Contador positive!!!!!

[Ferminal]

WTF!? I spend all night with my friend at the hospital and all this crap happens?!



How come people get away with micro-dosing EPO then?

Are they able to differentiate between natural and synthetic EPO at low concentrations?

 

[Franklin]

FWIW: A test from a Belgian consumers organisation (2008) showed that a lot Spanish beef is indeed contaminated with Clenbuterol. Also, if you google it, it's indeed giving up hits.

Added is that an ex-wada director also suspects Fuyu was contaminated due to the minute amount.

I'm pretty sure he will be able to fight this one succesfully.

 

[Guttercat]

twitpic stole my picture last night :/

Contador just released a press statement with complete explanation

Great. First Chaingate, then Steakgate, now... Fingergate.

 

[python]

No, the really, really important thing is that the athlete's careers are utterly dependent on a system that's basically flawed: A positive in one lab can be a negative in another. There's got to be a baseline, a consensus as to what constitutes a positive, content-wise.

i can understand your position and as should be obvious from my post above i took some time explaining where and why wada's system is inconsistent or poor, but i guess everyone will only stress their own beef (pun not intended).

that's why i'm out of here. little left to invest any time in.

 

[Publicus]

Uhh, he tested positive for a banned substance (regardless of the details), any legitimate, transparent and non-corrupt organisation would report this as a positive test

So it does beg the question, why would the UCI of all organisations come public with this.

My conjecture is that the Landis allegations has them erring on the side of caution much more so than in the past. Imagine if someone knew about the positive, UCI investigates and concludes it was from the food, and doesn't suspend him or disclose the positive. I could see claims of cover-up in that case.

This looks way more like CYA than anything else.

 

[Winterfold]

Cheers Bro/python

bummer that a +ve in one lab could be -ve in another, that's the way the cookie crumbles...

I still think his defence is plausible, I will enjoy the situation once I have worked out an equally plausible conspiracy theory that pins blame on The Hog.

 

[53 x 11]

Very little will happen.........It's not like they found EPO in 6 samples or anything.

 

[Roland Rat]

So it does beg the question, why would the UCI of all organisations come public with this.

Did they have a choice? If the lab sends the result to both the UCI and WADA, the UCI can't pretend they know nothing.

 

[Publicus]

Clen is forbidden, so we can expect they'll say no

Thanks for explaining. So it may not be as simple as I surmised.

If I recall correctly, he was in yellow the next day and finished 2nd on the stage. He more than likely was tested that day as well. I wonder if it was blood and urine, or just blood.

Questions, questions, questions abound. Seems the UCI did the right thing in provisionally suspending him. I hope this gets sorted (one way or the other) very quickly.

 

[icefire]

Nigerian born Spanish athlete Josephine Onyia also tested positive for clen, was cleared by Spanish Federation but the ruling was overturned by TAS:

http://www.marca.com/2009/05/20/atletismo/1242823381.html
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/depo...da/anos/TAS/elpepudep/20091007elpepudep_9/Tes

I haven't found accurate figures, but her clen levels were said to be very low

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Did they have a choice? If the lab sends the result to both the UCI and WADA, the UCI can't pretend they know nothing.

They kept it hidden for more than a month now, why today?
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SUZUKI FR-50 HISTORY

 

[auscyclefan94]

I find Lemond's comments a tad odd. Especially after his comments at Verbier. I think he is trying to give the benefit of the doubt to AC because he looked bad after his comments about verbier. Because greg is completely against drug cheats!

“Anything like this is devastating but this is like someone going positive for marijuana, I don’t think there’s a benefit to it but if it’s on the list, it’s on the list. I’m trying to walk a fine line but I don’t believe in the transparency of the sport or that there’s equal treatment for everyone out there. It just blows me away.”

Greg, Alberto surely knows that Clenbuterol is a banned substance. If he did not intentiaonally take it, well that is unfortunate but the consequences of what the drug does and the dosage should not be taken into account. It is a banned substance.

I thought someone said Clenbuterol can be used as a masking agent. Though I do love how everyone will jump to the defence of Alberto.

It seems a very long time for Alberto to keep the news quiet.It seems very odd that vinokourov had "no meat" on the time Alberto's food was contaminated.

but unfortunately he will get away with it. But the strech of time Alberto will be out for with the investigation, court cases, etc could drag out over a long period of time. Fuyu Li has been banned for having small amount so why shouldn't Alberto. If Clenbuterol is commonly on meat then why haven't so many other riders gone down for it?

