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Not just the misuse but the litter across our parks and wildlife here in America is sad.

Where I work its mandentory we don't even accept the honor system. In my opinion folks who wear a mask after the vax is foolish. I will go ahead and apologize for that opinion so as not to hurt your feelings further.
My feelings don't get hurt by people I don't know.

If you think that its foolish to 1) want to keep my job, 2) protect my colleagues, then I can't help you.
 
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I just watched the episode where Joe talks about his situation. His cohost also had SC2, but didn't treat it, and was only sick for one more day than Joe.
Yep...Rogan says he took ivermectin at the request of several doctors. And his cohost basically blew off his doctor who strongly recommended taking the vaccine because of her major concern of the Delta variant. So, neither of these two guys are going to take the vaxx and you won't see the media or medical community go after them because Rogan won't take it & he'll hit back. He now has natural antibodies against Delta in which the medical people will leave him alone. But when the "regular folks" get Delta that self-resolve without the need of medical intervention (basically millions of Americans over the last several months), the medical community still insists on vaccination using their ad nuseam fearmongering tactics. When you're a tenth of billionaire net worth & a tough personality like him, he'll be spared the onslaught from the media & medical authoritarians.

View: https://youtu.be/3O_7O9_nV10
 
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I watched the Rogan show posted..previously I considered myself a fan. If you watch and listen you have to find everything false and misleading at a minimum. Rogan's opinions mirror many, that there is an ultra high level conspiracy between multiple actors,but government(s) and big pharma..and in some attempt at sophomoric science,Joe and his misguided guest conclude that Rogan took the dewormer.. "And look how fast I got better!!?"
Suggesting that big pharmaceuticals and government are colluding to limit approval of alternative treatments for financial gain.
ironically, other late night shows showed Alex Jones,yelling defiantly nibbling down a dewormer tablet or two as a protest of some kind..and in his mind an others,consuming the medication shows it's safety and effectiveness..of course it doesn't prove either..
And the forgotten footnotes, doctors and professionals..saying plainly..don't take this medicine for any reason..
But the paramount proof..the people w everything to gain..the drug manufacturers of the horse medicine are explicitly saying don't use it..the U.S.has a long history of off label uses for medications..and as a result Viagra,Rogaine discovered as a side effect of the original intended treatment.
So the reason I am eating mass quantities of the equine wonder drug..so that I can race in the Giro,TDF, Vuelta next year w real " horse power"..at all podiums I will eat a bucket of chicken and sausage,pepperoni,artichoke pizza to snub science..
And I find the previous post mentions of "the media "to be groundhog deja vu..I say this for sure weekly..but in my wildest dreams I could never have imagined the influence that people like Joe Rogan would have on life and death medical information,decisions...baffling.
 
Yep...Rogan says he took ivermectin at the request of several doctors. And his cohost basically blew off his doctor who strongly recommended taking the vaccine because of her major concern of the Delta variant. So, neither of these two guys are going to take the vaxx and you won't see the media or medical community go after them because Rogan won't take it & he'll hit back. He now has natural antibodies against Delta in which the medical people will leave him alone. But when the "regular folks" get Delta that self-resolve without the need of medical intervention (basically millions of Americans over the last several months), the medical community still insists on vaccination using their ad nuseam fearmongering tactics. When you're a tenth of billionaire net worth & a tough personality like him, he'll be spared the onslaught from the media & medical authoritarians.
According to the CDC, Rogan should not be vaccinated for at least 90 days because he took the monoclonals. People who didn't should still be vaccinated. The data shows that there is a significant increase in antibody titers in people who get vaccinated after viral infection. It is more important to vaccinate the immunologically naive, but there is a benefit for those who chose to get a vaccine after COVID.

If Rogan got a 'script for IVM, I have no issue with him taking it. But it is humorous that he seems to be crediting the IVM instead of the monoclonals. I find it a lot more dodgy that he was taking prednisone as part of his kitchen sink treatment. That can impair his own immune response. For people who are really sick, that makes sense because the immune reaction is contributing to the disease. That doesn't seem to be the case with Rogan. Really calls into question who those doctors were.

