Crashes, what can be done?

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I recently talked to some colleagues about road pro cycling, and they admitted they do not watch cycling too often, but when they watch, they watch to also see some spectacular crashes.

It is a difficult issue.

Hein Verbruggen once said riders dope because the spectators want to see the highest possible average speeds. Just like Doping, crashes are an evil of pro cycling. An evil which always was and certainly always will be part of pro cycling.

You could organize all future races on airport landing strips, that would make it a little bit safer.

One also should not deny that there are many very good bike handlers in the peloton, who love difficult, tricky, dangerous roads, because they handle the bike well, are young and aggressive, and are some kind of addicted to these moments, when the adrenaline kicks in.

And the fans seem to love the atmosphere, when riders pass directly in front of them, going 60 kms per hour, on a downhill pave sector.

I for myself accept this, somehow - just like I accept any other evil aspect of pro cycling. The only ones who make me cry are guys like Sanroma, Weylandt, Lambrecht, who do not deserve what destiny did do to them… :(
 
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I recently talked to some colleagues about road pro cycling, and they admitted they do not watch cycling too often, but when they watch, they watch to also see some spectacular crashes.

It is a difficult issue.

Hein Verbruggen once said riders dope because the spectators want to see the highest possible average speeds. Just like Doping, crashes are an evil of pro cycling. An evil which always was and certainly always will be part of pro cycling.

You could organize all future races on airport landing strips, that would make it a little bit safer.

One also should not deny that there are many very good bike handlers in the peloton, who love difficult, tricky, dangerous roads, because they handle the bike well, are young and aggressive, and are some kind of addicted to these moments, when the adrenaline kicks in.

And the fans seem to love the atmosphere, when riders pass directly in front of them, going 60 kms per hour, on a downhill pave sector.

I for myself accept this, somehow - just like I accept any other evil aspect of pro cycling. The only ones who make me cry are guys like Sanroma, Weylandt, Lambrecht, who do not deserve what destiny did do to them… :(
Who the hell is conducting these course risk assessments?
 
Due to Tour delivering on stage 5 my motivation to discuss safety during such race was rather low. As Vuelta started and this is the first rest day. Taking into the account all the sensible arguments from this thread and while being focused on collarbone protection. Fixed brace type of collarbone protection isn't best suited for pro road cycling. Adding some material like foam wouldn't do. As the forces involved are too big. The solution must be on-demand, adequate and to be activated in the case of a crash. We already have such technology in cars and motorcycles. Some vests for cycling started to emerge a few years back.




This solution might not offer "full protection" as it doesn't extended to shoulders. What it does show is that you can already pack an airbag solution into a rather small package. Solutions do already exist that offer more protection:




Using such system the number of collarbone related injuries would drop substantially. Just like it did in other sports when started to being used. But the current offering is too big to be regarded as suitable for pro peloton. The target is a casual commuter. As the challenge was "show me a solution for cycling that would reduce the number of collarbone injuries". And that was achieved.

The challenges still involved in regards to pro road cycling are to scale down this solution and to make it suitable for pro peloton. Here i feel that the pressure should be put on cycling apparel manufacturers. As currently they are selling equipment that doesn't offer any protection against such type of injuries. Beyond some mild road rash prevention. Once things get into motion each new generation will be more suitable for pro road cycling. I imagine that the transition phase to go from usage on some stages or sections to full time usage. Once the technology will be there. As for that to make much more sense in compared to not wearing it and risking such type of injuries and down time.
 
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Due to Tour delivering on stage 5 my motivation to discuss safety during such race was rather low. As Vuelta started and this is the first rest day. Taking into the account all the sensible arguments from this thread and while being focused on collarbone protection. Fixed brace type of collarbone protection isn't best suited for pro road cycling. Adding some material like foam wouldn't do. As the forces involved are too big. The solution must be on-demand, adequate and to be activated in the case of a crash. We already have such technology in cars and motorcycles. Some vests for cycling started to emerge a few years back.




