Critérium du Dauphiné 2025, June 8 - 15

[AnotherArmChair]

Fortunately we have a rider like Pogačar to honour the sport in its fullest.

Pluuuuussssseeeee you think every rider doesn't honour the sport ? Being the strongest has nothing to do with honour. I'd just like to know what happened in the winter of 2023 ?

 

[James M]

If you want to see Pog going all out I suggest you rewatch the Pla d'Adet and Plateau de Beille climbs. His grinding and his expressions on the finish line and then compare with today.

I found this climb hillarious to watch, he literally had to hold himself back from pushing, while the others were completely spent and dead. He was smiling and looked like he had to actively slow down his speed even several times..It's a smart, don't get me wrong to not give away anything and ride conservatively at the same time, but at the same time, it's borderline hilarious to watch the difference.

His body language made it seem like he was just on a casual cafe ride oppose to them. Its night and day in reality to everyone else, it is what it is and lets be real who woulda thought, its not like he doesnt drop every powerhouse in the world on flat cobbles in Robauix now for fun(besides MvdP) and several more things..Its yeah own league nothing else in reality, abselutely no surprise.

 

[snipeheem]

Pluuuuussssseeeee you think every rider doesn't honour the sport ? Being the strongest has nothing to do with honour. I'd just like to know what happened in the winter of 2023 ?

Javier Sola

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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So far (with one exception) I have only deleted posts or part of them, but if you have had anything above deleted, do not be surprised if suspensions follow.

Civlity is compulsory

 

[dobrien]

I understand it for Vingegaard. Remco should have gone and just won Suisse though. Avoid these guys and a favourable route for him

Agree. It's almost worse he won the TT here; briefly soar to great heights only to be swatted down like a fly; this is a pretty big psychological blow to absorb regardless of how much his crash might have affected him.

I'd rather see him stage hunt in the Tour than do this.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Gotta exit this thread alive while I can

I've made a thread for the Tour de Suisse if you're in need for some respite. True, it's hard to beat the star power of the Dauphine, but I'm sure the scenery will be just to die for and Nairo is slated to ride, so it's all good!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogacar rode the last climb in 39'23'' which gives about 1700 m/h of VAM on this moderately steep climb (6.8%). Good but not thermonuclear.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933897460776386628

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1933897460776386628?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

 

[Unchained]

As pointed out Rodriguez showed up to a degree, same w Mas, both because of brutality of today went way up in GC.
Tulett has arrived. Kuss did some work, paid at the end w @6+ minutes.
French super model Bardet, not only showing he knows how to race his bike had open eyes and open ears, smiling, waving and saying thanks to well wishers as he passed, classy countryman and cyclist.
Big challenges ahead for Remco as he puts on a brave face for the media, repeating that nothing is wrong, when something is wrong. Don't know where Jorgenson will fit..he is going OK, not super anything especially threatening, so maybe a stage hunt, but not strong GC contender yet. Lipowitz holding steady. Pogacar just in sit and spin mode riding guys into oblivion. Jonas saying he couldn't respond to Pogacar 's attack, when in reality, he was up out of the saddle just trying to keep his wheel much of last @20k..
* and dietary note..if steak and or potatoes caused criminal behavior, I would have been in prison since early childhood.. I know for a fact that BMX bikes are known to promote delinquency and petty crime*

 

[Hugh Januss]

Visma doing their best UAE at the Giro impression with 3 in the top ten and 4 in the top 15 and none in the top one.

 

[Netserk]

Pogacar rode the last climb in 39'23'' which gives about 1700 m/h of VAM on this moderately steep climb (6.8%). Good but not thermonuclear.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933897460776386628

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1933897460776386628?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

What do you think his time could have been if he went all-out? 38'00" - 38'30"? Faster?

 

[Unchained]

I found this climb hillarious to watch, he literally had to hold himself back from pushing, while the others were completely spent and dead. He was smiling and looked like he had to actively slow down his speed even several times..It's a smart, don't get me wrong to not give away anything and ride conservatively at the same time, but at the same time, it's borderline hilarious to watch the difference.