“CNN was saying I am a distributor of misinformation,” he said, adding, “I don’t know what’s going on, man. You know, there is a lot of speculation. One of the speculations involves the emergency use authorization for the vaccines. That, in order for there to be an emergency use authorization, there has to be no treatment for a disease.”
Rogan reasoned that because Ivermectin can treat coronavirus, the drug has received pushback from medical experts who are “pretending they don’t really work or they are conspiracy theories.”
“The grand conspiracy is that the pharmaceutical companies are in cahoots to try and make anybody who takes this stuff look crazy,” he said. “But what’s crazy is look how better I got [sic]! I got better pretty quick, ***.”
I like how he proves CNN right seconds after complaining about it.
 
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According to the CDC, Rogan should not be vaccinated for at least 90 days because he took the monoclonals. People who didn't should still be vaccinated. The data shows that there is a significant increase in antibody titers in people who get vaccinated after viral infection. It is more important to vaccinate the immunologically naive, but there is a benefit for those who chose to get a vaccine after COVID.
Would that be one dose or the standard two doses? You remember Prof Sucharit Bhakdi - he presented in a recent lecture that one dose for previous infection is efficacious & appears safe. However, a 2nd dose, he says, is dangerous & risky for ADE. Having prior Covid, this intervention of one dose is what I'm most comfortable with and I'll pursue just one dose. But everything is based on the two-dose "fully vaccinated" status regardless of previous infection status.

The vaccines were designed to enhance weaken immune systems occurring from advanced age, pre-existing serious medical conditions, obesity, etc. I already demonstrated a very healthy immune system by fighting off Covid with no apparent long-haul Covid symptoms. At 59 yrs of age at the time and needing absolutely no medical intervention, this is evidence of a strong immune system since I got hit with a pretty strong viral load. I don't want to over-enhance my immune system with 2 or even 3 doses (plus the side-effect risks goes up with multiple doses) - but the one dose I'm most comfortable for me.
 
I watched the Rogan show posted..previously I considered myself a fan. If you watch and listen you have to find everything false and misleading at a minimum. Rogan's opinions mirror many, that there is an ultra high level conspiracy between multiple actors,but government(s) and big pharma..and in some attempt at sophomoric science,Joe and his misguided guest conclude that Rogan took the dewormer.. "And look how fast I got better!!?"
Suggesting that big pharmaceuticals and government are colluding to limit approval of alternative treatments for financial gain.
ironically, other late night shows showed Alex Jones,yelling defiantly nibbling down a dewormer tablet or two as a protest of some kind..and in his mind an others,consuming the medication shows it's safety and effectiveness..of course it doesn't prove either..
And the forgotten footnotes, doctors and professionals..saying plainly..don't take this medicine for any reason..
But the paramount proof..the people w everything to gain..the drug manufacturers of the horse medicine are explicitly saying don't use it..the U.S.has a long history of off label uses for medications..and as a result Viagra,Rogaine discovered as a side effect of the original intended treatment.
So the reason I am eating mass quantities of the equine wonder drug..so that I can race in the Giro,TDF, Vuelta next year w real " horse power"..at all podiums I will eat a bucket of chicken and sausage,pepperoni,artichoke pizza to snub science..
And I find the previous post mentions of "the media "to be groundhog deja vu..I say this for sure weekly..but in my wildest dreams I could never have imagined the influence that people like Joe Rogan would have on life and death medical information,decisions...baffling.
This seems to be lockstep with the very organized Fox News campaign portraying Dr. Fauci as a liar. Kaley Mcelhaney (Fox "news" person and former Trump pressbot) goes farther:

Senator Rand Paul has diligently sought any tie to Change of Function research that Tony Fauci may have facilitated funding for...all to hang the Covid outbreak on someone. The fact that all of these folks claim that C19 was either a scam, non-existent, engineered by the Chinese as a weapon or generally something we are overreacting to make these claims all at the same time. If Fauci has lied it is a serious deal and I hope someone here has the expertise to explain the typical cooperation between international health agencies and research and; did he knowingly lie? Otherwise we're left with taking the word of Joe Rogan and Kaley. This is past just weird sh*t politicization and now a McCarthy-like inquisition.
 
