Critérium du Dauphiné 2025, June 8 - 15

[Extinction]

Yeah, the mountains will give us a definite answer if his bad form is prolonged or if it was just one day. Maybe experimenting with his position was some factor today.

He was fourth amongst the best in the business preparing for the Tour. We're so used to see him always ahead, but I would not say his form is bad. He just came up against 3 better today.

 

[Monsi]

Don't we have climbing times? Have they not been published?

Don't think there's any tracking for that due to the position of the time check.

 

[Unchained]

D

You're kidding of course, but actually him finishing behind Jorgenson is more worrying than behind Evenepoel or Vingegaard. He just looks quite flat. Vingo on the other hand looks like he is in top shape already.

Let's wait for the mountains, but so far it looks like Pogi can definitely be beaten... in this Dauphiné, that is.

Don't take the bait!!
3 days ago Pogacar rained with praise from everyone about his sprinting ability!! Hundreds if not thousands of posts here about UAE, specifically Pogacar ruining racing because of dominance and now, bipolar swing with a few saying he is washed up because of a TT loss!
Pog or Pog fans should take away zero serious from him getting an as$kicking, it happens, he still kept good pace, had decent split times..
And jerseys.. He lost to the rainbow in TT discipline, Remco has shown little to threaten what Pogacar can do on the road. Jonas will show if long layoff is insignificant when climbing starts. Remco doing an interview in French, maybe another loss, troubling sign for Pogacar!!
Remco really looks and sounds like he is balance. Impressive.
Visma getting lots of good indicators!!

 

[broppo]

The odds for the tdf have changed tremendously after this tt. Pogacar is x1.83 and Vingegard is 2.2 now. Yesterday Pogacar was x1.5 and Vingegard x2.75 A few months ago Pogacar was 1.36 and Vingegard x4

 

[Tim Cahill]

That is a marked improvement for Dunbar too, if he comes out of the traps flying at Tour then O'Connor best be on his game or we could see a 2023 Gall dual-leadership style headloss again.

 

[Extinction]

Don't think there's any tracking for that due to the position of the time check.

Yea, I suppose, but it's strange with all the breakdown stats we get today.

 

[Tim Cahill]

What is he doing, it's a bit out of order going over and messing with the bike no?

 

[Extinction]

D

Don't take the bait!!
3 days ago Pogacar rained with praise from everyone about his sprinting ability!! Hundreds if not thousands of posts here about UAE, specifically Pogacar ruining racing because of dominance and now, bipolar swing with a few saying he is washed up because of a TT loss!
Pog or Pog fans should take away zero serious from him getting an as$kicking, it happens, he still kept good pace, had decent split times..
And jerseys.. He lost to the rainbow in TT discipline, Remco has shown little to threaten what Pogacar can do on the road. Jonas will show if long layoff is insignificant when climbing starts. Remco doing an interview in French, maybe another loss, troubling sign for Pogacar!!
Remco really looks and sounds like he is balance. Impressive.
Visma getting lots of good indicators!!

Settle down, Francis. Pog did exactly the same thing sprinting like a madman to put time into Vingo in the 2022 Tour, only to be stomped in the end.

 

[Cycling111]

He was fourth amongst the best in the business preparing for the Tour. We're so used to see him always ahead, but I would not say his form is bad. He just came up against 3 better today.

Being worse than Jorgenson and only 8 seconds better than Lipowitz for Pogacar is to be bad.

Jorgenson had never beaten Pogacar at anything.

 

[nightowl]

I definitely don't see myself as part of the 'sky is falling' crowd, but he looked sluggish and uncomfortable on his bike today, perhaps just an off day? But if he is indeed struggling with his position, that's not just an explanation for today, it's a whole new variable for the Tour as well. I don't think there is any universe in which a rider wants to be struggling with TT position 3+ weeks out; I understand there are pretty minimal TT k's but it's just another thing he can't afford if Jonas is at 100%.

Unless I’ve completely misremembered this I believe he’s done this before - 2021 Slovenian National ITT he was trying a new position , and lost to Tratnik and Polanc. Then 2 weeks later he destroyed everyone on stage 5 using his old position.

 

[Unchained]

Pogi looked uncomfortable on the bike. He did change his position a couple years ago and it was exactly like today. Why change something when it’s working, and it didn’t work when he tried to change before.

