Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[Ultrairon]

I never thought I'd ever see this- more reason the pandemic is over:

Sources: NYC mandate to be rolled back Thu.

New York City's vaccine mandate for athletes will be lifted Thursday, sources said, paving the way for Nets star Kyrie Irving to be back on the Barclays Center court Sunday and for unvaccinated MLB players to play in their home openers.

www.google.com

There's no way NYC would lift the mandate & allow "unvaccinated" players into their venues if the pandemic wasn't over.

It's a shocker no doubt about it. Usually when you give up something the powers that be, never give up that power.

 

[Ultrairon]

Total deaths at the CDC 978,254 - Lets not get into hypothetical numbers until they are actually posted and verified by the USA's CDC. Guessing about numbers is what caused the panic in the first place.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

CDT Redirect Page

Weekly Hospitalization Trends - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

This chart displays the 7-day trend in overall and Covid-19-specific hospitalization occupancy data to help understand changes in capacity and level of stress on hospitals.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[Ultrairon]

Here's your "monster"- you can watch the video and hear it from the horse's mouth:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1494790335658172426

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/barereality/status/1494790335658172426?lang=en


The pandemic is over - the Omicron variant changed the dynamics of the virus. I'd think you would be quite happy that the worst is behind us & the future looks bright.

That quote is terrible. Maybe he wanted it to continue at a worse pace.
Still twitter is such a bad place for quotes its hard to believe anything from that garbage pit.

 

[Ultrairon]

So are you blaming Fauci for the pandemic? Not sure why this horse requires more flogging.....

Where did I say I was blaming him? I never said that. I did say Dr. Television was shutting down anyone who disagreed with him. I also think he loves to see himself on TV. Like that time him and that politician talked about who was going to play them in a movie. funny stuff.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Time to find out when the pandemic really started and what the origins are.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499060168327237633

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status/1499060168327237633

 

[Cookster15]

If that isn't someone changing history, I don't know what is.

So you refuse to correctly interpret a simple graph? It’s not about “accepting facts” it’s about the ability to interpret basic data and not allow your personal bias to cloud your judgement. History proves you wrong and you don’t need to be an MD or epidemiologist to interpret the obvious that omicron isn’t the monster that delta was. My local hospitalisations data which I will not post yet again because you have always ignored it clearly shows omicron isn’t the monster that delta was.

For Australia Worldometer has a chart showing % of deaths (outcome of cases). You should study it- no omicron monster there? In July 2021 with delta about 3% of all cases in Australia died (cumulative since Feb 15, 2020). The current rate with omicron cases dominating the data is just 0.16%. What monster?

For the US the 7 day moving average of daily Covid deaths is still falling sharply. That rate is now 553/day compared to 2,707 on Feb 2. That number is also lower than at any time since Aug 7 when delta was still ramping up.

It is also very disappointing that you claim I lied. Another example of emotion clouding judgement? I don’t lie. To lie is to deliberately deceive knowing an alternative truth. Please do not misrepresent me or wrongly assume my intentions this is the second time you have been guilty of this. Assume positive intent.

 

[Cookster15]

The reason why omicron isn't the monster that delta was is two fold: Vaccination and natural immunity. But there was no vaccination when Spanish flu (H1N1) faded out all by itself. H1N1 lasted February 1918 – April 1920 ). In Australia after a very slow start thanks to our isolation and quickly closing our international borders we have now recorded over 4.6million cases in a population of about 26 million. Natural immunity will be taking hold.

Australia COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

 

[jmdirt]

So you refuse to correctly interpret a simple graph? It’s not about “accepting facts” it’s about the ability to interpret basic data and not allow your personal bias to cloud your judgement. History proves you wrong and you don’t need to be an MD or epidemiologist to interpret the obvious that omicron isn’t the monster that delta was. My local hospitalisations data which I will not post yet again because you have always ignored it clearly shows omicron isn’t the monster that delta was.

