Critérium du Dauphiné 2025, June 8 - 15

[fenns]

I was referring to the general trend towards shorter stages and TTs. But, then again, I've been following cycling since 1982.

Different tastes. I don't like to see long time trials. For me one of things that mitigated against Indurain's Tours as a spectacle was how he would take minutes in TTs then mark his GC rivals for the rest of the race - I don't think he ever won a stage in yellow that wasn't a TT.

Recent Dauphins have much more climbing than they did in the 80s and 90s. For me it's the climbing and other adverse conditions (ramps, cobbles, etc) that makes races interesting. I don't get all the "route's a joke" posts we often see on here.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Different tastes. I don't like to see long time trials. For me one of things that mitigated against Indurain's Tours as a spectacle was how he would take minutes in TTs then mark his GC rivals for the rest of the race - I don't think he ever won a stage in yellow that wasn't a TT.

Recent Dauphins have much more climbing than they did in the 80s and 90s. For me it's the climbing and other adverse conditions (ramps, cobbles, etc) that makes races interesting. I don't get all the "route's a joke" posts we often see on here.

I'm trying to remember if he ever won a MTF (GTs) in his life. At least in the Tour, he didn't.

 

[fenns]

I'm trying to remember if he ever won a MTF (GTs) in his life. At least in the Tour, he didn't.

He won mountain stages in Tours 89 and 90 - dropping Greg LeMond for the finish at Luz Ardiden 1990 (might have won the GC if he hadn't been working for Delgado).

Indurain was clearly capable of winning in the mountains but found he didn't need to in order to win the GC - such was his dominance in long TTs. For me that was the frustration of watching his Tour wins.

 

[Cycling111]

The route is poor due to its short mileage.

Paul Seixas will be there. He could do really well because the mileage is for Junior races 😅

 

[fenns]

The route is poor due to its short mileage.

Paul Seixas will be there. He could do really well because the mileage is for Junior races 😅

The mileage is the same as previous CDs

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I'm trying to remember if he ever won a MTF (GTs) in his life. At least in the Tour, he didn't.

It has to be said though, that he gifted away many wins. It's pretty clear when you watch old racing footage. And I mean not by letting someone go, but by outright not competing on the dash to the line. Meanwhile he did outblimb most of his opponents regularly when it counted and paced a *** load of the climbs while doing so.

 

[AupaPyama]

Another question: do you like it that the 3 big Tour favorites are racing Dauphine together? We already get a week with those 3 before the 3 weeks of the Tour. Part of the charme, I think, was dat the main favorites didnt see each other in a race 1 or 2 month for the Tour so the differences are not in sight and the Tour is an unique spectacle. After 1,5 month of Pogacar/Vingegaard/Evenepoel I think I get bored out.

 

[AmRacer]

Maybe Mattias Skjelmose can surprise

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Another question: do you like it that the 3 big Tour favorites are racing Dauphine together? We already get a week with those 3 before the 3 weeks of the Tour. Part of the charme, I think, was dat the main favorites didnt see each other in a race 1 or 2 month for the Tour so the differences are not in sight and the Tour is an unique spectacle. After 1,5 month of Pogacar/Vingegaard/Evenepoel I think I get bored out.

Depends greatly on how the 3 show up doesn't it? The difference between Dauphine Remco and Tour Remco last year was huge for example.
And imagine if they are competitive, all three of them, for 4 weeks. We almost never get to see that anyway, they don't race each other much. Could make for exciting racing.
The main threat to excitement (other than for Pocagar fans) seems to me a 4 week walkt in the park for Pogi, not that they are all present.
I'm for one are looking forward to getting to have a look at their form and how they'll all approach the race.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He won mountain stages in Tours 89 and 90 - dropping Greg LeMond for the finish at Luz Ardiden 1990 (might have won the GC if he hadn't been working for Delgado).

Indurain was clearly capable of winning in the mountains but found he didn't need to in order to win the GC - such was his dominance in long TTs. For me that was the frustration of watching his Tour wins.

I was clearly thinking about his Tour wins. Thanks to remember me he won before his Tour wins (I didn't follow cycling in the early 90s).

 

[Peyroteo94]

It has to be said though, that he gifted away many wins. It's pretty clear when you watch old racing footage. And I mean not by letting someone go, but by outright not competing on the dash to the line. Meanwhile he did outblimb most of his opponents regularly when it counted and paced a *** load of the climbs while doing so.

I know that. It's clearly he didn't win because he didn't care.

 

[YavorD]

Another question: do you like it that the 3 big Tour favorites are racing Dauphine together? We already get a week with those 3 before the 3 weeks of the Tour. Part of the charme, I think, was dat the main favorites didnt see each other in a race 1 or 2 month for the Tour so the differences are not in sight and the Tour is an unique spectacle. After 1,5 month of Pogacar/Vingegaard/Evenepoel I think I get bored out.

Well, if they didn't meet at CD, we would probably have extremely boring and predictable stage racing in June.
Pogacar would have possibly been in Slovenia...
Vingegaard (under normal circumstances) would destroy Dauphiné.
And in Switzerland.... does Almeida even have competition?

At least with Pogacar and Vingegaard we should see a nice battle and although Pogacar should be the clear favourite for Dauphiné (in my book if Pogacar doesn't beat Vingegaard here, Ving would be a massive favourite for the Tour), we should see some good racing and plenty to talk about before the Tour.

