Critérium du Dauphiné 2023, June 4 - 11

[Rob5091]

Be interesting to see how Bernal gets on and the other GC hopefuls.

 

[Vesica]

José Been, the Dutch woman working for Eurosport UK, also received complaints when she pronounced Dutch names (i.e. her own language) like they're supposed to sound. English people just couldn't understand her.

Of course people complain about Been, especially when you name the wrong riders or even name riders who aren't in that specific race.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He rode for his country so that he wouldn't be docked wages as they found a loophole in the rules - And he rode 15kms and stepped off the bike.

It's not a loophole. It's there for a reason. And the team has never used it when other riders where injured. In fact the opposite is true, with many riders even getting new contracts during long term injuries.

I'm also not sure riding for a nation had any impact on this rule, as the period of inactivity for the team remained.

In this case it was the rider who shut out the team, not the other way around.

 

[DJ Sprtsch]

Latour to stay in the hot seat until Benjamin Thomas ? Or Cavagna?

13:41:00 Donavan Grondin (Team Arkea-Samsic)
13:42:00 Dries Devenyns (Soudal Quick-Step)
13:43:00 Dylan van Baarle (Jumbo-Visma)
13:44:00 Lionel Taminiaux (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
13:45:00 Sergio Samitier (Movistar Team)
13:46:00 Aleksandr Riabushenko (Astana Qazaqstan)
13:47:00 Florian Stork (Team DSM)
13:48:00 Ryan Mullen (Bora-Hansgrohe)
13:49:00 Hugo Hofstetter (Team Arkea-Samsic)
13:50:00 Thomas de Gendt (Lotto Dstny)
13:51:00 Victor Campenaerts (Lotto Dstny)
13:52:00 Pierre Latour (TotalEnergies)
13:53:00 Ben Turner (Ineos Grenadiers)
13:54:00 Rein Taaramäe (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
13:55:00 Matthieu Ladagnous (Groupama-FDJ)
13:56:00 Anders Halland Johannessen (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
13:57:00 Vegard Stake Laengen (UAE Team Emirates)
13:58:00 Manuele Boaro (Astana Qazaqstan)
13:59:00 Leon Heinschke (Team DSM)
14:00:00 Kevin Ledanois (Team Arkea-Samsic)
14:01:00 Nans Peters (AG2R Citroen Team)
14:02:00 Ivo Oliveira (UAE Team Emirates)
14:03:00 Fabien Grellier (TotalEnergies)
14:04:00 Kamil Gradek (Bahrain Victorious)
14:05:00 Reuben Thompson (Groupama-FDJ)
14:06:00 Jonathan Castroviejo (Ineos Grenadiers)
14:07:00 Luke Durbridge (Team Jayco Alula)
14:08:00 Elmar Reinders (Team Jayco Alula)
14:09:00 Owain Doull (EF Education-Easypost)
14:10:00 Matevž Govekar (Bahrain Victorious)
14:11:00 Mathieu Burgaudeau (TotalEnergies)
14:12:00 Patrick Gamper (Bora-Hansgrohe)
14:13:00 Lukasz Owsian (Team Arkea-Samsic)
14:14:00 Dylan Groenewegen (Team Jayco Alula)
14:15:00 Tom Paquot (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
14:16:00 Pierre luc Perichon (Cofidis)
14:17:00 Andrea Piccolo (EF Education-Easypost)
14:18:00 Lorenzo Milesi (Team DSM)
14:19:00 Franck Bonnamour (AG2R Citroen Team)
14:20:00 Jimmy Janssens (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
14:21:00 Madis Mihkels (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
14:22:00 Fabio van den Bossche (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
14:23:00 Milan Menten (Lotto Dstny)
14:24:00 Benjamin Thomas (Cofidis)
14:25:00 Fredrik Dversnes (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
14:26:00 Olivier le Gac (Groupama-FDJ)
14:27:00 Jonas Gregaard Wilsly (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
14:28:00 Lawson Craddock (Team Jayco Alula)
14:29:00 Joe Dombrowski (Astana Qazaqstan)
14:30:00 Sam Bennett (Bora-Hansgrohe)
14:31:00 Jon Aberasturi Izaga (Trek-Segafredo)
14:32:00 Matteo Vercher (TotalEnergies)
14:33:00 Mauri Vansevenant (Soudal Quick-Step)
14:34:00 Nelson Oliveira (Movistar Team)
14:35:00 Jorge Arcas (Movistar Team)
14:36:00 Rémi Cavagna (Soudal Quick-Step)