For Australia Worldometer has a chart showing % of deaths (outcome of cases). You should study it- no omicron monster there? In July 2021 with delta about 3% of all cases in Australia died (cumulative since Feb 15, 2020). The current rate with omicron cases dominating the data is just 0.16%. What monster?

For the US the 7 day moving average of daily Covid deaths is still falling sharply. That rate is now 553/day compared to 2,707 on Feb 2. That number is also lower than at any time since Aug 7 when delta was still ramping up.

It is also very disappointing that you claim I lied. Another example of emotion clouding judgement? I don’t lie. To lie is to deliberately deceive knowing an alternative truth. Please do not misrepresent me or wrongly assume my intentions this is the second time you have been guilty of this. Assume positive intent.

So you won't own your false statement? Your false statement became a lie when you were presented with the data and still stuck to it. Your intention is clear at that point, you were going to push your narrative even though you have the data to prove it wrong.

Disappointing indeed.

Stop shifting and twisting, your statement has nothing to do with the current 7 day average.

There is noting to interpret, no bias, no emotion, just read the numbers:
USA: About 375,000 Omicron deaths over about 7 (edit: 4) months. About 380,000 Delta deaths over about 10 months. About 240,00 deaths from previous variants over the first 8 months.

375,000 deaths in half a year is a monster. More than all of the early variants, and by the time it gets equal on time, likely more than Delta. So your statement is FALSE. Period.

EDIT: Australia: 2,353 at the end of 2021. 6,341 at the end of March 2022. By far your most deadly time of the pandemic was Omicron. 4,000 deaths in four months when you had had 2,300 in the previous 20+ months. No, Omicron is not bad at all...

 

[Cookster15]

So you won't own your false statement? Your false statement became a lie when you were presented with the data and still stuck to it. Your intention is clear at that point, you were going to push your narrative even though you have the data to prove it wrong.

Disappointing indeed.

Stop shifting and twisting, your statement has nothing to do with the current 7 day average.

There is noting to interpret, no bias, no emotion, just read the numbers:
USA: About 375,000 Omicron deaths over about 7 months. About 380,000 Delta deaths over about 10 months. About 240,00 deaths from previous variants over the first 8 months.

375,000 deaths in half a year is a monster. More than all of the early variants, and by the time it gets equal on time, likely more than Delta. So your statement is FALSE. Period.

USA has recorded over 1 million deaths and delta was still circulating in America whilst omicron was ramping up. So delta not omicron is a large portion of your 375,000 "omicron" deaths. DJP posted this here a while back, you can't have it both ways.

You are also cherry picking timescales rather than looking at trends. I didn't want to do this but here is my local data yet again you which continually ignore. Look when hospitalizations, ICUs and ventilated patients peaked. That was delta. Since omicron arrived cases have gone through the roof and these are only recorded cases. Pretty sure America has similar stats. Of course there are local factors and vaccination plays a big role but end of the day I see cause for optimism and you want to dwell on doom and gloom and pretend that by doing so you are being empathetic and sympathetic. Your choice. I suggest you are pushing your own narrative which isn't empathy or sympathy.

Daily Cases Admitted to Hospital - COVID Live

Disappointing from you.

 

[jmdirt]

USA has recorded over 1 million deaths and delta was still circulating in America whilst omicron was ramping up. So delta not omicron is a large portion of your 375,000 "omicron" deaths. DJP posted this here a while back, you can't have it both ways.

You are also cherry picking timescales rather than looking at trends. I didn't want to do this but here is my local data yet again you which continually ignore. Look when hospitalizations, ICUs and ventilated patients peaked. That was delta. Since omicron arrived cases have gone through the roof and these are only recorded cases. Pretty sure America has similar stats. Of course there are local factors and vaccination plays a big role but end of the day I see cause for optimism and you want to dwell on doom and gloom and pretend that by doing so you are being empathetic and sympathetic. Your choice. I suggest you are pushing your own narrative which isn't empathy or sympathy.

Daily Cases Admitted to Hospital - COVID Live

Disappointing from you.

STOP! YOUR STATEMENT IS NOT ABOUT TRENDS!

