Critérium du Dauphiné 2017 (04/06 > 11/06/2017)

[The Hitch]

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So far Richie has always had a bad day in a GT

We live in an era where guys who had 20 bad days in every gt they ever raced turn into gt contenders and winners late in their career. I remember this same argument being used for tons of people who later did very well in gts.

 

[klintE]

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Today, 7 June 2017, the Richie Porte Era has begun.

Crazy he is six months older than Andy.

So what? Garou started to singing when he was 40
PS You know i was kidding right?

 

[kingjr]

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LOL at the posters who think the Froome era is over with, I said earlier he'd be lucky to top 10, he is taking things at a slower pace, thinking long term for the double, he has nothing to prove in this race and its smart from him, the Tour and Vuelta is what he wants

Don't buy that at all. It would be absolute madness to change the preparation that has made him unbeatable in the Tour, just for potentially a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. Sky are many things, but they're not so stupid as to risk the only race they and their sponsors really care about.

He never looked unbeatable in any of the Tours he won.

 

[Ruby United]

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Not ready to at all think Froome isn't the big favorite next month. I seem to remember Mayo destroying a Ventoux TT in the Dauphine and the favorite finishing fifth. Yet when the Tour came around, that guy won it again.

Yeah, because it took that guy just one simple phone call to Switzerland to pull the plug out off that very promising Basque bunch of bastards

Never forget.

Trust me, those Basque guys made plenty of 'calls to Switzerland'
Especially Mayo

 

[Netserk]

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Not ready to at all think Froome isn't the big favorite next month. I seem to remember Mayo destroying a Ventoux TT in the Dauphine and the favorite finishing fifth. Yet when the Tour came around, that guy won it again.

Yeah, because it took that guy just one simple phone call to Switzerland to pull the plug out off that very promising Basque bunch of bastards

Never forget.

Trust me, those Basque guys made plenty of 'calls to Switzerland'
Especially Mayo

Source?

 

[DFA123]

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LOL at the posters who think the Froome era is over with, I said earlier he'd be lucky to top 10, he is taking things at a slower pace, thinking long term for the double, he has nothing to prove in this race and its smart from him, the Tour and Vuelta is what he wants

Don't buy that at all. It would be absolute madness to change the preparation that has made him unbeatable in the Tour, just for potentially a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. Sky are many things, but they're not so stupid as to risk the only race they and their sponsors really care about.

He never looked unbeatable in any of the Tours he won.

Yes he did. As evidenced by the fact that he was unbeaten in them.

 

[Angliru]

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Not ready to at all think Froome isn't the big favorite next month. I seem to remember Mayo destroying a Ventoux TT in the Dauphine and the favorite finishing fifth. Yet when the Tour came around, that guy won it again.

Yeah, because it took that guy just one simple phone call to Switzerland to pull the plug out off that very promising Basque bunch of bastards

Never forget.

Trust me, those Basque guys made plenty of 'calls to Switzerland'
Especially Mayo

I'm thinking that you don't understand what Pennino meant by his post. The little Basque team certainly didn't have the influence with the cycling authorities that his highness, cancer Jeezuz Armstrong did. Not to say that is what happened, but Armstrong seemed to live a very charmed professional life until Landis got jilted and retaliated.

 

[johnymax]

Wow. I sure didn't see it coming. Porte was my favourite for the Dauphine before, but I thought he'd defend himself in the ITT and dominate in the mountains. After this performance I can't imagine what he'll do to the opposition on the climbs. Well now he doesn't even need to attack. Hopefully Valverde, Froome and Contador will give a good fight, but I doubt they can challenge Richie.

 

[kingjr]

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LOL at the posters who think the Froome era is over with, I said earlier he'd be lucky to top 10, he is taking things at a slower pace, thinking long term for the double, he has nothing to prove in this race and its smart from him, the Tour and Vuelta is what he wants

Don't buy that at all. It would be absolute madness to change the preparation that has made him unbeatable in the Tour, just for potentially a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. Sky are many things, but they're not so stupid as to risk the only race they and their sponsors really care about.

He never looked unbeatable in any of the Tours he won.

Yes he did. As evidenced by the fact that he was unbeaten in them.

That makes no sense

 

[WheelofGear]

Very good TT from Pierre Latour. Great for a pure climber. Future Ground Tour podium candidate? If Bardet is tried after the Tour, he should be allowed to lead the Vuelta.

Hopefully he wouldn't have to do too much work in the Tour.

 

[DFA123]

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LOL at the posters who think the Froome era is over with, I said earlier he'd be lucky to top 10, he is taking things at a slower pace, thinking long term for the double, he has nothing to prove in this race and its smart from him, the Tour and Vuelta is what he wants

Don't buy that at all. It would be absolute madness to change the preparation that has made him unbeatable in the Tour, just for potentially a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. Sky are many things, but they're not so stupid as to risk the only race they and their sponsors really care about.

He never looked unbeatable in any of the Tours he won.

Yes he did. As evidenced by the fact that he was unbeaten in them.