14:37:00 Anthon Charmig (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
14:38:00 Anthony Perez (Cofidis)
14:39:00 Eddy Fine (Cofidis)
14:40:00 Geoffrey Bouchard (AG2R Citroen Team)
14:41:00 Eduardo Sepulveda (Lotto Dstny)
14:42:00 Kenny Elissonde (Trek-Segafredo)
14:43:00 Nathan van Hooydonck (Jumbo-Visma)
14:44:00 Andrey Amador (EF Education-Easypost)
14:45:00 Ethan Vernon (Soudal Quick-Step)
14:46:00 Brent van Moer (Lotto Dstny)
14:47:00 Gianmarco Garofoli (Astana Qazaqstan)
14:48:00 Tsgabu Grmay (Team Jayco Alula)
14:49:00 Antonio Pedrero (Movistar Team)
14:50:00 Andrea Bagioli (Soudal Quick-Step)
14:51:00 Tiesj Benoot (Jumbo-Visma)
14:52:00 Tobias Bayer (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
14:53:00 Harrison Sweeny (Lotto Dstny)
14:54:00 Natnael Tesfatsion (Trek-Segafredo)
14:55:00 Antonio Nibali (Astana Qazaqstan)
14:56:00 Martin Urianstad Bugge (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
14:57:00 Anthony Delaplace (Team Arkea-Samsic)
14:58:00 James Shaw (EF Education-Easypost)
14:59:00 Nils Politt (Bora-Hansgrohe)
15:00:00 Valentin Madouas (Groupama-FDJ)
15:01:00 Dorian Godon (AG2R Citroen Team)
15:02:00 Georg Zimmermann (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
15:03:00 Lenny Martinez (Groupama-FDJ)
15:04:00 Juan Pedro Lopez (Trek-Segafredo)
15:05:00 Matteo Trentin (UAE Team Emirates)
15:06:00 Florian Senechal (Soudal Quick-Step)
15:07:00 Danny van Poppel (Bora-Hansgrohe)
15:08:00 Hermann Pernsteiner (Bahrain Victorious)
15:09:00 Attila Valter (Jumbo-Visma)
15:10:00 Jason Osborne (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
15:11:00 Nicola Conci (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
15:12:00 Edoardo Zambanini (Bahrain Victorious)
15:13:00 Rafal Majka (UAE Team Emirates)
15:14:00 Rudy Porter (Team Jayco Alula)
15:15:00 Oliver Naesen (AG2R Citroen Team)
15:16:00 David de la Cruz (Astana Qazaqstan)
15:17:00 Louis Meintjes (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
15:18:00 Mikel Landa (Bahrain Victorious)
15:19:00 Alexis Vuillermoz (TotalEnergies)
15:20:00 Emanuel Buchmann (Bora-Hansgrohe)
15:21:00 Omar Fraile (Ineos Grenadiers)
15:22:00 Enric Mas (Movistar Team)
15:23:00 Gregor Mühlberger (Movistar Team)
15:24:00 Harrison Wood (Cofidis)
15:25:00 Simon Guglielmi (Team Arkea-Samsic)
15:26:00 Daniel Martinez (Ineos Grenadiers)
15:27:00 Matteo Jorgenson (Movistar Team)
15:28:00 Greg Van Avermaet (AG2R Citroen Team)
15:29:00 Kévin Geniets (Groupama-FDJ)
15:30:00 Sean Quinn (EF Education-Easypost)
15:31:00 David Gaudu (Groupama-FDJ)
15:32:00 Jai Hindley (Bora-Hansgrohe)
15:33:00 Jack Haig (Bahrain Victorious)
15:34:00 Markus Hoelgaard (Trek-Segafredo)
15:35:00 Torstein Træen (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
15:36:00 Max Poole (Team DSM)
15:37:00 Mikkel Bjerg (UAE Team Emirates)
15:38:00 Chris Harper (Team Jayco Alula)
15:39:00 Giulio Ciccone (Trek-Segafredo)
15:40:00 Oscar Onley (Team DSM)
15:41:00 Adam Yates (UAE Team Emirates)
15:42:00 Esteban Chaves (EF Education-Easypost)
15:43:00 Ben O'Connor (AG2R Citroen Team)
15:44:00 Robert Stannard (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
15:45:00 Jonas Vingegaard (Jumbo-Visma)
15:46:00 Carlos Rodriguez (Ineos Grenadiers)
15:47:00 Guillaume Martin (Cofidis)
15:48:00 Clément Champoussin (Team Arkea-Samsic)
15:49:00 Egan Bernal (Ineos Grenadiers)
15:50:00 Felix Grossschartner (UAE Team Emirates)
15:51:00 Axel Zingle (Cofidis)
15:52:00 Tobias Halland Johannessen (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
15:53:00 Edvald Boasson-Hagen (TotalEnergies)
15:54:00 Marco Brenner (Team DSM)
15:55:00 Fred Wright (Bahrain Victorious)
15:56:00 Maxim van Gils (Lotto Dstny)
15:57:00 Rune Herregodts (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
15:58:00 Richard Carapaz (EF Education-Easypost)
15:59:00 Julian Alaphilippe (Soudal Quick-Step)
16:00:00 Christophe Laporte (Jumbo-Visma)