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I watched the Rogan show posted..previously I considered myself a fan. If you watch and listen you have to find everything false and misleading at a minimum. Rogan's opinions mirror many, that there is an ultra high level conspiracy between multiple actors,but government(s) and big pharma..and in some attempt at sophomoric science,Joe and his misguided guest conclude that Rogan took the dewormer.. "And look how fast I got better!!?"
Suggesting that big pharmaceuticals and government are colluding to limit approval of alternative treatments for financial gain.
ironically, other late night shows showed Alex Jones,yelling defiantly nibbling down a dewormer tablet or two as a protest of some kind..and in his mind an others,consuming the medication shows it's safety and effectiveness..of course it doesn't prove either..
And the forgotten footnotes, doctors and professionals..saying plainly..don't take this medicine for any reason..
But the paramount proof..the people w everything to gain..the drug manufacturers of the horse medicine are explicitly saying don't use it..the U.S.has a long history of off label uses for medications..and as a result Viagra,Rogaine discovered as a side effect of the original intended treatment.
So the reason I am eating mass quantities of the equine wonder drug..so that I can race in the Giro,TDF, Vuelta next year w real " horse power"..at all podiums I will eat a bucket of chicken and sausage,pepperoni,artichoke pizza to snub science..
And I find the previous post mentions of "the media "to be groundhog deja vu..I say this for sure weekly..but in my wildest dreams I could never have imagined the influence that people like Joe Rogan would have on life and death medical information,decisions...baffling.
Your post makes no sense to me. Rogan says he took ivermectin not the horse paste.
He does not say what he believes and only says that this plays into the collusion "theory's" of the vax companies blocking treatments etc.
Then he mentions what is happening in Japan where it was recommended that it be prescribed for covid. Is that fake? I have never seen that reported and it appears to be fake.

If he does sue CNN (toobin zoomin network) then chances are they will settle out of court the same with many of the cases they are sued on.
 
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Your post makes no sense to me. Rogan says he took ivermectin not the horse paste.
He does not say what he believes and only says that this plays into the collusion "theory's" of the vax companies blocking treatments etc.
Then he mentions what is happening in Japan where it was recommended that it be prescribed for covid. Is that fake? I have never seen that reported and it appears to be fake.

If he does sue CNN (toobin zoomin network) then chances are they will settle out of court the same with many of the cases they are sued on.
You are partly correct and because I was trying to make a snarky point,which I obviously failed to do..sorry my bad. Specifically Rogan says he ate the human intended version of a headlice, scabies medication for Covid 19..against the manufacturers stern warning...I think it's also fair for me to mention that one lug nut will hold the wheel on your car,those engineering clowns at Ford,GM and Volvo go over the top and put 5 lug nuts when one works fine. Easy examples of overkill depending on your perspective. Much more important than what Rogan took ...is where and how he discussed the medical treatment.
What is the price of tea in China,or what Japan is doing,and why could not be included in a rational podcast conversation about Covid effects and overcoming the scourge if only temporary.
Nobody can possibly believe that many will not heed Rogan's endorsement for the treatment..despite hundreds of hospitals,health officials,the drugs manufacture saying don't do it,and why,giving real world,real time examples..
There are zero good reasons to pad your dashboard w patio pavers, remove the airbags from your car, or question if child car seats are effective..those ships have sailed..We are rounding that way too familiar law dart curve,were someone says we had them,nobody died..it's all part of the mommy state..if one person gives these meds to their kids, family because Rogan has portrayed it as the manly thing to do it is wrong..What all these Max Headroom spouters should say..the place you start with any of this is w w discussion with your doctor..don't get advice from a UFC commentator..
As a child there were people selling DMSO on the corner of Scottsdale Road & Shea Blvd..it went on for a while until people died and then it stopped almost overnight..I am sure that there are people still chugging DMSO saying that the deaths and health problems were from " misuse".
This Rogan approach is way dangerous
talk to your doctor not game show hosts..I am seeing a trend in this following of lunatic reality show hosts..
 