The trends are great in many places, but that has nothing to do with your statement.

Australia: 2,353 at the end of 2021. 6,341 at the end of March 2022. By far your most deadly time of the pandemic was Omicron. 4,000 deaths in four months when you had had 2,300 in the previous 20+ months. Pretty hard to argue with this.

EDIT: you were the one who wanted to stop talking about cases, yet you persist in talking about cases.

Did you even look at the deaths chart just below that?!

Stop posting false statements and I can stop looking at past data that proves your statements wrong.

Empathy and sympathy have nothing to do with time.

 

[Ultrairon]

Yet life is getting back to normal. Delta was the worse of all the variants that was obvious with the hospitalization data.
Omicron was overblown media hype.
This John Hopkins hospitalization weekly trend clearly shows. The duration of delta lasted much longer. Omicron spiked and dropped off the drastically.
CDC data also shows the same. Sudden spike up and sudden drop.

 

[jmdirt]

It seems obvious to me now that omicron isn't the monster that earlier strains were.

Just answer one question:
If Omicron isn't the monster that earlier strains were, how can Australia have have more deaths in January, February, and March 2022 than in the entire rest of the pandemic combined?

Just answer that one question. Don't talk about trends, or how jmdirt is dwelling on death. Just answer that one question.

I'll add that those three months had the advantage of vaccine, DAI, and summer, yet still 4,000 deaths in three months vs. 2,300 in the previous 24 months (granted restrictions and masks helped for part of that time).

 

[jmdirt]

USA has recorded over 1 million deaths and delta was still circulating in America whilst omicron was ramping up. So delta not omicron is a large portion of your 375,000 "omicron" deaths. DJP posted this here a while back, you can't have it both ways.

You are also cherry picking timescales rather than looking at trends. I didn't want to do this but here is my local data yet again you which continually ignore. Look when hospitalizations, ICUs and ventilated patients peaked. That was delta. Since omicron arrived cases have gone through the roof and these are only recorded cases. Pretty sure America has similar stats. Of course there are local factors and vaccination plays a big role but end of the day I see cause for optimism and you want to dwell on doom and gloom and pretend that by doing so you are being empathetic and sympathetic. Your choice. I suggest you are pushing your own narrative which isn't empathy or sympathy.

Daily Cases Admitted to Hospital - COVID Live

Disappointing from you.

The estimate(s) for Omicron is 325,000-380,000 (and counting). For Delta 345,000-400,000.

So let's low-ball it to make you happy: 300,000 Omicron deaths...no monster there right?!

Before you add those number and start having a meltdown, if you use the high estimate, they add up to more than the confirmed total. But also, if you ad the lows they come up short of the confirmed total. Many reasons for this that start to pull us away from the discussion at hand.

 

[movingtarget]

Just answer on question:
If Omicron isn't the monster that earlier strains were, how can Australia have have more deaths in January, February, and March 2022 than in the entire rest of the pandemic combined?

Just answer that one question. Don't talk about trends, or how jmdirt is dwelling on death. Just answer that one question.

I'll add that those three months had the advantage of vaccine, DAI, and summer, yet still 4,000 deaths in three months vs. 2,300 in the previous 24 months (granted restrictions and masks helped for part of that time).

I guess when border restrictions are lifted, travel resumes, school and offices resume business, crowd restrictions are lifted and a certain percentage of people have tossed their masks forever while not being vaccinated all at around the same time.........well the formula is there for all of these things to have an effect but plenty of triple vaccinated people have been catching Omicron anyway. The spike in deaths............. I'm not sure about the reasons for that. WA and SA opened their borders after the other states, maybe that had something to do with it and were slower to be exposed to Delta and Omicron. Noticed recently that the Aust government also added another 400 or so deaths to the official death toll and they also believe the infection rate is higher than the records indicate. Like many other countries they dropped some of their statistical monitoring on reopening to the frustration of researchers. Maybe a lot of those deaths were in aged care also whereby any Covid infection is dangerous. Nursing homes also reopened to visitors but I think some restrictions on numbers are still in place but of course that doesn't stop infections from staff and fellow residents.

