Cortisone use and Dr. Ferrari

[md2020]

Read this article...

http://www.bicycling.com/article/0,6610,s1-3-12-13773-1-P,00.html

It's funny that you're pointing to that article in defense of Ferrari using the Conconi test when it clearly suggests that the Conconi test isn't the reason for his clients' successes. Also, it's a pretty good condemnation of him as a liar and "a person who operates without any moral restrictions whatsoever."

 

[Sheltowee]

Oh, okay.



Cortisoid steroids have never been used by cyclists - there is no benefit for them - which is why nobody but internet loons still cite this incident. It wasn't even declared a positive test because the levels were so low - entirely consistent with a cream. I'm sure French people are intelligent enough to know that.

Cortisol is a steroid. And at one time it was one of the favorites for cyclists--especially during cold weather when it is more effective than in the summer. But regardless of the season, Cortisol enables cyclists to absorb pain. That's why Cortisol is a PED. Jeez...Nuts.

 

[Digger]

How to use your topical corticosteroid cream or ointment
Written by Helen Marshall, pharmacist


http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/facts/corticosteroidcream.htm

Are you mental?
Have you ever read a cycling book about doping?

Bernard Thevenet, two time winner of Tour, nearly died from overuse of Coticoids.
Willy Voet spoke about how when some riders came into the Festina team, they had to be weaned off the corticoids, such was the extent of the use of them on other teams.

 

[TheArbiter]

It's funny that you're pointing to that article in defense of Ferrari using the Conconi test when it clearly suggests that the Conconi test isn't the reason for his clients' successes.

No it does not. His tests have revolutionised endurance sports.

Also, it's a pretty good condemnation of him as a liar and "a person who operates without any moral restrictions whatsoever."

Yes there are rumours. He also said he is a great sports scientist.

 

[TheArbiter]

Cortisol is a steroid. And at one time it was one of the favorites for cyclists--especially during cold weather when it is more effective than in the summer. But regardless of the season, Cortisol enables cyclists to absorb pain. That's why Cortisol is a PED. Jeez...Nuts.

Yeah I screwed up slightly, in that I read that it has never been used in some forms. Not that it is not used. However i now know it's critical in all sports for reparing injuries and curing rashes. In most sports its actually legal from what I can see.

I am going to get some for my saddle sores.

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah I screwed up slightly, in that I read that it has never been used in some forms. Not that it is not used. However i now know it's critical in all sports for reparing injuries and curing rashes. In most sports its actually legal from what I can see.

I am going to get some for my saddle sores.

And by "saddle sores" you me the places you rub raw while thinking about Mr Armstrong.

 

[joe_papp]

And by "saddle sores" you me the places you rub raw while thinking about Mr Armstrong.

TheArbiter is trolling, right?

 

[Anonymous]

TheArbiter is trolling, right?

No, no, I believe people can be THAT stupid...

 

[Izoard]

TheArbiter is trolling, right?

Ummm, yes. Big time.

 

[Kennf1]

Funny how Pelizzoti claims that the mere statement he is working with Ferrari is defamatory.

 

[BroDeal]

TheArbiter is trolling, right?

He is trolling over at cyclingforums using the name "TheDangerMan." It looks like he is cutting and pasting some of his posts or parts of posts between the two sites. The posts are filled with this "legendary sports scientist" garbage.

 

[TheArbiter]

Funny how Pelizzoti claims that the mere statement he is working with Ferrari is defamatory.

Because they know he has been made into a big scary bogeyman by years of hatchet jobs in the anti Armstrong press.

 

[Franklin]

Because they know he has been made into a big scary bogeyman by years of hatchet jobs in the anti Armstrong press.

His conviction for being a dope doctor doesn't matter at all of course

The truth is the HATERS all influenced the arbitration! That's it! The haters agenda is just so nefarious. Sure, they have little financial backing compared to Lance, but they are so evil that they make up these awful things that they can influence doping labs around the world.

 

[TheArbiter]

His conviction for being a dope doctor doesn't matter at all of course

The truth is the HATERS all influenced the arbitration! That's it! The haters agenda is just so nefarious. Sure, they have little financial backing compared to Lance, but they are so evil that they make up these awful things that they can influence doping labs around the world.

From the interview posted:

...over more than five years and two separate inquiries, one big thing was missing: a positive drug test by one of Ferrari's athletes.

Nor could authorities find a single piece of paper, in Ferrari's handwriting, explicitly directing an athlete to take any banned substance. The prosecution did produce a single prescription for Animine, no longer banned, and 500 capsules of DHEA, a steroid found in almost any vitamin shop in the U.S., but available only by prescription in Europe. It was medicine for his _elderly father, Ferrari said, and he was acquitted on a charge of distributing doping products.

For a man who'd supposedly been the godfather of cycling's doping culture, Ferrari left a meager paper trail. The police files on Ferrari's riders included blood-test results but even those were anything but incriminating; with one or two exceptions, Ferrari's riders stayed well below the UCI's 50-percent hematocrit limit.

"There was no smoking gun," says prosecutor Lorenzo Gestri.