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You are partly correct and because I was trying to make a snarky point,which I obviously failed to do..sorry my bad. Specifically Rogan says he ate the human intended version of a headlice, scabies medication for Covid 19..against the manufacturers stern warning...I think it's also fair for me to mention that one lug nut will hold the wheel on your car,those engineering clowns at Ford,GM and Volvo go over the top and put 5 lug nuts when one works fine. Easy examples of overkill depending on your perspective. Much more important than what Rogan took ...is where and how he discussed the medical treatment.
What is the price of tea in China,or what Japan is doing,and why could not be included in a rational podcast conversation about Covid effects and overcoming the scourge if only temporary.
Nobody can possibly believe that many will not heed Rogan's endorsement for the treatment..despite hundreds of hospitals,health officials,the drugs manufacture saying don't do it,and why,giving real world,real time examples..
There are zero good reasons to pad your dashboard w patio pavers, remove the airbags from your car, or question if child car seats are effective..those ships have sailed..We are rounding that way too familiar law dart curve,were someone says we had them,nobody died..it's all part of the mommy state..if one person gives these meds to their kids, family because Rogan has portrayed it as the manly thing to do it is wrong..What all these Max Headroom spouters should say..the place you start with any of this is w w discussion with your doctor..don't get advice from a UFC commentator..
As a child there were people selling DMSO on the corner of Scottsdale Road & Shea Blvd..it went on for a while until people died and then it stopped almost overnight..I am sure that there are people still chugging DMSO saying that the deaths and health problems were from " misuse".
This Rogan approach is way dangerous
talk to your doctor not game show hosts..I am seeing a trend in this following of lunatic reality show hosts..
That is not what Rogan said at all. I he just says he had a doctor that he got ivermectin from. He does not mention eating anything.
The rest of your post is some analogies that don't work and hyperbolic statements.
 
That is not what Rogan said at all. I he just says he had a doctor that he got ivermectin from. He does not mention eating anything.
The rest of your post is some analogies that don't work and hyperbolic statements.


what you you probably find out after a 3 day recovery from Covid..this story smells of Jesse Smollet..and you are doing some word play..Rogan ate the headlice medication.he nibbled,gulped, swallowed it..or so he says.
but to step back..my position will always be, ask your doctor first and foremost.
using even the simplest block diagram:
There are two basic Covid paths..I don't have it..and then that Y in the road..to vaccinate or not.
then the Rogan path..I have Covid.. " Doctor I have Covid, look at me, what should I do? "..Doctor responds your best course of action,seeing as how you are a multi millionaire,have a family,are in good health, and have scheduled public appearance tour..you should take a medication for scabies,headlice and horse worms, that looks like our best option..don't worry about the hospital reports and what the drugs manufacturer says,see you have a nice day.."
I have a bridge for sale
if anyone is wondering how the United States has @600,000+ dead, full free access to the vaccine and the virus persists..look no further than the vet clinic up the block..or the tanning salon..disinfectant isle in local market..malaria meds..
The best path,clear path to prevention and recovery from Covid is through a licensed physician..full stop..any other meandering medical mash up..mix w Japanese tidbits,ultra bright lights, horse medication is dumb ,to suggest it to others is wreckless .
I accept that there are probably low numbers here,bored at work,in our bathrobe, toggling between Cavendish 's contract,Sagan's return..and pandemic posts..but any neutrality about lice medication for Covid is too much..I also accept that in the internet world discussions about chicken recipes, cyclocross,gravel tire preferences..are causally blended..no one being more serious than another..but causally references to scabies medication as a prevention or cure for Covid is worthy of a more careful pause..as Americans we owe it to one another not to perpetuate big dangerous lies..too many dead,too much damage to our citizens,country and reputation..
My gloves are down,start swinging,I can take it..won't hit back about anything else Rogan related. But consider that my opinion is singular..and it's straight forward..saying in a world wide podcast that headlice medication is advisable for Covid is irresponsible
 
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There is a lot of talk about freedom/liberty when it comes to masks and vaccine, with little to no regard for what those free choices mean for others. Increased risk of spread is hard to identify and measure even though everyone knows that its there (delta also changed that). Hospitals systems being overwhelmed is a lot easier to identify and measure. Now another easy to identify and measure result is people who need surgery, but can't get it because of the situation in hospitals. A lady here at work who has stage 2B breast cancer was scheduled to have surgery today, but has been postponed now. People who 'freely chose' not to get vaccinated have put this lady's life at more risk. My understanding is that they put 9 'critical, but not imminent' surgeries (cancer, and cardiac) on hold at just this one hospital today (imminent refers to death?).
 
