Critérium du Dauphiné 2025, June 8 - 15

[CyclistAbi]

No way Remco can beat Pogačar and I seriously doubt he will beat Vingegaard, there are still plenty of mountains for them to drop him.

In fact, I am not even sure he will beat them in the TT given the steep climb in the middle of it.

Yeah, the current narrative is it's just not possible in any way shape or form. Let's see.

 

[woodburn]

He won mountain stages in Tours 89 and 90 - dropping Greg LeMond for the finish at Luz Ardiden 1990 (might have won the GC if he hadn't been working for Delgado).

Indurain was clearly capable of winning in the mountains but found he didn't need to in order to win the GC - such was his dominance in long TTs. For me that was the frustration of watching his Tour wins.

Think it is unlikely he'd have won the Tour that year. Have to remember that LeMond was mostly neutered in the Alps from Pensec taking 10 minutes early in the race. He just followed wheels on the Alpe while Indurain finished 12 minutes behind. There wasn't much different in the time trials between the two. Indurain sat on LeMond most of the way up Luz Ardiden since LeMond needed time for overall and he was riding for stage.

 

[Oldman]

It would IMHO be rather good if Remco to beat one of the Pogi or Jonas, as that would change the narrative massively. Something like:

• Alien 1
• Remco
• Alien 2

Would do for me. Or do you feel alien 2 would be too much o fended for it and better to say:

• Alien
• Remo
• Alien

Lets see if such penetration is to happen.

Which one is the Penetrator? My guess it would be Remo.....

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Oldma

There is only one way to get into the duopoly bubble.

 

[Escarabajo]

I want to be excited about this race but I am not. I see why some people get demotivated with Pogacar. If Vingegaard and Remco don't perform nearly close to Pogacar the Tour is going to be very boring.

Having said that, I really don't have high hopes for Vingegaard and Remco for the amount of time that they have raced this year. I am old school, so racing is important. Some people say that in training camps they can recreate racing conditions if not worse. It is very hard to digest that.

We'll see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

A rather youngsters orientated team for Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe, will be interesting to see on how they tackle it, especially as some people started to suggest this should be their approach for the Tour too. At Visma i will be mostly keeping an eye on Sepp, to see if any glance of former glory to emerge.

 

[AupaPyama]

A rather youngsters orientated team for Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe, will be interesting to see on how they tackle it, especially as some people started to suggest this should be their approach for the Tour too. At Visma i will be mostly keeping an eye on Sepp, to see if any glance of former glory to emerge.

I hope so! If I was RB director I would bring Lipowitz for GC with Van Gils/FFB for the hilly stages; probably no sprinter. But Denk would choose for Roglic, Vlasov, Martinez.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I hope so! If I was RB director I would bring Lipowitz for GC with Van Gils/FFB for the hilly stages; probably no sprinter. But Denk would choose for Roglic, Vlasov, Martinez.

Yeah exactly, there are even articles written in serious news papers demanding that. So lets see if the youngsters are ready for it.

 

[Potomac]

Yeah exactly, there are even articles written in serious news papers demanding that. So lets see if the youngsters are ready for it.

Very amusing,,,,,yes it "serious news papers" that are authoritative on cycling.

 

[Red Rick]

Can he win the whole thing? We should ask Contador.

No.

Mathieu is preparing to ride around like a complete ghost for 3 weeks.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Will Jorgenson fully work for Jonas or they plan to play with this card?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Considering this is ramping up to be a short and explosive mini Tour edition i must say i am a bit sceptical.

 

[Boehmand]

• Alien
• Remo
• Alien

I feel some "Where's Remo?" puns coming on, when we get to the big mountain stages at the Tour.

 

[Boehmand]

Will Jorgenson fully work for Jonas or they plan to play with this card?

I could see Jorgenson going for GC at Dauphine - it would give Vingegaard cover to just ease back into race form after a much too long break.

 

[Boehmand]

Ignoring the GC discussion as we all know Pog will win, what are we thinking for stage 1,2,3 and 5.