That makes no sense

You seem to be spoiling for a fight over some kind of minor semantics. For me, if you win the race every time you finish it for four years running, then you're pretty much unbeatable on that form.

Anyway, the point is that Froome would be crazy to risk changing the preparation which has seen him dominate the Tour for the past five years, just for possibly having a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. No way he or Sky would do that, imo.

 

[Angliru]

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LOL at the posters who think the Froome era is over with, I said earlier he'd be lucky to top 10, he is taking things at a slower pace, thinking long term for the double, he has nothing to prove in this race and its smart from him, the Tour and Vuelta is what he wants

Don't buy that at all. It would be absolute madness to change the preparation that has made him unbeatable in the Tour, just for potentially a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. Sky are many things, but they're not so stupid as to risk the only race they and their sponsors really care about.

He never looked unbeatable in any of the Tours he won.

Yes he did. As evidenced by the fact that he was unbeaten in them.

That makes no sense

You seem to be spoiling for a fight over some kind of minor semantics. For me, if you win the race every time you finish it for four years running, then you're pretty much unbeatable on that form.

Anyway, the point is that Froome would be crazy to risk changing the preparation which has seen him dominate the Tour for the past five years, just for possibly having a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. No way he or Sky would do that, imo.[/quote]

If he is considered unbeatable (and his team believes that and recognizes the formula they have been using for him to reach that level every July is why) at the Tour then there is a margin where he could alter his preparations just so that he has just that little bit left after July to finally win the Vuelta. His season so far would indicate that he is planning to have a long enough peak or extension of good form to make the Vuelta more of a winnable event. Add in the fact that the only rider that actually challenged him will be arriving at the Tour with the Giro in his legs, it gives Froome that level of belief that he can take that risk of altering his usual prep without that much risk.

(Sorry about the messy post. Couldn't figure out how to eliminate one of the 5 quotes so that I could submit my response)

 

[klintE]

BTW, wondering how much could Tom gain here on Froome in Giro Shape?

 

[lenric]

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BTW, wondering how much could Tom gain here on Froome in Giro Shape?

He'd beat Porte, but not by more than 30 seconds.

 

[DanielSong39]

First time trial in the Giro, maybe a minute or more. Second time trial, marginal gains at best.

As for Froome, who knows how his body will respond over a 3 week period. If he completely cracks in the mountains and complains about a back problem again then there may be cause for concern. With that said, Froome could just be playing possum here.

 

[Netserk]

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Don't buy that at all. It would be absolute madness to change the preparation that has made him unbeatable in the Tour, just for potentially a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. Sky are many things, but they're not so stupid as to risk the only race they and their sponsors really care about.

He never looked unbeatable in any of the Tours he won.

Yes he did. As evidenced by the fact that he was unbeaten in them.

That makes no sense

You seem to be spoiling for a fight over some kind of minor semantics. For me, if you win the race every time you finish it for four years running, then you're pretty much unbeatable on that form.

Anyway, the point is that Froome would be crazy to risk changing the preparation which has seen him dominate the Tour for the past five years, just for possibly having a marginally better shot at the Vuelta. No way he or Sky would do that, imo.

Would you say that Gotti was unbeatable in the Giro from '97-'99?

 

[Robert5091]

Seems race shape is already good for Porte/Valverde and about the same lesser condition for Froome/Bertie. How they fare going uphill will be interesting. If Froome/Bertie plan to do TdF and Vuelta it makes sense.

 

[Robert5091]

Stage 5 people - 1 cat 2 and some bumps

Sprint teams get it right or breakaway bonanza? I'll go with sprint teams have done their homework (after a ticking off). FDJ to show how it's done

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Seems race shape is already good for Porte/Valverde and about the same lesser condition for Froome/Bertie. How they fare going uphill will be interesting. If Froome/Bertie plan to do TdF and Vuelta it makes sense.

I wouldn't say that. Obviously this TT result is better for Contador than for Froome.

 

[Blanco]

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Seems race shape is already good for Porte/Valverde and about the same lesser condition for Froome/Bertie. How they fare going uphill will be interesting. If Froome/Bertie plan to do TdF and Vuelta it makes sense.

Only Valverde is going to Vuelta 100%. Froome probably, but not 100%, Contador 50/50

 

[RedheadDane]

Simon Clarke seems to have some "issues" with the hotel room.
Woooonder whyyyy. :lol:

 

[starlord]

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Simon Clarke seems to have some "issues" with the hotel room.
Woooonder whyyyy. :lol:

Kirby approves

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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Seems race shape is already good for Porte/Valverde and about the same lesser condition for Froome/Bertie. How they fare going uphill will be interesting. If Froome/Bertie plan to do TdF and Vuelta it makes sense.

I wouldn't say that. Obviously this TT result is better for Contador than for Froome.

The result, yeah, but the performance I'm not sure about.

I don't think Froome was nearly as bad as the result suggests, considering that he almost certainly blew himself up.

 

[rick james]

Yogi a DNS today, went home ill, maybe a bug in the sky team?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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Simon Clarke seems to have some "issues" with the hotel room.
Woooonder whyyyy. :lol:

Kirby approves

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