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what you you probably find out after a 3 day recovery from Covid..this story smells of Jesse Smollet..and you are doing some word play..Rogan ate the headlice medication.he nibbled,gulped, swallowed it..or so he says.
but to step back..my position will always be, ask your doctor first and foremost.
using even the simplest block diagram:
There are two basic Covid paths..I don't have it..and then that Y in the road..to vaccinate or not.
then the Rogan path..I have Covid.. " Doctor I have Covid, look at me, what should I do? "..Doctor responds your best course of action,seeing as how you are a multi millionaire,have a family,are in good health, and have scheduled public appearance tour..you should take a medication for scabies,headlice and horse worms, that looks like our best option..don't worry about the hospital reports and what the drugs manufacturer says,see you have a nice day.."
I have a bridge for sale
if anyone is wondering how the United States has @600,000+ dead, full free access to the vaccine and the virus persists..look no further than the vet clinic up the block..or the tanning salon..disinfectant isle in local market..malaria meds..
The best path,clear path to prevention and recovery from Covid is through a licensed physician..full stop..any other meandering medical mash up..mix w Japanese tidbits,ultra bright lights, horse medication is dumb ,to suggest it to others is wreckless .
I accept that there are probably low numbers here,bored at work,in our bathrobe, toggling between Cavendish 's contract,Sagan's return..and pandemic posts..but any neutrality about lice medication for Covid is too much..I also accept that in the internet world discussions about chicken recipes, cyclocross,gravel tire preferences..are causally blended..no one being more serious than another..but causally references to scabies medication as a prevention or cure for Covid is worthy of a more careful pause..as Americans we owe it to one another not to perpetuate big dangerous lies..too many dead,too much damage to our citizens,country and reputation..
My gloves are down,start swinging,I can take it..won't hit back about anything else Rogan related. But consider that my opinion is singular..and it's straight forward..saying in a world wide podcast that headlice medication is advisable for Covid is irresponsible
He never says how he took it but I believe it was in pill form. Do you know what you are talking about? Here is what the crap is used for.

"Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug that is used to treat river blindness and intestinal roundworm infection in humans and to de-worm pets and livestock. Lotions and creams containing ivermectin are also used to treat head lice and rosacea. "

"Onchocerciasis, or river blindness, is a neglected tropical disease (NTD) caused by the parasitic worm Onchocerca volvulus. It is transmitted through repeated bites by blackflies of the genus Simulium. "
 
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There is a lot of talk about freedom/liberty when it comes to masks and vaccine, with little to no regard for what those free choices mean for others. Increased risk of spread is hard to identify and measure even though everyone knows that its there (delta also changed that). Hospitals systems being overwhelmed is a lot easier to identify and measure. Now another easy to identify and measure result is people who need surgery, but can't get it because of the situation in hospitals. A lady here at work who has stage 2B breast cancer was scheduled to have surgery today, but has been postponed now. People who 'freely chose' not to get vaccinated have put this lady's life at more risk. My understanding is that they put 9 'critical, but not imminent' surgeries (cancer, and cardiac) on hold at just this one hospital today (imminent refers to death?).
I got the vax so I don't have to wear a mask that does nothing. Masks are not required where I work or anywhere I go in the state I am in. In fact I enjoy the freedom of no mask. Before all of this I saw people wearing masks below the nose, and mesh like material. It was all a joke. Just like the 2 weeks to slow the spread turned into a year.
 
Just got an email that my work is transitioning to a KN95 requirement. They are supposedly going to provide one to each employee, so the implementation will probably wait until they are able to distribute them. That requirement is for everybody regardless of vaccine status. However, if you are lecturing and at least 6 feet away from people, you don't have to use any mask at all. That makes little sense to me, but I think there would've been a revolt if faculty were required to teach in person with masks on.
 