This solution might not offer "full protection" as it doesn't extended to shoulders. What it does show is that you can already pack an airbag solution into a rather small package. Solutions do already exist that offer more protection:




Using such system the number of collarbone related injuries would drop substantially. Just like it did in other sports when started to being used. But the current offering is too big to be regarded as suitable for pro peloton. The target is a casual commuter. As the challenge was "show me a solution for cycling that would reduce the number of collarbone injuries". And that was achieved.

The challenges still involved in regards to pro road cycling are to scale down this solution and to make it suitable for pro peloton. Here i feel that the pressure should be put on cycling apparel manufacturers. As currently they are selling equipment that doesn't offer any protection against such type of injuries. Beyond some mild road rash prevention. Once things get into motion each new generation will be more suitable for pro road cycling. I imagine that the transition phase to go from usage on some stages or sections to full time usage. Once the technology will be there. As for that to make much more sense in compared to not wearing it and risking such type of injuries and down time.
How would it know when to engage the airbag? They have like this for life jackets but they engage when you enter the water.

When both hands are off the handlebars? sometimes you crash with both of them still on or what happens if you take them off to do something.

When your shoulders go above the handlebars? Then every type of rider would be affected.

How would riders do with the extra weight and heat?
 
Using such system the number of collarbone related injuries would drop substantially. Just like it did in other sports when started to being used. But the current offering is too big to be regarded as suitable for pro peloton. The target is a casual commuter. As the challenge was "show me a solution for cycling that would reduce the number of collarbone injuries". And that was achieved.
Yeah, I still think (hope) that the first focus will be to prevent serious injuries. You know, like head injuries and stuff like that.
 
As the challenge was "show me a solution for cycling that would reduce the number of collarbone injuries". And that was achieved.
No, the challenge was always to find solutions that could work in the pro peloton, since this was never about the general public.

I'm sure better products can be invented, but there obviously need to be a demand, which still doesn't seem to be the case currently.
 
I had some spare time so created an apparel to reduce head injuries
Of course helmets helps. But head injuries still happen, and I'll much rather the focus is on that issue - including knowing when to stop a rider from participating in a race when concussed - instead of the practical non-issue of broken collarbones. How many broken collarbones are career ending, or even season ending, unless it happens right at the end of the season?
 
Due to Tour delivering on stage 5 my motivation to discuss safety during such race was rather low. As Vuelta started and this is the first rest day. Taking into the account all the sensible arguments from this thread and while being focused on collarbone protection. Fixed brace type of collarbone protection isn't best suited for pro road cycling. Adding some material like foam wouldn't do. As the forces involved are too big. The solution must be on-demand, adequate and to be activated in the case of a crash. We already have such technology in cars and motorcycles. Some vests for cycling started to emerge a few years back.




This solution might not offer "full protection" as it doesn't extended to shoulders. What it does show is that you can already pack an airbag solution into a rather small package. Solutions do already exist that offer more protection:




Using such system the number of collarbone related injuries would drop substantially. Just like it did in other sports when started to being used. But the current offering is too big to be regarded as suitable for pro peloton. The target is a casual commuter. As the challenge was "show me a solution for cycling that would reduce the number of collarbone injuries". And that was achieved.

The challenges still involved in regards to pro road cycling are to scale down this solution and to make it suitable for pro peloton. Here i feel that the pressure should be put on cycling apparel manufacturers. As currently they are selling equipment that doesn't offer any protection against such type of injuries. Beyond some mild road rash prevention. Once things get into motion each new generation will be more suitable for pro road cycling. I imagine that the transition phase to go from usage on some stages or sections to full time usage. Once the technology will be there. As for that to make much more sense in compared to not wearing it and risking such type of injuries and down time.
I’m sure this is all nice to a few very safety hyper focused people, but in pro cycling we need to focus on head injuries, and when riding my bike I’m not wearing this air bag around with me to save my collarbones when they aren’t a serious injury.
 
I’m sure this is all nice to a few very safety hyper focused people, but in pro cycling we need to focus on head injuries, and when riding my bike I’m not wearing this air bag around with me to save my collarbones when they aren’t a serious injury.
Ma’am, your child’s collarbone was protected so there’s no worries there. Unfortunately they are suffering from an anoxic brain injury and will be on a trach/vent to help them breathe.
 

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