Cops Called on USADA Suprise Test at USAC Event

[zigmeister]

Especially when USADA pays for all unannounced testing:

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/mtb/UCI_USADA_dopingcontrolMTB.pdf

Do you see a problem with the first few sentences of that link you provided, and the entire document for that matter?

These guys show up unannounced saying they are there to perform testing.

USA Cycling and USADA didn't even follow their own protocol and procedures. First, they need to contact the promoter and ensure all of the proper things will be available and in place to even carry out the testing. If you can't get the promoter to get that all done to performing the test, it can't happen.

Furthermore, it implies that the promoter will have prior knowledge by the fact that they will contact the promoter. How are they going to do that? By walking up in the middle of a race and say "we are here to perform testing"? No. None of the facilities and staff would even be in place to accommodate these guys.

No businessman/promoter, is going to affect his bottom line out of the blue, add cost, time, staff and expense, and likely delays and mayhem, to help USADA out when they show up unannounced. As this promoter didn't take kindly to obviously.

Lastly, the USA Cycling Technical Director provides the lists of what events will be tested. So they know beforehand, and that should not give any excuse to not contact and work with the promoter to ensure properly facilities and staff are in place to accommodate them. Yet, nobody picked up the phone and called the promoter to ensure proper procedures can be carried out??? Wow, amateur hour doesn't just describe the people at the event competing, but the USA Cycling and USADA daily operations and complete lack of logic, reason, common sense and practicality.

 

[131313]

Do you see a problem with USADA, this situation, and how they don't even follow their own protocol?

can you point to a single thing they did which was against their own protocol?

 

[zigmeister]

So, they failed to announce their unannounced testing?

Although I'll defer to your expertise re: clowns, I assure you that the protocol was followed in this case.

Sorry, but they haven't incorporated the "20 minute shower break" into the protocol yet.

PS, that floridacleanride.org fund is being developed to assist in paying for PROMOTER REQUESTED TESTING. UCI and USADA unannounced testing is paid for by USADA. The promoter has nothing to do with it, but get out of the way. (Unless he's a clown).

You fail to see what point is made. They are supposed to coordinate and contact the promoter to ensure the proper facilities are in place to accommodate the testing. If not, they need to bring it themselves. Which they apparently did not do any of that, per their own procedures. Whether it falls under section 3, or 4, whatever. Who pays for it doesn't matter. The proper procedure and facilities need to be in place. Which there were none.

Does the USADA just show up at an event, unannounced, without the promoters knowledge, and have all of the facilities available in place and perform controls?

 

[MacRoadie]

Do you see a problem with the first few sentences of that link you provided, and the entire document for that matter?

These guys show up unannounced saying they are there to perform testing.

USA Cycling and USADA didn't even follow their own protocol and procedures. First, they need to contact the promoter and ensure all of the proper things will be available and in place to even carry out the testing. If you can't get the promoter to get that all done to performing the test, it can't happen.

Furthermore, it implies that the promoter will have prior knowledge by the fact that they will contact the promoter. How are they going to do that? By walking up in the middle of a race and say "we are here to perform testing"? No. None of the facilities and staff would even be in place to accommodate these guys.

No businessman/promoter, is going to affect his bottom line out of the blue, add cost, time, staff and expense, and likely delays and mayhem, to help USADA out when they show up unannounced. As this promoter didn't take kindly to obviously.

Lastly, the USA Cycling Technical Director provides the lists of what events will be tested. So they know beforehand, and that should not give any excuse to not contact and work with the promoter to ensure properly facilities and staff are in place to accommodate them. Yet, nobody picked up the phone and called the promoter to ensure proper procedures can be carried out??? Wow, amateur hour doesn't just describe the people at the event competing, but the USA Cycling and USADA daily operations and complete lack of logic, reason, common sense and practicality.

Ok, we'll try this again until it sinks in:

4) USADA shows up unannounced
USADA pays for everything

We do understand what the word "unannounced" means. Yes? And the word "everything"?

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Do you see a problem with USADA, this situation, and how they don't even follow their own protocol?

3 clowns with lanyards show up, unannounced at an event, and start claiming "we are here to do testing."

