he's banned for doping'.

No, no other sport would do it because they don't ban anyone important. How many big stars have been caught in doping in other sports? Practically zero, because they're corrupt as **** and don't even do tests anyway.

I know this has been explained a million times, but I'll go again...Contador is per se not banned for "doping" directly, but for having illegal substances in his body. If you read the report from CAS, they actually conclude that they believe that Contador wasn't doped, but that because he cannot prove that he is innocent he must be banned either way according to the rules (it is up to a rider to prove innocence after doping positive).

There is no solid proof that Contador was doped. 0,0000000000050g of Clenbuterol proves nothing, because that dose is impossible to take willingly (unless he sat down and said "hey, I'm going to cut this clenbuterol doze up in a gazillion pieces and consume one of them for a massive weight loss!"). There can only be two explanations for such low values: either food contamination, or blood doping with blood that contained clenbuterol. Neither of those scenarios have been proven or disproven.

In fact, CAS concluded that the latter was "very unlikely". So please, before you label Contador as a convicted doper, try to educate yourself on the case.

 

[nowhereman]

http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5648/5048/0/FINAL20AWARD202012.02.06.pdf
Pg 93
Section 487

Thank you, come again.

Nice. They talk in circles, and then they tell us what they have deduced from thin air. Namely that they prefer to not allow that he ingested the clen from meat, for a reason that they do not/ cannot fully explain. But that they conclude that it was from a contaminated food supplement. All they end up saying is that they don't believe it was from a steak, which we all knew was never going to be proven. They're full of crepe, and their conclusion is based on speculation that supports a theory they already wanted to come to. They achieved their goals. What goals do YOU have on this point? He's coming back in August whether you like it or not and I have a feeling that he is going to put a hurting on the peloton all over again. In the meantime, he will be on TV whenever the broadcasters want, whether the posters in this thread or this entire forum dislike it or not. That's how much they care about our opinions. Why don't you just kick back and enjoy the competition, and understand, they really don't care about us at all. I know I don't feel hurt about that.
Thank you, come again.:

 

[Caruut]

I don't understand, not having the Contador segment would be "vilifying" dopers?

No, I thought the OP was.