Milan is by far the fastest sprinter here so surely other teams are going to be looking to drop him on those hills but Lidl Trek are fully built around him and he can climb reasonably well.

Are we thinking these all go as sprints for Milan or is it more a Cort, MvdP set of stages and we'll get those guys and maybe even Pog sprinting out of small groups.

I've got Cort for 1 and 3 and Milan for 2 and 5 - Cort is horrible on positioning, so on anything that ends in a bunch sprint it will be sheer luck if he can sprint for the win

I would LOVE to see them in a break together BTW.

The joker is MvdP, espcially without Philipsen there and us not knowing what shape he is in.

For the betting people:

I'd bet on Bardet hitting the break on stage 3, in his last ever race, starting in his home town - might even be worth it to bet on him winning the stage - he will fight like crazy for it

 

[search]

the stage profiles say for Paris-Nice 22 it was 0.8 km at 7%. Tomorrow's ramp is 0.6km at 8.8% - maybe different climbs?

they take the same road, the 2022 average probably just includes some flatter parts in the end.

 

[Pantani_lives]

This will be a battle between the Big Three: Lenny Martinez, Guillaume Martin and Romain Bardet.

 

[Berniece]

Will Jorgenson fully work for Jonas or they plan to play with this card?

If they have the opportunity, they’ll try to play that card

 

[pelotonIQ]

Will Jorgenson fully work for Jonas or they plan to play with this card?

That tactic doesn't work because Jorgenson isn't strong enough to ride with Pogacar's attacks. The only tactic Visma can try to pull off is their satellite rider play.

 

[altigraphs]

Critérium du Dauphiné 2025 | Stage 1: Domérat - Montluçon​

🏷️ Hilly
📏 Distance: 195 km
📈 Ascent: 2,586 m
⛰️ Climbs: 4

🔗 Map and profile: https://www.altigraphs.com/en/criterium-du-dauphine-2025/stage-1-stage-1

⛰️ Côte de Sainte-Thérence​

🏷️ Category 4
📏 Distance: 2.52 km
📈 Ascent: 120 m
📐 Average gradient: 4.79 %

🔗 Map and profile: https://www.altigraphs.com/en/climb-profile/805g9q/cote-de-sainte-therence

⛰️ Côte d'Argenty​

🏷️ Category 4
📏 Distance: 3.63 km
📈 Ascent: 147 m
📐 Average gradient: 4.06 %

🔗 Map and profile: https://www.altigraphs.com/en/climb-profile/1k10ye/cote-d-argenty

⛰️ Côte de Buffon​

🏷️ Category 5
📏 Distance: 0.97 km
📈 Ascent: 64 m
📐 Average gradient: 6.65 %

🔗 Map and profile: https://www.altigraphs.com/en/climb-profile/tim0b1/cote-de-buffon

⛰️ Côte de Domérat​

🏷️ Category 5
📏 Distance: 1.99 km
📈 Ascent: 74 m
📐 Average gradient: 3.76 %

🔗 Map and profile: https://www.altigraphs.com/en/climb-profile/48bbjh/cote-de-domerat

 

[tobydawq]

Which one is the Penetrator? My guess it would be Remo.....

I had a student at an exam a couple of days ago who kept saying penetrations when he should have said permutations. He didn't get the best grade.

 

[memyselfandI]

Didn't find start list quality number for this in PCS pages; I'm pretty sure I've seen it somewhere there, at least for previous editions....Anyone?

 

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931623377053130838

View: https://x.com/soudalquickstep/status/1931623377053130838

 

[Heston]

No TV coverage for the first 3 hours? Looks like we will only get the last 50-60 km.

 

[Rackham]

After a huge battle to get into the early break, Pierre and Paul showed their superiority and now have over two minutes on a peloton that just can't keep up.

Expect some OTL's later today.

No TV coverage for the first 3 hours? Looks like we will only get the last 50-60 km.

Welcome to France.

The Dauphiné has been this way since forever.