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. There are proper protocols and procedures that need to be followed, and rights of the promoter and competitors.

Next...see the link.

http://www.floridacleanridefund.com/


Florida, and this is primarily driven by the race organizers, teams and riders, are the only state trying to create a fund to have properly performed random USADA testing done at events in Florida.

Note the key words, properly performed. The questions and issues this incident raised have all been discussed regarding the process, methodologies and requirements of organizations and what it will take to make it happen without causing mayhem during the event.

USADA and USA Cycling really need to learn a lesson in basic partnership, communication, methodology and procedures when dealing with promoters and the members potentially involved and affected by this type of situation.

This should be filed under the "How not to go about performing doping controls at an amateur event" category.

If someone has some evidence/contracts to show that a promoter is required to allow unannounced USADA control people at your permitted events and must do whatever it required to comply with their needs...I would like to see that link or document.

Ignore.......

 

[zigmeister]

can you point to a single thing they did which was against their own protocol?

Yes, it is posted right here by another person.

Originally Posted by MacRoadie View Post
Especially when USADA pays for all unannounced testing:

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/mtb/...controlMTB.pdf


It states exactly what should happen to perform controls. Three guys with lanyards show up and apparently none of the USA Cycling controls document were even followed.

Here is the first sentence from the document:

"There are 4 ways that a race has anti-doping as shown below. In all cases, either the UCI-appointed Doping Control Officer (DCO) or the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) DCO will contact the organizer and inform him or her of what premises are needed and how many chaperones will be needed."

So, did they do that? No, the promoter had no knowledge these guys were showing up, who they were, and why they were there, except their lanyards and verbal claims. Mr Law enforcement, please tell these clowns to leave my promotion I'm permitted to perform in this city/county within these premises....good day.

 

[131313]

Does the USADA just show up at an event, unannounced, without the promoters knowledge, and have all of the facilities available in place and perform controls?

yes, that's exactly how it works. They bring a big white pop-up tent with a curtain around it, male and female chaperones (if they're testing both fields), a card table, a stack of forms, 2 chairs and some vials. It's really not that complicated.

The promoter has no right to be notified--that notification is explicit in the fact that the race is contracted through the federation.

 

[131313]

Yes, it is posted right here by another person.

Originally Posted by MacRoadie View Post
Especially when USADA pays for all unannounced testing:

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/mtb/...controlMTB.pdf

either you can't read or you're deliberately lying to obscure the facts, either to protect dopers or to continue to try to make USADA out to be the villain. So, which is it?

 

[Huckleberry]

This is from USADA's website:

"Test Distribution Planning Allocation

When developing its Test Distribution Plan, a plan for efficient and effective allocation of Testing resources, USADA’s considerations are constistent with WADA’s International Standards for Testing (IST). These standards, at a minimum, may include:

•Physical demands of the sport and possible performance-enhancing effect that doping may elicit


•Available doping analysis statistics


•Available research on doping trends


•The history of doping in the sport and/or discipline


•Training periods and the competition calendar


•Information received on possible doping practices


•Resources aimed at the detection of doping may be specifically targeted and


•USADA retains the right to test any athlete at any time."

I think the last one allows them to show up unannounced.......

 

[zigmeister]

yes, that's exactly how it works. They bring a big white pop-up tent with a curtain around it, male and female chaperones (if they're testing both fields), a card table, a stack of forms, 2 chairs and some vials. It's really not that complicated.

The promoter has no right to be notified--that notification is explicit in the fact that the race is contracted through the federation.

You are right, it isn't that complicated. The document doesn't state clearly, except that the event organizer will be contacted by one of those people. One person claimed to be the "DCO".

Also, the names provided, none were a woman. The 3 names listed, and admitted by the DCO were all men.

But wait, the USA Cycling document and protocol states:

Doping Control Station Requirements Personnel:
Designated Site Coordinator for doping control
One male and one female doctor or nurse
One chaperone for every athlete being tested


Where was this 1 woman? In the van with the "tent".

Was this a male only race event? So no woman was needed? Or they just decided that proper procedures outlined in the document should not be followed?

The police report obviously doesn't provide a great deal of information except for a request to throw them off the premises of the promotion permitted by the city/county. We don't have the rest of the story yet, or maybe never will.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Filtering through zigmeister's garbage is getting tiresome.

