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Crashes, what can be done?

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So you are in favor of airbags and you would wear one it's just currently you don't believe they could work in pro road peloton. Being an expert in this field that vest didn't convince you. I feel it's reasonable reaction to be cautious. We are only humans.

Anyway. The best thing is for UCI to mandate such technology in lets say Paris-Roubaix 2026. UCI needs to step up like for example FIS did for skiers. And that whole list of questions you have. You won't have to worry about them as much after as apparel manufacturers will take care of it. In the end they are paid for it. Personally i will track statistics for collarbones injuries. Hopefully they will drop substantially! Note that the hip, spine, shoulder, chest ... injuries. I am OK with that sort of injuries to get reduced substantially too. I have no problem with it. In the end it comes down to an additional air pocket and connection to already available system. You just have to start somewhere.
Just stop posting mate nobody wants to hear about your stupid airbag idea for the billionth time.
 
How about banning jerseys tied to a rope hooking riders bars?! :mad:

Calmejane should have been allowed to punch the idiot without worrying about getting punished.
Also, dunno if the idiot was actually trying to help, just in a rather unhelpful way, but it sure looked to me like he was more concerned with getting his old jerseys off the ground, than with helping the rider he'd just caused to crash untangle the rope from his bike.
 
Calmejane should have been allowed to punch the idiot without worrying about getting punished.
Also, dunno if the idiot was actually trying to help, just in a rather unhelpful way, but it sure looked to me like he was more concerned with getting his old jerseys off the ground, than with helping the rider he'd just caused to crash untangle the rope from his bike.
Old jerseys might be worth more to him than Calmejane, you don’t strap jerseys to a stick and wave them around in front of a rider unless you value them more than a human life.
 

Finally, after all this years, saying that nothing can be done, they finally did something! And on top of that said it's only the start. So there you have it. Something can be done and they did it. No going back now.

The age of improving safety in pro peloton has started. In my opinion this is the same revolution as the one where doping was a non issue and transitioning to the culture where it was acknowledged it is an issue was rocky.

So in regards to barriers. I remember the common excuse. When we started this debates. That is you can't have 200km of barriers. And people saying that felt rather smart by saying it. Now when we understand the issues involved better. We know that you don't need 200km of barriers. For start a couple of meters at exposed sections will do. The same with holes in the road. You can't have 200km of perfect roads. What you can have is a threshold for liability. When it comes to dangerous sections like demanding descends.

I am glad that governing bodies are finally doing something. It's a shame they opposed such changes in the past. Being involved in such discussions and seeing the culture around safety in pro peloton first hand. I can understand on why.

On top of that riders from pro peloton are more and more demanding things like relegation. And are saying publicly that current system is not good. And they are not any less man because of it. That is what being a man is all about. What we have now is what children would do. Not man.

That i guess leaves the fans. Here the changes will likely take longer. But with proper education we will turn morons into intelligent and well informed participants. I know some of you are a bit skeptical about this last part. As people will stand in front of train to make a selfie. But the selfie culture is something you are not born with. It's taught. As such it can indeed change.

And obviously apparel will improve/change in the future. Some will just have to cope with that. Like it was with helmets.
 
Two major things happened this season.

First one being riders realized that this is first and foremost an internal thing. That is they need to stand united in speaking out and demanding for things to improve in regards to safety. They are now able to put their partial interest aside and not only demand but achieve results. This is a huge leap forward. Likely riders will be attacked for it from all sides. Important thing is to not give in and not to attack themself from the inside. Like it worked in the past and UCI, rider syndicates, fans ... Laughing at it.

Second one was seen partially here and there but is best described on what happened on stage 2 at Vuetla 2023. That is riders achieved for the whole format of a (semi) sprinting stage to change. That is GC fight was long over, before the finish line, hence meaningless and stupid GC crashes where prevented, at the end of the stage, due to GC riders not having any real initiative to be there. Simple rules and strong regulation should sort out and reduce the crashes in the remaining bunch sprinting.

Additional minor achievement was UCI formed a task force and result was some innovation in regards to barriers on exposed sections at the Tour. But it now looks like they lost the momentum.

In regards to more protective apparel. Here still nothing was done. And this is the area that will improve things the most. So hopefully some major breakthrough soon.

In regards to the fans. I feel that the very first thing to address is more education provided through popular channels in regards to the selfie culture. Always keep your eyes on the peloton. Not on a camera or cardboard.
 
Two major things happened this season.

First one being riders realized that this is first and foremost an internal thing. That is they need to stand united in speaking out and demanding for things to improve in regards to safety. They are now able to put their partial interest aside and not only demand but achieve results. This is a huge leap forward. Likely riders will be attacked for it from all sides. Important thing is to not give in and not to attack themself from the inside. Like it worked in the past and UCI, rider syndicates, fans ... Laughing at it.

Second one was seen partially here and there but is best described on what happened on stage 2 at Vuetla 2023. That is riders achieved for the whole format of a (semi) sprinting stage to change. That is GC fight was long over, before the finish line, hence meaningless and stupid GC crashes where prevented, at the end of the stage, due to GC riders not having any real initiative to be there. Simple rules and strong regulation should sort out and reduce the crashes in the remaining bunch sprinting.

Additional minor achievement was UCI formed a task force and result was some innovation in regards to barriers on exposed sections at the Tour. But it now looks like they lost the momentum.

In regards to more protective apparel. Here still nothing was done. And this is the area that will improve things the most. So hopefully some major breakthrough soon.

In regards to the fans. I feel that the very first thing to address is more education provided through popular channels in regards to the selfie culture. Always keep your eyes on the peloton. Not on a camera or cardboard.
Two things I want to say-the riders are only reacting to stage 2 because of the atrocity of stage 1. Guarantee if that stars at a normal time stage 2 goes off as normal, as it should, seeing how the finish was. Second-how many times do we need to say protective gear is utterly pointless and is not going to be implemented soon.
 
Two things I want to say-the riders are only reacting to stage 2 because of the atrocity of stage 1. Guarantee if that stars at a normal time stage 2 goes off as normal, as it should, seeing how the finish was.

Still they are doing it this season extensively. They realized the joke was on them and nobody really did anything meaningful, to try to improve their safety. After such realization there is no going back.

Second-how many times do we need to say protective gear is utterly pointless and is not going to be implemented soon.

Yeah. Better to remove the helmet too. So the answer to your question is. It's pointless to fight it. It will happen sooner rather then later.

Lots of things are being done to improve helmets.

For example?
 
The 9 k GC neutralization in the Vuelta worked.
Honestly, it didn't work:
the stretch between km 40-km 9 was full of roundabouts and road furniture, very slippery, and e.g. Roglic and Thomas crashed. They rode it fairly hard (averaging around 50K an hour) as DSM still wanted to chase Piccolo.

So how did it work? Maybe, just maybe it prevented any more crashes in the last 3K, but it seemed pretty OK to ride that part at racing speed.

So to conclude: I don't see how it worked, in this case. It will probably work better in flat stages, but it is much harder to organize / agree in the peloton among GC contenders to let go a peloton on the flat, than it was while going up Montjuic. And the whole thing with neutralizing GC is you want it for the sprint stages, not for the stages where something could happen among GC guys like on Montjuic.
 
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Lots of things are being done to improve helmets.
For example?