 

[theyoungest]

Of course people complain about Been, especially when you name the wrong riders or even name riders who aren't in that specific race.

I'm not talking about her other possible flaws... but feel free to send her an email, she'll love it.

 

[BR2]

i wonder if van Baarle will already try to do a good time
if yes that could stand for a while

 

[tobydawq]

It's not a loophole. It's there for a reason. And the team has never used it when other riders where injured. In fact the opposite is true, with many riders even getting new contracts during long term injuries.

I'm also not sure riding for a nation had any impact on this rule, as the period of inactivity for the team remained.

In this case it was the rider who shut out the team, not the other way around.

I don't know where this is coming from. Lefevere treated him like dirt. How you can say it was unilaterally Bennett who was responsible for how that relationship ended, I don't get it at all.

 

[BR2]

I don't know where this is coming from. Lefevere treated him like dirt. How you can say it was unilaterally Bennett who was responsible for how that relationship ended, I don't get at all.

The real question is how Logic will react if PL ever really falls out with Remco.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I don't know where this is coming from. Lefevere treated him like dirt. How you can say it was unilaterally Bennett who was responsible for how that relationship ended, I don't get at all.

I mean he had already fallen out with Denk at BORA, so perhaps he isn't necessarily the easiest rider to work with. That said, it was clear that Lefevere's way of doing things and behaving in the media definitely didn't improve their relationship.

 

[tobydawq]

I mean he had already fallen out with Denk at BORA, so perhaps he isn't necessarily the easiest rider to work with. That said, it was clear that Lefevere's way of doing things and behaving in the media definitely didn't improve their relationship.

That's possible. But he did keep quiet in the media when Lefevere was insinuating that he was faking injuries and comparing him to a wife who returns home to a violent husband and other niceties. So he doesn't strike me as the most difficult type.

 

[BR2]

Pierre Latour overtakes Campenaerts within the first few kilometers in a time trial is not a typical sentence.

 

[DNP-Old]

Van Baarle with his current level should raise some big question marks within Jumbo.

 

[DNP-Old]

That's possible. But he did keep quiet in the media when Lefevere was insinuating that he was faking injuries and comparing him to a wife who returns home to a violent husband and other niceties. So he doesn't strike me as the most difficult type.