 

[Anonymous]

From the interview posted:

You are right, he is GREAT at beating the tests. Man, I can see why a slimeball like that makes millions. Hell, a man that dopes his own daughter is just the kind of guy Armstrong needs. If you have no conscience, you'd better surround yourself with people who also don't have one.

 

[TheArbiter]

You are right, he is GREAT at beating the tests. Man, I can see why a slimeball like that makes millions. Hell, a man that dopes his own daughter is just the kind of guy Armstrong needs. If you have no conscience, you'd better surround yourself with people who also don't have one.

He did not dope his own daughter, you moron.

 

[Anonymous]

He did not dope his own daughter, you moron.

Sure he did, and he would dope your daughter too inappropriate comma user. I mean, it would cost you big time whereas he did his own daughter for free.

 

[psychlist]

Sure he did, and he would dope your daughter too inappropriate comma user. I mean, it would cost you big time whereas he did his own daughter for free.

TFF - I don't disagree with the position you have taken with regard to Arbiter and his trolling, I just have to say that the bolded statement above strikes me as if it could have been uttered by one of the french knights in the holy grail.

As in, "I blow my nose at you, inappropriate comma user pig dog!"

 

[Digger]

From the interview posted:

Alexander Vinokourov tested positive for blood doping six months after beginning work with the said Doctor, for blood doping. Something which is the good doctor's actual qualification.

 

[Franklin]

From the interview posted:

Great job... how about quoting a completely outdated article! now that makes your argument much better. I can imagine the red going to your head if you do some easy research and see that you are completely out of your depth.

A wise tip is to do at least some digging before you state these things.. people here aren't nearly as stupid as you think they are.

Athletes connected to Ferrari who are connected to dope:

Alexandre Vinokourov
Filippo Simeoni
Patrik Sinkewitz
Filippo Simeoni
Bjarne Riis
Claudio Chiapucci
Eddy Mazzoleni
Laurent Dufaux

Aso, a famous quote of the Dottore: "If it doesn't show up in the drug controls, then it's not doping,"

Really Arbiter, if you want this Inet persona of yours have some value on this forum, do some research. If not well and you keep trying to keep a discussion with us, sorry you will be rightly be classified as a completely clueless fanboy or a troll.

Your choice.

 

[TheArbiter]

Great job... how about quoting a completely outdated article! now that makes your argument much better. I can imagine the red going to your head if you do some easy research and see that you are completely out of your depth.

A wise tip is to do at least some digging before you state these things.. people here aren't nearly as stupid as you think they are.

Athletes connected to Ferrari who are connected to dope:

Alexandre Vinokourov
Filippo Simeoni
Patrik Sinkewitz
Filippo Simeoni
Bjarne Riis
Claudio Chiapucci
Eddy Mazzoleni
Laurent Dufaux

Aso, a famous quote of the Dottore: "If it doesn't show up in the drug controls, then it's not doping,"

Really Arbiter, if you want this Inet persona of yours have some value on this forum, do some research. If not well and you keep trying to keep a discussion with us, sorry you will be rightly be classified as a completely clueless fanboy or a troll.

Your choice.

I didn't claim that nobody had ever tested positive that has used his services. But it's true that few athletes tested positive before he was taken to court. There is no evicence these people have tested positive because of anything to do with him. All the people he worked with were already on dope before they met him.

 

[Izoard]

Great job...

This is a bit of a long excerpt from Indiana University about trolling. Sorry if something similar has been posted up somewhere else, but it seemed appropriate here:

In email discussion lists, online forums, and Usenet newsgroups, a troll is not a grumpy monster that lives beneath a bridge accosting passers-by, but rather a provocative posting intended to produce a large volume of frivolous responses ... The content of a troll posting generally falls into one of several categories. It may consist of an apparently foolish contradiction of common knowledge, a deliberately offensive insult to the readers of a newsgroup or mailing list, or a broad request for trivial follow-up postings ...
People post such messages to get attention, to disrupt discussion, and to make trouble. The best response to a troll is no response. If you post a follow-up message, you are contributing to the resulting clamor and most likely delighting the troller. Before posting a response, consider the following questions:

•Have responses already been posted by others?


•Will my post add any information that others are not likely to be aware of already?


•Is the issue resolvable, or will discussion turn into name-calling?


•Should I send private email instead of posting publicly?


•Will I later regret the contents of what I am posting?
Please deal with trolls constructively, and do not participate in trolling. You will help make mailing lists and online forums much more enjoyable venues for discussion

 

[Kennf1]

Alexander Vinokourov tested positive for blood doping six months after beginning work with the said Doctor, for blood doping. Something which is the good doctor's actual qualification.

No, no,no. That's easily explained. He was in a crash, and another rider's blood got into his system through open cuts.

Right Arbiter?

 

[Digger]

I didn't claim that nobody had ever tested positive that has used his services. But it's true that few athletes tested positive before he was taken to court. There is no evicence these people have tested positive because of anything to do with him. All the people he worked with were already on dope before they met him.

Finally, no doubt whatsoever, you are a troll....

 

[Zoncolan]

Finally, no doubt whatsoever, you are a troll....

Or a complete moron?