 

[AmRacer]

Depends greatly on how the 3 show up doesn't it? The difference between Dauphine Remco and Tour Remco last year was huge for example.
And imagine if they are competitive, all three of them, for 4 weeks. We almost never get to see that anyway, they don't race each other much. Could make for exciting racing.
The main threat to excitement (other than for Pocagar fans) seems to me a 4 week walkt in the park for Pogi, not that they are all present.
I'm for one are looking forward to getting to have a look at their form and how they'll all approach the race.

But Remco didn't crash this April, so he should be better prepared for Dauphine

 

[Pozzovivo]

Maybe Mattias Skjelmose can surprise

By finishing top 5?

 

[Pozzovivo]

Heat wave hitting Europe. Dauphine will be a sufferfest.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

But Remco didn't crash this April, so he should be better prepared for Dauphine

Yes. I didn't mean Remco specifically this year, just that it's possible someone will be in a pretty different form than in the Tour. Given that the Tour is backloaded I would not be totally surprised to see subpar showings (measured on their top ability) of some GC riders. But we will see.

 

[AmRacer]

Yes. I didn't mean Remco specifically this year, just that it's possible someone will be in a pretty different form than in the Tour. Given that the Tour is backloaded I would not be totally surprised to see subpar showings (measured on their top ability) of some GC riders. But we will see.

I guess they all will go to altitude camp after Dauphine

 

[danielovichdk2]

My analysis goes like this. I think Visma will try to tire Pog throughout the race. The reason I am speculating this is because even though Pog is a tough mother, his season has already been long. And right under his hood is an engine that has gone full gas for quite a while, and I do not believe for a second that his body is not still tired, at least when they start to go full gas for days on end.

He might be able to win this race, but they strategy for Visma has to be to tire him, so they will leave him as tired as possible yet again. We have to remember that Jonas comes in fresher than most, so I do not think it be so hard for him.

If I was Gianetti I would not allow Pog to win the race, but use it as a training step for the Tour, which I believe he will have very chance of winning, hence what I just laid out, otherwise.

Let's see.

 

[Berniece]

My analysis goes like this. I think Visma will try to tire Pog throughout the race. The reason I am speculating this is because even though Pog is a tough mother, his season has already been long. And right under his hood is an engine that has gone full gas for quite a while, and I do not believe for a second that his body is not still tired, at least when they start to go full gas for days on end.

He might be able to win this race, but they strategy for Visma has to be to tire him, so they will leave him as tired as possible yet again. We have to remember that Jonas comes in fresher than most, so I do not think it be so hard for him.

With the idea to already tire Pogacar a bit for the TDF? Not sure that’s possible, more than enough time in between

 

[Lequack]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI1qr8RMcbk

 

[Savant12]

Pog will want to win because that's how he races.

 

[Netserk]

My analysis goes like this. I think Visma will try to tire Pog throughout the race. The reason I am speculating this is because even though Pog is a tough mother, his season has already been long. And right under his hood is an engine that has gone full gas for quite a while, and I do not believe for a second that his body is not still tired, at least when they start to go full gas for days on end.

He might be able to win this race, but they strategy for Visma has to be to tire him, so they will leave him as tired as possible yet again. We have to remember that Jonas comes in fresher than most, so I do not think it be so hard for him.

If I was Gianetti I would not allow Pog to win the race, but use it as a training step for the Tour, which I believe he will have very chance of winning, hence what I just laid out, otherwise.

Let's see.

Only possible on a single, short stage. Won't affect July.

 

[Gratemans]

My analysis goes like this. I think Visma will try to tire Pog throughout the race. The reason I am speculating this is because even though Pog is a tough mother, his season has already been long. And right under his hood is an engine that has gone full gas for quite a while, and I do not believe for a second that his body is not still tired, at least when they start to go full gas for days on end.

Yeah.. I didn't take Pedersen in my Giro-game because I was thinking the same thing. That didn't really work out for me obviously
Seriously though, Pogacar has been able to rest for quite a bit and the human body, especially a pro-athletes one is remarkably good at recovery. I believe he'll be in 100% top-shape when the Tour starts.

 

[Earns1985]

Provisional startlist of the Tour de Suisse is out:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-suisse/2025/startlist/startlist
As there is an overlap with the Dauphine, one can assume, wich riders will not participate in the Dauphine. (Gall for example)

 

[Extinction]

Different tastes. I don't like to see long time trials. For me one of things that mitigated against Indurain's Tours as a spectacle was how he would take minutes in TTs then mark his GC rivals for the rest of the race - I don't think he ever won a stage in yellow that wasn't a TT.

Recent Dauphins have much more climbing than they did in the 80s and 90s. For me it's the climbing and other adverse conditions (ramps, cobbles, etc) that makes races interesting. I don't get all the "route's a joke" posts we often see on here.

And before there was Lemond, Fignon, Hinault, who could all TT on long courses. The climbers had to make up ground, thus attack, so the races were very interesting. The point is if you take the attrition aspect out, then all you have are junior races where short duration power counts. Up to 200 km the pros are, more or less, even, but after 230-250 km the really big engines come to the fore. It has nothing to do with taste, but physiology.