What is difficult? Within QuickStep, and this was looooong before his knee issues, it's been said he is very much afraid of pressure and has a big fear of failure. On what I believe was his second race day for QuickStep he lost some sprint in Australia to Ewan(?) and his immediate reaction towards teammates was asking whether Lefevere (who was on the other side of the world btw) is going to be angry. Lol.

 

[Rackham]

Van Baarle with his current level should raise some big question marks within Jumbo.

I'd like to imagine he's not going deep at all & he's saving himself for later this week.

Although I was surprised he was doing valley work on the front on Monday, i.e. even before Van Hooydonck. That suggests he might not have good legs right now.

 

[Nick2413]

Ben Turner abandoned?

 

[tobydawq]

What is difficult? Within QuickStep, and this was looooong before his knee issues, it's been said he is very much afraid of pressure and has a big fear of failure. On what I believe was his second race day for QuickStep he lost some sprint in Australia to Ewan(?) and his immediate reaction towards teammates was asking whether Lefevere (who was on the other side of the world btw) is going to be angry. Lol.

Okay, that's a different type of difficult than I had in mind.

 

[theyoungest]

Van Baarle with his current level should raise some big question marks within Jumbo.

Other than that he probably isn't great because he's just returning from injury, what do we really now about his form?

 

[DNP-Old]

Okay, that's a different type of difficult than I had in mind.

There used to be a conspiracy theory within QuickStep involving Bennett. Remember when he was riding finale in one of the minor cobble classics? E3 or GW iirc. He started puking and what not. All headlines spoke of him going too deep on one of the climbs, but it is thought that he started puking because he was scared. Whether this is based on numbers we never saw I do not know.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

That's possible. But he did keep quiet in the media when Lefevere was insinuating that he was faking injuries and comparing him to a wife who returns home to a violent husband and other niceties. So he doesn't strike me as the most difficult type.

I obviously don't know the full story, but I agree that there was no reason for Lefevere to lash out against him the way he did, but he isn't exactly known for keeping internal matters confidential.

 

[Rob5091]

Ben Turner abandoned?

According to PCS - yes, which is odd unless he crashed. Castroviejo seems at least to have got over his problems.
Edit - Turner was the 13th rider to start - the ol' voodoo again.

 

[DNP-Old]

Other than that he probably isn't great because he's just returning from injury, what do we really now about his form?

I'm assuming he isn't currently receiving the Tim Declerq treatment because he was so stellar on training camp. Jumbo are already thin on uphill help, they might not be able to afford for Van Baarle to not be at his very best.

 

[theyoungest]

I'm assuming he isn't currently receiving the Tim Declerq treatment because he was so stellar on training camp. Jumbo are already thin on uphill help, they might not be able to afford for Van Baarle to not be at his very best.

Van Hooydonck is the only rider currently there who is more or less on the same level uphill as Van Baarle, the rest of them are simply better. So it makes sense for him to be the first workhorse.

 

[DJ Sprtsch]

This time I really thought Latour would show something. Or did he have a mechanical?

 

[Rob5091]

The official website has Turner down as crashed.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

Latour to stay in the hot seat until Benjamin Thomas ? Or Cavagna?

