Cortisone use and Dr. Ferrari

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Do you believe he is not doping his clients?

A positive and an affirmative connection will do it for me. Until then, paranoia doesn't rule my thinking. No point in entertaining the question at the moment. Otherwise, you get hysteria like the fellows filing defamation suits for no reason at all.

 

[Digger]

A positive and an affirmative connection will do it for me.

Expand please.

 

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A positive test (rider was using) AND a connection to Ferrari (instructing rider to use).

I can't make it much clearer for you. This is very easy to digest.

 

[Digger]

A positive test (rider was using) AND a connection to Ferrari (instructing rider to use).

Lol...according to your burden of proof guidelines, Fuentes is also innocent.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Lol...according to your burden of proof guidelines, Fuentes is also innocent.

Well....that is what the Spanish court said, isn't it?

 

[Digger]

Well....that is what the Spanish court said, isn't it?

And your view?

 

[Hugh Januss]

And your view?

Pretty good at protecting their own citizens!

 

[Digger]

Pretty good at protecting their own citizens!

Lol...Indeed!!

 

[Eva Maria]

A positive test (rider was using) AND a connection to Ferrari (instructing rider to use).

I can't make it much clearer for you. This is very easy to digest.

Vino, Sinkewitz, Landis

 

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You have accomplished half of the equation. At least cycling has gotten that much correct.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

A positive test (rider was using) AND a connection to Ferrari (instructing rider to use).

I can't make it much clearer for you. This is very easy to digest.

Well Filippo Simeoni testified that he had received instructions on how to use PED's from Dr. Ferrari.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/2002/feb02/feb13news.php

Here is a rather interesting interview with Vinokourov just 2 weeks before he was caught for homologous blood doping.

Of course Vino says he only used Ferrari as a "trainer" - but why hire an expensive trainer and then go shooting up behind his back?

 

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Well Filippo Simeoni testified that he had received PED's from Dr. Ferrari.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/2002/feb02/feb13news.php

Here is a rather interesting interview[URL="http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokourov-on-ferrari" interview[/URL] with Vinokourov just 2 weeks before he was caught for homologous blood doping.

Of course Vino says he only used Ferrari as a "trainer" - but why hire an expensive trainer and then go shooting up behind his back?

Simeoni is a good start. But that is just one guy from the mid 90's. Cycling has to foster a better environment to encourage guys to step forward.

 

[TheArbiter]

Filippo Simeoni admitted that he took EPO before and after meeting Ferrari, so his credibility is in question. The judge agreed.

 

[TheArbiter]

Alexander Vinokourov had someone else's red blood cells in him, so it had nothing to do with Ferrari.

 

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Filippo Simeoni admitted that he took EPO before and after meeting Ferrari, so his credibility is in question. The judge agreed.

I believe Ferrari was involved in administering doping to Simeoni. Is there any other motive for Simeoni to implicate Ferrari under testimony?

 

[TheArbiter]

I believe Ferrari was involved in administering doping to Simeoni. Is there any other motive for Simeoni to implicate Ferrari under testimony?

It think it was a pleabargin type thing.

But it may well be true. It doesn't mean that a doping rider was introduced to dope by him. If the rider is already using the stuff then you can give them some advice on how to do it better, but this doesn't mean that you dope all your clients. Remember EPO was used with impunity before the test - most of the riders were on it, so it wasn't any big deal.

 

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It think it was a pleabargin type thing.

But it may well be true. It doesn't mean that a doping rider was introduced to dope by him. If the rider is already using the stuff then you can give them some advice on how to do it better, but this doesn't mean that you dope all your clients. Remember EPO was used with impunity before the test - most of the riders were on it, so it wasn't any big deal.

I think most athletes across all spectrum of professional sport were juiced. Everyone seemed OK with it until all sorts of long standing records started falling in conjunction with strange long term health implications for the athletes.

It is difficult to deny Ferrari wasn't part of that culture in that era of sports.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Alexander Vinokourov had someone else's red blood cells in him, so it had nothing to do with Ferrari.

Had to do with not reading the label right.

 

[TheArbiter]

Had to do with not reading the label right.

Yes, Ferrari wouldn't be so stupid as to advise someone to use someone else's red blood cells.

 

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Can't blame the guy. He probably thought Contador's blood would make him even faster.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Can't blame the guy. He probably thought Contador's blood would make him even faster.

Have you been drinking?

 

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Have you been drinking?

Not for years. I sort of miss it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Can't blame the guy. He probably thought Contador's blood would make him even faster.

Have you been drinking?

Not for years. I sort of miss it.

Well good for you, I had to ask since that last was a stunning non sequitur. So you can do that stone sober, huh?

 

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Well good for you, I had to ask since that last was a stunning non sequitur. So you can do that stone sober, huh?

Oh yes! With pleasure.

 

[elapid]

Oh yes! With pleasure.

I have to admit you are in very good form today.