This is the sort of generalization that discredits any good, credible points you make. Is Blue the code for "bad"?Exactly.
For Blue States it could be reworded... “we aren’t able to get the vaccine into the correct people’s arms”
Sadly, a shot in an arm is not a win if it’s not the PC arm that gets the shot. That is the USA in 2021.
AFAIK there are no current studies - BUT when Britain has been in forms of lockdown since November and they just reached their peak number of infections after nearly 2 months it indicates the new strain is extremely infectious.Are there actually any studies about the British mutation being that much more contagious?
Yeh, 4,447 deaths recorded in America on January 12. Japan has lost 4,147 since this all started.More people died yesterday in the USA than died during the whole pandemic in Japan. That blew my mind. It looks like we are about to hit our post holiday peak at 131K hospitalizations, so the numbers should start to improve.
Unfortunately I'm not sure there will be enough vaccine to really start seeing improvements (in the US) until the end of March or early April. With the news that the J&J vaccine isn't going to have as much as hoped to begin with either that means even with hopefully more approved (EUA) vaccines there still won't be a lot of it. Hoping the numbers are decent when we get those hopefully in the near future.Yeh, 4,447 deaths recorded in America on January 12. Japan has lost 4,147 since this all started.
I posted a while ago it seemed cases were rising but not deaths. Merckx corrected me that deaths inevitably follow new cases. Now we see the tragic outcome. I really hope the positive effect of the vaccine starts to become evident in these painful statistics soon.
I would also like to add this thread has been a valuable resource to me. Kudos to the OP and regular contributors here, including yourself. It can be difficult to sift through all the news in the media to get facts and perspective. This place provides a good source even though the "P" word can bog it down sometimes although that is probably inevitable.
Thanks for the reply. Yes, that sounds like the most plausible explanation. Still media and politicans already talked about it being 56 or 70% more infectious before chrismas, that always sounded a bit strange to me because of the lack of data.AFAIK there are no current studies - BUT when Britain has been in forms of lockdown since November and they just reached their peak number of infections after nearly 2 months it indicates the new strain is extremely infectious.
I don't either. It's from the LA Times, so.....I don't know the numbers you are using here are correct.
Sure it does. Here's an example. Cali's Politically Correct order of vaccination tiers. The incarcerated and homeless are in the same Tier as those 65+ and will be vaccinated before individuals 50-64 years of age and workers in Water and Wastewater, Defense, Energy, Chemical and Hazardous Material, Communication/IT, Financial Services, Government Operations.The political party of the state Governor doesn't look to important for deaths,hospitalization and they overall strategy if that's your point.
And understand CLEARLY that there is more going on in the world than Covid. Walking and chewing gum. Some people can apparently you can't.So most people, look at a 30ft tall metal fence
I would say when Cuomo puts out stupidity that makes DiBlasio's criticism make perfect sense then there might be a leadership problem.This is the sort of generalization that discredits any good, credible points you make. Is Blue the code for "bad"?
I have a few close friends who work in hospitals (PA & 2 nurses). All three have had their second shot. All three had no side effects from the first besides soreness at the injection site. Of the three, all have had more severe side effects to the second dose. 2 had chills, body aches and felt like crap for about 24 hours and then were fine. The 3rd one was a little sicker but was over it in about 36 hours.I know 2 people who have now gotten their first vaccine shot. In both cases they have received the Moderna vaccine. One got hers today and has had no side effects at all. The other got hers last week on Friday. She did have sore arm for about a day. However, she also said that she almost always has a sore arm for several hours after any vaccine.
65+ have been moved up a tier since the feds changed the guidelines*. I would bump up 50+ with risk factors into this group, but other than that I think the CA tiers are pretty standard. Congregate living is a big risk factor for disease spread, so most states are going to vaccinate the homeless and prisoners pretty early. They are next up in MD. It may not seem fair, but staff also get it in addition to inmates. MD estimates 54k in that group, so should not be that big a deal.Sure it does. Here's an example. Cali's Politically Correct order of vaccination tiers. The incarcerated and homeless are in the same Tier as those 65+ and will be vaccinated before individuals 50-64 years of age and workers in Water and Wastewater, Defense, Energy, Chemical and Hazardous Material, Communication/IT, Financial Services, Government Operations.
If you think there's no politics here then I don't know what to tell you.
And understand CLEARLY that there is more going on in the world than Covid. Walking and chewing gum. Some people can apparently you can't.
Seasonal flu is low everywhere as far as I can tell.Thanks for the reply. Yes, that sounds like the most plausible explanation. Still media and politicans already talked about it being 56 or 70% more infectious before chrismas, that always sounded a bit strange to me because of the lack of data.
Things are going better than expected in Italy with vaccinations atm, 1.4% of the total population (that's just over 850k) already vaccinated with the first dose, let's hope that they don't mess up and end up sending a different vaccine for the 2nd dose...
One thing that is interesting is that with the ongoing restrictions the seasonal flu is pretty much nonexistant in Europe.
Don’t worry about it. I can imagine we will agree on almost nothing.Chris I am working so,so hard on trying to find a point,anything we can agree on. The country,the people need help,they need vaccines,they need hope.
Does Donald care? Is our health secondary? A sideshow?
387,000 dead Americans
yeah, I think many people (probably including politicians) fail to understand the risk, or are mislead by the early statements that it's "more contagious, but no more lethal". This illustration below is very basic of course, but shows quite well that this actually means that the potential outcome in the end is far worseThis will probably not be a popular take, but we really should voluntarily restrict our travel as much as humanly possible for the next 3 months. The slow race to vaccinate alongside the emergence of the variant really changes the calculus. We can't stop it from spreading where it already is, but we should try to stop it from forming new infection foci around the country. Doubling every week will really, really hurt before long. The first case was identified in my county from a couple, one who had traveled to multiple countries overseas recently.
It says hourly team members receive four (4) hours of regular pay for accepting the vaccine. Only four hours of pay? I thought it would be something good like month or two worth of pay. Afterall, Dollar General is a billion dollar operation.According to this article Dollar General is going to pay their employees to get the Covid vaccine. I suspect more companies will take this approach.
I totally agree that the mortality issue is lulling some people to sleep. That and the hope of vaccinations making the end seem closer than it is. Any place with an R around 1 is really sensitive to a variant that bumps up that number even slightly. I don't like the trends that I am seeing in countries where the variant has firmly established itself.yeah, I think many people (probably including politicians) fail to understand the risk, or are mislead by the early statements that it's "more contagious, but no more lethal". This illustration below is very basic of course, but shows quite well that this actually means that the potential outcome in the end is far worse
View: https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1348742487846875138/
We were given advance warning and the sequence of the virus and still couldn't do much but roll over. How in the world can anybody honestly claim that we could've stopped this in its tracks. Just delusional thinking. Azar is in Fantasy land."If a novel virus like this emerged in a Democratic nation, this epidemic would have never happened," says Alex Azar.