Strong win from Remco. Solid from Vingo. Curious how long he can hold his yellow jersey in the mountains, will be tough.

I felt this the whole ride he looked jerky and cadence was too high and maybe he went out too fast. Certainly didn't look fluid on the bike. Pogacar can race a bit more calm without the jersey. Excellent showing by Romeo and Lipowitz will put more pressure on Remco if he wants to win.. Nobody knows? Remco has said in interviews that all his climbing criteria are best ever.. We will wait and see.

 

[Oldman]

Never known a TT to be described as a strategic day. It is certainly a critical day.

Remco needs to deliver big. Pog and Vingegaard need to attack that 1.8km @8.7% lump in the middle.

Remco delivered big. He nuked that hill and had amazing technique in doing it. Jonas was thrashing that section and may have lost his biggest chunk on what would be "his" territory. Matteo definitely set the tone for JV, today.
As for strategic: Pogacar had the advantage of following and, depending on what UAE would want to do for overall ambitions; he could ship some time and leave questions unanswered about Tour prospects. IMO he/UAE didn't plan on dumping that much time. He looked ragged on the hill compared to Remco.

 

[Extinction]

Being worse than Jorgenson and only 8 seconds better than Lipowitz for Pogacar is to be bad.

Jorgenson had never beaten Pogacar at anything.

But this just says how good Jorgenson's form is, who is on a team that can maximize his preparation. If anything, they know what they are doing in preparing for a Tour.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What is he doing, it's a bit of order going over and messing with the bike no?

I've heard he's planning to become a UCI bike inspector after he retires, so he'll need seconds of practice before taking the exam.

 

[Cycling111]

According to this, Pogacar was losing 27 seconds to Vingegaard before the climb.
If this is true, he didn't lose much on the climb.

It's very difficult to assess with screenshots because the margin of error can be several seconds.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932829654022230018

View: https://x.com/MaticKlaric/status/1932829654022230018

 

[Netserk]

What is he doing, it's a bit out of order going over and messing with the bike no?

Pogi-boy needs to look further down and check his legs.

 

[Cycling111]

But this just says how good Jorgenson's form is, who is on a team that can maximize his preparation. If anything, they know what they are doing in preparing for a Tour.

How good Jorgenson is, how good Lipowitz is...

If Pogacar ends up closer to Lipowitz than to Vingegaard, it means Pogacar hasn't been good. Regardless of how good the rest have been.

 

[RedheadDane]

Jorgenson had never beaten Pogacar at anything.

That's not true!
Jorgenson is a certified redhead (you can go check his thread, the certification is there... somewhere...) Pogacar isn't!

 

[dobrien]

Unless I’ve completely misremembered this I believe he’s done this before - 2021 Slovenian National ITT he was trying a new position , and lost to Tratnik and Polanc. Then 2 weeks later he destroyed everyone on stage 5 using his old position.

Great point, if he's just experimenting it's one thing, tbd it seems.

 

[Extinction]

How good Jorgenson is, how good Lipowitz is...

If Pogacar ends up closer to Lipowitz than to Vingegaard, it means Pogacar hasn't been good. Regardless of how good the rest have been.

Nah, we know Lipowitz is flying and has a mean TT in his legs. And this is a different Vingegaard, who, could go nuklear in the mountains, like 2 years ago.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

This board right now, man,

 

[Bolder]

Vingegaard denying this in the post race interview.

Hm, really? Looked like he was beating an egg in the last km or so.

 

[dobrien]

Remco has said in interviews that all his climbing criteria are best ever.. We will wait and see.

I think I posted yesterday that Tour hype would reach stratospheric levels if Jonas won today? Well that's NOTHING compared to what it will be like if Remco can follow in the mountains this weekend!

 

[Oldman]

But this just says how good Jorgenson's form is, who is on a team that can maximize his preparation. If anything, they know what they are doing in preparing for a Tour.

And we don't know what Pogacar was planning to do today. He looked good on the flats but not so much on the hill. He didn't seem to lose much on the run in.
It would have been very interesting to hear the conversation from the follow car.

 

[red_flanders]

I have absolutely zero concern that Pogi won't be on top form come July.