13:41:00 Donavan Grondin (Team Arkea-Samsic)
13:42:00 Dries Devenyns (Soudal Quick-Step)
13:43:00 Dylan van Baarle (Jumbo-Visma)
13:44:00 Lionel Taminiaux (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
13:45:00 Sergio Samitier (Movistar Team)
13:46:00 Aleksandr Riabushenko (Astana Qazaqstan)
13:47:00 Florian Stork (Team DSM)
13:48:00 Ryan Mullen (Bora-Hansgrohe)
13:49:00 Hugo Hofstetter (Team Arkea-Samsic)
13:50:00 Thomas de Gendt (Lotto Dstny)
13:51:00 Victor Campenaerts (Lotto Dstny)
13:52:00 Pierre Latour (TotalEnergies)
13:53:00 Ben Turner (Ineos Grenadiers)
13:54:00 Rein Taaramäe (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
13:55:00 Matthieu Ladagnous (Groupama-FDJ)
13:56:00 Anders Halland Johannessen (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
13:57:00 Vegard Stake Laengen (UAE Team Emirates)
13:58:00 Manuele Boaro (Astana Qazaqstan)
13:59:00 Leon Heinschke (Team DSM)
14:00:00 Kevin Ledanois (Team Arkea-Samsic)
14:01:00 Nans Peters (AG2R Citroen Team)
14:02:00 Ivo Oliveira (UAE Team Emirates)
14:03:00 Fabien Grellier (TotalEnergies)
14:04:00 Kamil Gradek (Bahrain Victorious)
14:05:00 Reuben Thompson (Groupama-FDJ)
14:06:00 Jonathan Castroviejo (Ineos Grenadiers)
14:07:00 Luke Durbridge (Team Jayco Alula)
14:08:00 Elmar Reinders (Team Jayco Alula)
14:09:00 Owain Doull (EF Education-Easypost)
14:10:00 Matevž Govekar (Bahrain Victorious)
14:11:00 Mathieu Burgaudeau (TotalEnergies)
14:12:00 Patrick Gamper (Bora-Hansgrohe)
14:13:00 Lukasz Owsian (Team Arkea-Samsic)
14:14:00 Dylan Groenewegen (Team Jayco Alula)
14:15:00 Tom Paquot (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
14:16:00 Pierre luc Perichon (Cofidis)
14:17:00 Andrea Piccolo (EF Education-Easypost)
14:18:00 Lorenzo Milesi (Team DSM)
14:19:00 Franck Bonnamour (AG2R Citroen Team)
14:20:00 Jimmy Janssens (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
14:21:00 Madis Mihkels (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
14:22:00 Fabio van den Bossche (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
14:23:00 Milan Menten (Lotto Dstny)
14:24:00 Benjamin Thomas (Cofidis)
14:25:00 Fredrik Dversnes (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
14:26:00 Olivier le Gac (Groupama-FDJ)
14:27:00 Jonas Gregaard Wilsly (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
14:28:00 Lawson Craddock (Team Jayco Alula)
14:29:00 Joe Dombrowski (Astana Qazaqstan)
14:30:00 Sam Bennett (Bora-Hansgrohe)
14:31:00 Jon Aberasturi Izaga (Trek-Segafredo)
14:32:00 Matteo Vercher (TotalEnergies)
14:33:00 Mauri Vansevenant (Soudal Quick-Step)
14:34:00 Nelson Oliveira (Movistar Team)
14:35:00 Jorge Arcas (Movistar Team)
14:36:00 Rémi Cavagna (Soudal Quick-Step)
14:37:00 Anthon Charmig (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
14:38:00 Anthony Perez (Cofidis)
14:39:00 Eddy Fine (Cofidis)
14:40:00 Geoffrey Bouchard (AG2R Citroen Team)
14:41:00 Eduardo Sepulveda (Lotto Dstny)
14:42:00 Kenny Elissonde (Trek-Segafredo)
14:43:00 Nathan van Hooydonck (Jumbo-Visma)
14:44:00 Andrey Amador (EF Education-Easypost)
14:45:00 Ethan Vernon (Soudal Quick-Step)
14:46:00 Brent van Moer (Lotto Dstny)
14:47:00 Gianmarco Garofoli (Astana Qazaqstan)
14:48:00 Tsgabu Grmay (Team Jayco Alula)
14:49:00 Antonio Pedrero (Movistar Team)