 

[Christian]

In my opinion there are two possibilities:

1) Contador is really, really dumb
2) Contador is really, really stupid.

In a GT you eat whatever the chef gives you. Not what some friend found on the market somewhere in the middle of nowhere of Spain

 

[austinspinner]

Those interested should check out this 1998 paper from the Spanish health department outlining the incidence of Clenbuterol POISIONING from eating contaminated beef.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1382130/

There are hundreds (alot) of scientific papers from around the world addressing this issue.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Löfkvist comments:

- Asthma, he has, but it will be interesting to see what he says. He claims of course that someone must have put it in his food, but they have their own chef. It's the same every time, everyone must have a good excuse, "said Thomas Löfkvist to eurosport.se.

- It's really sad, it destroys so much. First, he bikes from one in a way that makes you appear ridiculous. Then he gets prize money, he earns huge money. When he is caught then I have to sit and defend cycling against people who take drugs. Sponsors will disappear from the sport and then I get less pay. In other words, you're screwed in every way.

"Gotland", who competes for Team Sky, has met with Contador in lots of competitions and describes him as a good person. Although the Spaniard is a superstar in the sport of cycling, he is no diva.

- It's more of a surprise when someone like that goes down. There are many idiots that do not surprise you. I do not understand that people do not learn, I do not get it together. Contador is still so good and should stay within the rules.

Has there been suspicions against Contador in the race?

- All who go fast'll have suspicions against them, sadly. But there have been no alleged suspicions against him in particular.

Contador is likely to recieve a two year ban. A punishment too mild according to Löfkvist.

- There should be a life-time ban, in my opinion. It's one thing if you made a small mistake and accidentally ingested a certain medication. But if you acted knowingly and took for example EPO, you should be banned for life.

Larsson:

- First and foremost I am very surprised. It is a form of asthma medication and the values were very low. I remember when Alessandro Petacchi was caught, then the values were very high. So Contador is no clear case so far. We'll see what happens, more than that, I can not say. I will not judge directly, "says Larson.

 

[indurain666]

Err... Just divide those 20 micrograms between... say 5000 ml (being generous) -> 4 ng/ml. Not the thousands times what he got, only 80 times the 50 pg/ml figure that has been published

You are correct, I need my coffee before doing math. Only 80 times? Quite a bit if you ask me. Hypothetically speaking, if I wanted to get high on crack why would I take 80 times less the normal dosage? But still, assuming he took the whole 200 pound bodybuilder dose of 200mcg, why would he do it?

 

[Animal]

How about they specifically test a whole load of other cyclists' samples from that day? See if there's any other +ves.

I'm willing to believe that such low concentrations can come from performance enhancing agricultural techniques.

Food animals are pumped full of god knows what nowadays. That's what the organic hippies are on about.

 

[mwbyrd]

Did he get food that no one else on the team got? If there was shared food, why didn't the teammates test positive too?

On top of this, if the steak was cooked, isn't there a good chance the contaminate would have been 'burned off'?

I have a friend in the meat business. He said that the steriods used to grow the cows faster gets 'cooked out' when the meat is cooked. So ingesting steriods through meat consumption isn't really possible. BUT he did say that he will only allow his girls to have organic milk.

 

[luckyboy]

Does anyone think this is a bit weird - no positives at all in the TdF for 2 years and then the biggest one of them all gets caught. Nobody else has had miniscule trace amounts of this or that in their bloodstream?

 

[Christian]

One way or the other, nothing will come of this. Remember Spain's investigation of "Valv-Piti": "Valverde did not dope" - end of investigation.

Anyways this is just hilarious:

Interviews in Zeitungen erscheinen manchmal zum denkbar ungünstigsten Zeitpunkt. Fast zeitgleich mit der Bekanntgabe der positiven Dopingprobe von Contador erscheint am Mittwoch in der deutschen Sportzeitschrift "Sport Bild" ein Interview mit dem Spanier. Darin äußert er sich über das Thema Doping ...

Contador hat laut eigenen Aussagen genug von der Doping-Diskussion im Radsport. „Der Sport muss wieder im Vordergrund stehen“, fordert er.