Amazing this guy is unable to understand the concept of "unannounced testing".

As has been posted "USADA retains the right to test any athlete at any time and any location."

Here's the handbook. Bottom of page 14.

http://www.usada.org/uploads/2012_athlete_handbook.pdf

USA Cycling states:
Who can be tested and when?

Basically, if you’re an athlete in the sport of cycling, you are subject to both urine and blood tests, 365 days–a-year, at any time, and in any place.

IN-COMPETITION TESTING: USADA coordinates these in-competition tests with USA Cycling or the UCI, and athletes are usually selected for testing based on pre-established criteria, including random. An example would be selecting the top three finishers in a race for testing, as well as other randomly selected finishers. Keep in mind that in addition to pre-established criteria, USADA could also test additional athletes.

OUT-OF-COMPETITION TESTING: USADA establishes its plan for out-of-competition testing based on the number of cycling athletes in the USADA Registered Testing Pool. However, not being in the pool doesn’t mean you won’t be subject to out-of-competition testing. As is the case during competition, USADA can select additional athletes for testing.

http://www.usacycling.org/how-does-usada-ensure-a-fair-playing-field-for-amateurs.htm

 

[kielbasa]

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Where was this 1 woman? In the van with the "tent".

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Do they have to test a woman when they show up?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Here is how the process happens:

http://www.usada.org/urine/
http://www.usada.org/blood/

There is zero evidence that USADA did anything wrong, despite the incessant crap from the anti-USADA Lance trolls.

 

[The Gnome]

so now the lance-boys are even arguing about the validity of testing for local races? wow...

this is how it works...they show up out of the blue at a race and they might test you...they might show up at your house even if you have won a few things...this is called the element of surprise, see...go figure...

people who cheat, lie, embezzle...whatever, name your crime...all would love a heads up at this fundamental element of surprise I am sure...

incredible the self delusions and flat out lying to themselves and others some go to when their little idol has been nailed...jeez, grow up...

 

[D-Queued]

This is from USADA's website:

...

•USADA retains the right to test any athlete at any time."

I think the last one allows them to show up unannounced.......

Congratulations! (this is not sarcasm)

Four posts to cut to the chase, when others on this thread have 100x that amount and are living in the clouds.

But, we have two pieces of clarity from this.

1. The absolutely obvious implication of 'unannounced' testing is one.

2. The absolute confirmation of the desire of one poster to undermine the anti-doping process.

Zig... read your UCI license. If you don't like it, don't get one.

Dave.

 

[131313]

But wait, the USA Cycling document and protocol states:

Doping Control Station Requirements Personnel:
Designated Site Coordinator for doping control
One male and one female doctor or nurse
One chaperone for every athlete being tested


Where was this 1 woman? In the van with the "tent".

Was this a male only race event? So no woman was needed? Or they just decided that proper procedures outlined in the document should not be followed?

please stop lying in an attempt to smear USADA. They can choose whatever field they want to test if the testing is instigated by them. So, they didn't "decide they wouldn't follow proper procedure". You continuing to lie about it doesn't make it any more true.

 

[131313]

so now the lance-boys are even arguing about the validity of testing for local races? wow...

sad, isn't it? It's pretty obvious that some folks care more about preserving the myth which they bought into more than clean sport. Ultimately this is about rationalizing their own thought process and hero worship more than anything.

 

[the big ring]

Congratulations! (this is not sarcasm)

Four posts to cut to the chase, when others on this thread have 100x that amount and are living in the clouds.

But, we have two pieces of clarity from this.

1. The absolutely obvious implication of 'unannounced' testing is one.

2. The absolute confirmation of the desire of one poster to undermine the anti-doping process.

Zig... read your UCI license. If you don't like it, don't get one.

Dave.

As an amateur I would actually feel kinda honored to be dope controlled. And would never have a problem with it - coz I don't dope.

To be fair, it does sound like this is the first time USADA have conducted testing in this way with this particular promoter. I can understand he would have some concern but in the current climate would not be calling the police first, I'd be exploring race-based USAC / USOC / USADA avenues instead.