14:50:00 Andrea Bagioli (Soudal Quick-Step)
14:51:00 Tiesj Benoot (Jumbo-Visma)
14:52:00 Tobias Bayer (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
14:53:00 Harrison Sweeny (Lotto Dstny)
14:54:00 Natnael Tesfatsion (Trek-Segafredo)
14:55:00 Antonio Nibali (Astana Qazaqstan)
14:56:00 Martin Urianstad Bugge (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
14:57:00 Anthony Delaplace (Team Arkea-Samsic)
14:58:00 James Shaw (EF Education-Easypost)
14:59:00 Nils Politt (Bora-Hansgrohe)
15:00:00 Valentin Madouas (Groupama-FDJ)
15:01:00 Dorian Godon (AG2R Citroen Team)
15:02:00 Georg Zimmermann (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
15:03:00 Lenny Martinez (Groupama-FDJ)
15:04:00 Juan Pedro Lopez (Trek-Segafredo)
15:05:00 Matteo Trentin (UAE Team Emirates)
15:06:00 Florian Senechal (Soudal Quick-Step)
15:07:00 Danny van Poppel (Bora-Hansgrohe)
15:08:00 Hermann Pernsteiner (Bahrain Victorious)
15:09:00 Attila Valter (Jumbo-Visma)
15:10:00 Jason Osborne (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
15:11:00 Nicola Conci (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
15:12:00 Edoardo Zambanini (Bahrain Victorious)
15:13:00 Rafal Majka (UAE Team Emirates)
15:14:00 Rudy Porter (Team Jayco Alula)
15:15:00 Oliver Naesen (AG2R Citroen Team)
15:16:00 David de la Cruz (Astana Qazaqstan)
15:17:00 Louis Meintjes (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
15:18:00 Mikel Landa (Bahrain Victorious)
15:19:00 Alexis Vuillermoz (TotalEnergies)
15:20:00 Emanuel Buchmann (Bora-Hansgrohe)
15:21:00 Omar Fraile (Ineos Grenadiers)
15:22:00 Enric Mas (Movistar Team)
15:23:00 Gregor Mühlberger (Movistar Team)
15:24:00 Harrison Wood (Cofidis)
15:25:00 Simon Guglielmi (Team Arkea-Samsic)
15:26:00 Daniel Martinez (Ineos Grenadiers)
15:27:00 Matteo Jorgenson (Movistar Team)
15:28:00 Greg Van Avermaet (AG2R Citroen Team)
15:29:00 Kévin Geniets (Groupama-FDJ)
15:30:00 Sean Quinn (EF Education-Easypost)
15:31:00 David Gaudu (Groupama-FDJ)
15:32:00 Jai Hindley (Bora-Hansgrohe)
15:33:00 Jack Haig (Bahrain Victorious)
15:34:00 Markus Hoelgaard (Trek-Segafredo)
15:35:00 Torstein Træen (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
15:36:00 Max Poole (Team DSM)
15:37:00 Mikkel Bjerg (UAE Team Emirates)
15:38:00 Chris Harper (Team Jayco Alula)
15:39:00 Giulio Ciccone (Trek-Segafredo)
15:40:00 Oscar Onley (Team DSM)
15:41:00 Adam Yates (UAE Team Emirates)
15:42:00 Esteban Chaves (EF Education-Easypost)
15:43:00 Ben O'Connor (AG2R Citroen Team)
15:44:00 Robert Stannard (Alpecin-Deceuninck)
15:45:00 Jonas Vingegaard (Jumbo-Visma)
15:46:00 Carlos Rodriguez (Ineos Grenadiers)
15:47:00 Guillaume Martin (Cofidis)
15:48:00 Clément Champoussin (Team Arkea-Samsic)
15:49:00 Egan Bernal (Ineos Grenadiers)
15:50:00 Felix Grossschartner (UAE Team Emirates)
15:51:00 Axel Zingle (Cofidis)
15:52:00 Tobias Halland Johannessen (Uno-X Pro Cycling Team)
15:53:00 Edvald Boasson-Hagen (TotalEnergies)
15:54:00 Marco Brenner (Team DSM)
15:55:00 Fred Wright (Bahrain Victorious)
15:56:00 Maxim van Gils (Lotto Dstny)
15:57:00 Rune Herregodts (Intermarché-Circus-Wanty)
15:58:00 Richard Carapaz (EF Education-Easypost)
15:59:00 Julian Alaphilippe (Soudal Quick-Step)
16:00:00 Christophe Laporte (Jumbo-Visma)

You been up half the night typing that lot up