 

[dusty red roads]

A +65 immunecompromised family member in Oz was given Pfizer’s Paxlovid (nirmatrelvir tablets and ritonavir tablets, co-packaged for oral use), and said it worked really well. BTW this was approved by the FDA last December.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...rizes-first-oral-antiviral-treatment-covid-19

 

[jmdirt]

Its way too early to get too excited, but this (or something similar) would be a great development IMO.

Promising nose spray could prevent and treat COVID-19 | Cornell Chronicle

A newly discovered small molecule could be sprayed into people’s noses to prevent COVID-19 illness prior to exposure and provide early treatment if administered soon after infection, according to a study in mice led by Cornell researchers.

news.cornell.edu

EDIT: Would people who choose not to get the vaccine use a nasal spray or would that be a no go too?

 

[Koronin]

Its way too early to get too excited, but this (or something similar) would be a great development IMO.

Promising nose spray could prevent and treat COVID-19 | Cornell Chronicle

A newly discovered small molecule could be sprayed into people’s noses to prevent COVID-19 illness prior to exposure and provide early treatment if administered soon after infection, according to a study in mice led by Cornell researchers.

news.cornell.edu

EDIT: Would people who choose not to get the vaccine use a nasal spray or would that be a no go too?

Hope it works and it becomes an option. Although not everyone will be able to use it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who flat out cannot use nasal sprays for any reason at all.

 

[jmdirt]

Hope it works and it becomes an option. Although not everyone will be able to use it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who flat out cannot use nasal sprays for any reason at all.

Hopefully as more and more pharma becomes available they will have several options for everyone. Can you uses a nasal gel?

 

[Ultrairon]

Omicron was not the monster everyone including here made it out to be. It spiked up suddenly and came back down just as fast. Delta had more prolonged effect and was a more severe variant.
No personal attacks please.

 

[djpbaltimore]

We are not even done with Omicron, so I don't see why we are writing its epitaph now. Numbers going up in heavily vaxxed locations where the new subvariant has become dominant. It will be coming to the sunbelt with lower vaccination in the coming months. It is not as severe as delta, but it has been almost as bad because it has infected so many more people. Ultrairon is entirely mistaken. Me and others like jmdirt that have posted about omicron have been vindicated.

 

[Koronin]

Hopefully as more and more pharma becomes available they will have several options for everyone. Can you uses a nasal gel?

Never tried gels.

Yes, my hope is that more options will be available. I do hope eventually there will be pill or at least liquid options. (gummy options?)

 

[jmdirt]

We are not even done with Omicron, so I don't see why we are writing its epitaph now. Numbers going up in heavily vaxxed locations where the new subvariant has become dominant. It will be coming to the sunbelt with lower vaccination in the coming months. It is not as severe as delta, but it has been almost as bad because it has infected so many more people. Ultrairon is entirely mistaken. Me and others like jmdirt that have posted about omicron have been vindicated.

Thanks for thinking of me dj, but there is no vindication in it for me. I haven't done any of the research, lab work, or data collection, that has been done by experts. I just post it and/or talk about it.

My anecdotal blurbs are just that, personal accounts of what's happening in my word. They mostly mean noting in the big scheme of things.

My opinions are sincere, honest, and direct. You don't have to wonder what I mean.

I am firmly based in reality.

I want this to be over yesterday, last year...

 

[dusty red roads]

There are a few different promising nasal sprays in development at the moment. Good to see another one, and yes let's hope gels will also be an option for those who can't do sprays.

 

[dusty red roads]

Hope it works and it becomes an option. Although not everyone will be able to use it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who flat out cannot use nasal sprays for any reason at all.

IN the video from that link the guy says you can spray, "or put" it in the nose, so it sounds like you can use it even if you don't spray it.

 

[movingtarget]

German man suspected of having 90 Covid jabs to sell vaccination cards

Police in Saxony investigate 60-year-old for issuing documents without authorisation and forgery

www.theguardian.com

Vaccine cocktail................