Der 27-Jährige, der vor vier Jahren selbst mit der Affäre um den Mediziner Eufemiano Fuentes in Verbindung gebracht worden war, glaubt mittlerweile nach eigenen Angaben an einen sauberen Sport. „Dopingfälle sind Vergangenheit. Wir haben harte Kontrollen, zuletzt gab es keine positiven Tests.“

- Sometimes interviews get published at the worst possible time. German paper "Sport Bild" published an interview with Contador on Wednesday, almost at the exact same time that his positive test got public. In this interview, Contador speaks about his views on doping:

"The sport must get back into the focus", says the Spaniard, who apparently has had enough of the doping-discussion in cycling.

The 27 year old, who was rumoured to be a client of Eufemiano Fuentes four years ago, believes in a clean sport. "Doping belongs to the past. We have strict tests, lately there have been no positive tests".

Again, judging by this statement and by the fact that he knew of his positive test over a month, I come to the conclusion:

Contador must be really, really dumb.

/edit: Sorry, forgot to post the link:
http://www.wort.lu/wort/web/sport/a.../contador-dopingfaelle-sind-vergangenheit.php

 

[auscyclefan94]

Originally Posted by ultimobici View Post
JUst checked the level that Fuyu Li was found to have in his sample and compared it to Contador. It is the same level!!

Fuyu Li had 0.05=0.1 ng
Contador had 50 pg

50pg = 0.05 ng

I can't see them letting him off unless Fuyu Li is too.

If you condiser Jessica Hardy's case, he's looking at 12 months at least.
How is 0.1 ng the same as 0.05 ng?

It appears FY's concentration twice that of AC... seems close enough to generate similar sanctions?

Very interesting. What race was Fuyu Li's test from?

It just means the lab is good and its methods exceed the detection requirements. If it was a lab which was not so good it would have never been found, but it was found it has to be reported (by the lab) regardless of whether it was performance enhancing, ingested knowingly or not.

I think Contador will end up with a sanction. He will definitely lose his TdF win. The suspension length is up in the air though, I'd probably guess it will be somewhere between 3 months and 12 months.

There was a case in Australia recently where a swimmer whose "asthma medicine was mislabeled" received only a 3 month suspension.

His name is Ryan napoleon. He was just given the wrong medication which is why he tested positive for Formoterol.

he lives in Spain and will face the Spanish authorties. He'd have no problem if he took steroids!

It seems interesting that whenever Contador has a bad performance he blames allergies. Is Clen used for any allergy treatments?

 

[doxter]

In my opinion there are two possibilities:

1) Contador is really, really dumb
2) Contador is really, really stupid.

In a GT you eat whatever the chef gives you. Not what some friend found on the market somewhere in the middle of nowhere of Spain

straight off theres another ...

 

[ludwig]

Here we go again. Sooner or later Contador was going to pay the price for staying with Astana after Bruyneel left. He went to CSC a year too late and now CSC will have to dive into the market.

 

[davestoller]

What I dont find believable at all is that Contador finds out Aug 24 and then can recall, in the middle of a GT when everyone is completely blown, the day before the TOurmalet, that he, that one night, had different beef, and none of the other five riders were tested and Vino had the fish, and blah blah blah.
Doesnt have the ring of veracity to me.

But doesnt matter, ask Scott Moniger who was banned for trace steroids and had the bottle and supplement that was tested and proved it was contaminated. He was banned for a year. And everyone including USADA agreed it was contamnated. Contador's excuse is perfect. No one can test the cow etc etc.

Oh yeah, cant resist this:
Discovery famously had its own chef and bought its own food from locals far away from the Tour hotel to remove any possibility of planned contamination and cooked their own food in their own cookware.

Sucks Alberto doesnt it to leave a team that leaves nothing to chance.

 

[doxter]

What I dont find believable at all is that Contador finds out Aug 24 and then can recall, in the middle of a GT when everyone is completely blown, the day before the TOurmalet, that he, that one night, had different beef, and none of the other five riders were tested and Vino had the fish, and blah blah blah.
Doesnt have the ring of veracity to me.

But doesnt matter, ask Scott Moniger who was banned for trace steroids and had the bottle and supplement that was tested and proved it was contaminated. He was banned for a year. And everyone including USADA agreed it was contamnated. Contador's excuse is perfect. No one can test the cow etc etc.

is scott around ? scott can you answer this one please