Thinking further, it would seem this is the first time this promoter has ever had a race dope controlled, which seems strange given it appears he runs a number of events.

el oh el to the nufties bleating about USADA having to warn promoters they are going to be at the race before race time for "unannounced" doping controls. What planet, seriously?

 

[The Gnome]

sad, isn't it? It's pretty obvious that some folks care more about preserving the myth which they bought into more than clean sport. Ultimately this is about rationalizing their own thought process and hero worship more than anything.

and since when do all of these clowns get all hotted up about "following protocols"?

oh right...after years of proudly waving around the "passed over 500 tests" banner now the only leg to stand on is whining and nitpicking about "protocol"...be serious.

Pretty thin gruel...
If you guys need a hero so badly, find a new one...I am sure there are a few out there...maybe you'll get lucky and Taylor Phinny will start winning races one of these days...

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

So, this is a great opportunity for people in the US to make a bit of a stir over some of the problems in cycling. What are you going to do?

 

[alanshearer]

"There are 4 ways that a race has anti-doping as shown below. In all cases, either the UCI-appointed Doping Control Officer (DCO) or the US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) DCO will contact the organizer and inform him or her of what premises are needed and how many chaperones will be needed."

So, did they do that? No, the promoter had no knowledge these guys were showing up, who they were, and why they were there, except their lanyards and verbal claims. Mr Law enforcement, please tell these clowns to leave my promotion I'm permitted to perform in this city/county within these premises....good day.

Seems like they "contacted" the organizer in this case, and the organizer's response was to call the cops. Nothing in the "contact" requirement says anything about advance notice.

We don't know what discussions, if any, took place regarding the premises or chaperones needed. Those are facts not in evidence at this time. I would assume, however, that the testers showed with their own equipment and were prepared to have their own chaperones. But it may not have even got to that point, being that they were in the middle of the "contact" part when the cops were called.

And what's with the constant reference to the testers showing up "with lanyards?" They showed up with identification.

 

[amp300]

As an amateur I would actually feel kinda honored to be dope controlled. And would never have a problem with it - coz I don't dope.

same here, I'd ask for a picture too while they are withdrawing blood. Maybe a pic of the stall (outside of the stall that is)if it was urine.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

please stop lying in an attempt to smear USADA. They can choose whatever field they want to test if the testing is instigated by them. So, they didn't "decide they wouldn't follow proper procedure". You continuing to lie about it doesn't make it any more true.

What? They bring you all the way out to pee in a field??

What about my human/constitutional/Religious rights to avoid unannounced test that I agreed to?

sad, isn't it? It's pretty obvious that some folks care more about preserving the myth which they bought into more than clean sport. Ultimately this is about rationalizing their own thought process and hero worship more than anything.

Well, to be fair to Ziggy - Our Lance got told when he was going to be tested, you should too - its in the constitution. (at the back written in white)

 

[131313]

What? They bring you all the way out to pee in a field??

What about my human/constitutional/Religious rights to avoid unannounced test that I agreed to?

I take it you've never actually seen one of those sketchy white tents! Trust me, given the option I'd take an open field any day... At smaller races it's not at all like you see on TV, with podium girls escorting you to a fancy bus with "dopage" printed on it. Not like that at all....

 

[mksndz]

Wow, a lot of stupid stuff in this thread, as usual.

I'm an ex-Florida MTB racer. I know the scene and the promoter in question. Very interesting turn of events to say the least.

It's safe to say there's been a problem with dopers in Florida, and people lately have tried to do something about it. Somebody already posted about the Florida Clean Ride Fund, which is just starting up. Unfortunately most of the "big" Florida teams have not signed up (surprise). Some top roadies also race in the MTB series so its perfectly reasonable to assume that people could be doping in a silly Florida "local" MTB race.

We also have at least 1 MTB rider who has some decent results on the National level, Ryan Woodall.

http://twitter.com/ryan_woodall

He claims to be one of those targeted for testing by these USADA testers. For the conspiracy types, Ryan and the race promoter are very close and live in the same smallish town (Ocala, FL). Were testers to inform the promoter ahead of time that there would be testing at the event word would spread very quickly i fear, and surely no one would be 'glowing' or whatever.