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For those who have read what is going on with my husband. He has a rare auto immune disease. He was starting to get better and then something has happened with his gut. Major bad acid that is causing sores in his mouth. Hoping he tells the doctor tomorrow at his next appoint. My guess is this isn't related to the auto immune disease. He would have been going back to work part time this month if this new set back didn't happen.
 
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USA Those numbers are coming down - thats good news.
Those numbers did not reach the levels from this past winter.
Who gets to decide when masks are no longer needed? Hint - the people will decide and the scared will continue to wear.
Better hope the people don't revolt. Just take a look at what happened over the past weekend with the games. Seems people are already revolting. Media Scare Porn will continue.
Today was a turning point and it will get ugly from here on in the United States.

How about that Oklahoma Ivermectin OD story! That was terrible right?
 
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This seems to be lockstep with the very organized Fox News campaign portraying Dr. Fauci as a liar. Kaley Mcelhaney (Fox "news" person and former Trump pressbot) goes farther:

Senator Rand Paul has diligently sought any tie to Change of Function research that Tony Fauci may have facilitated funding for...all to hang the Covid outbreak on someone. The fact that all of these folks claim that C19 was either a scam, non-existent, engineered by the Chinese as a weapon or generally something we are overreacting to make these claims all at the same time. If Fauci has lied it is a serious deal and I hope someone here has the expertise to explain the typical cooperation between international health agencies and research and; did he knowingly lie? Otherwise we're left with taking the word of Joe Rogan and Kaley. This is past just weird sh*t politicization and now a McCarthy-like inquisition.
Fox News got you upset?
Not to worry just watch cnn where they had an employee masturbate on a zoom call in front of other peers. He is back on the air just for your viewing pleasure.
 
Fox News got you upset?
Not to worry just watch cnn where they had an employee masturbate on a zoom call in front of other peers. He is back on the air just for your viewing pleasure.
This is a really characteristic response, isn't it? You disagree then characterize the players and add to the polarization. BS.
I watch Fox, OAN, CNN, ABC, CBS and read alot because each outlet has a franchise they cater to and some have a serious agenda. Yes, Rupert Murdoch has made a career trying his Kingmaker role out on several continents and "fair and balanced" has never been a part of that goal. Fox does have good serious reporters, too. Not just Opinion piece flacks that other networks are also guilty of nurturing. The fact that Fox has a speculative piece by a very known political operative that indicts someone in Fauci's position with no facts is beyond irresponsible and in this political climate can get people killed.
That I asked the question: I hope someone here has the expertise to explain the typical cooperation between international health agencies and research and; did he knowingly lie? is a legitimate question begging some honest illumination.
 
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In Flanders, over 80% of the 12-17 year-olds are now fully vaccinated (with Pfizer-BioNTech), and the number of cases in that age group has also gone down. The group with relatively the most positive cases is now the 0-9 year-old age bracket, apparently.

Denmark has abolished all measures now. Flanders has a comparable vaccination level, but isn't quite letting go of everything yet. Nevertheless, life is pretty normal now. I'm curious what'll happen in autumn.
 
You are not fear mongering but the person who posted the "news" article that turns out to be fake is.
You are making fun of the people who are buying the animal paste version and thats fine because I think anyone who wears a mask after vax is taking too many mushrooms and misinformed. Add those folks to the ones who spray food down with disenfectants / clorox etc. and we have a good group of crazies walking around earth.


I'm not taking ivermectin nor know anyone who has. But I am asking why did they take the drug in india? They are not making money off something that takes 5cents to make.
Wait...you question whether I might have a problem with Foxnooos and their people for speculating about Fauci lying and the US funding a weaponized C19 with no proof; when I asked for an informed opinion on the story. Then you an suggest a vague article from India is fear mongering (how many folks in Arkansas are getting their news from India?). What kind heroic non-masker, that fears no virus is so afraid of studying information and drawing conclusions that are honest? I'm smelling alot of vinegar along with the animal by-products.
 

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