His body language made it seem like he was just on a casual cafe ride oppose to them. Its night and day in reality to everyone else, it is what it is and lets be real who woulda thought, its not like he doesnt drop every powerhouse in the world on flat cobbles in Robauix now for fun(besides MvdP) and several more things..Its yeah own league nothing else in reality, abselutely no surprise.

This is all painfully true. Pogacar had enough in the bank, summoned the car , brought provisions, maybe an ice bag to his teammate on the front going 100 meters effortlessly from front to back with half the guys he passed being on the limit. Combination between class and calculation to wait until @10 to go before rolling off, he obviously could have gone earlier, easily if he wanted to.. He did multiple demoralizing moves, guy is flying..
He had some Johnny Rotten, Christopher Walken hair thing going on post race which was just another surprise!!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/johnny-rotten--377246906268035268/

 

[yaco]

They could still have gained a bunch of time if the group behind was disorganised.

What. Visma had four riders and other teams had multiple riders.

 

[scribers]

This is all painfully true. Pogacar had enough in the bank, summoned the car , brought provisions, maybe an ice bag to his teammate on the front going 100 meters effortlessly from front to back with half the guys he passed being on the limit. Combination between class and calculation to wait until @10 to go before rolling off, he obviously could have gone earlier, easily if he wanted to.. He did multiple demoralizing moves, guy is flying..
He had some Johnny Rotten, Christopher Walken hair thing going on post race which was just another surprise!!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/johnny-rotten--377246906268035268/

THE continental

 

[Salvarani]

What. Visma had four riders and other teams had multiple riders.

Yeah, hence they could have tried to get away with any those riders. Make Sivakov close gaps... as he did once and when he was finished Pog.

Hence it was perfect that Sivakov could just pace without any of the other teams, with more numbers, causing any trouble in the valley.

 

[James M]

This is all painfully true. Pogacar had enough in the bank, summoned the car , brought provisions, maybe an ice bag to his teammate on the front going 100 meters effortlessly from front to back with half the guys he passed being on the limit. Combination between class and calculation to wait until @10 to go before rolling off, he obviously could have gone earlier, easily if he wanted to.. He did multiple demoralizing moves, guy is flying..
He had some Johnny Rotten, Christopher Walken hair thing going on post race which was just another surprise!!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/johnny-rotten--377246906268035268/

Yup, the guy wasnt even pushing on the climb, his body langugage compared to yesterday when he was, he was having a coffe ride. I like the guy not to say I wouldn’t want things to be closer for the sake of entertainment. But that doesn’t change reality just because I wish it was. In reality, the difference is just completely over the top—it is what it is. and he is completely mocking them, he just is.

 

[Unchained]

Visma doing their best UAE at the Giro impression with 3 in the top ten and 4 in the top 15 and none in the top one.

What you are saying is 100% true if podium or winning is the only criteria, but if lining up lieutenants for TDF is what this and TdSwiss is about they are doing ok..
Team Visma is coming off as cool, calm and calculating about what will happen, has to take place for successful July. Can't imagine what is being talked about in Bora bus or measured chaos in EF or Soudal circles..

 

[P4rthen0n]

Good climb by Pogacar. He seemed very in control and holding back.
Good effort for Vingegaard, but still not at his TDF level. His TDF 24's numbers were on par with today's Pogacar numbers, which means Vingegaard will probably improve... but so will Pogacar.

Remco is still very far from his peak. Yes, this is only the Dauphiné, but still, something is not right with Remco's form. I hope he improves massively for the Tour.

Lipowitz looking great. He must compete in the Tour at the very least as a co-leader. He should not be just a domestique to Roglic.
Paul Seixas amazing. It'll be a shame if he doesn't ride the Tour. There's a potential top10 for him there.
Enric Mas, C. Rodriguez, Jorgenson, Kuss, Buitrago, Lenny Martinez are not looking good. The'll have to improve massively to have any hope of a top5-10 finish at the Tour.

 

[Unchained]

Yup, the guy wasnt even pushing on the climb, his body langugage compared to yesterday when he was, he was having a coffe ride. I like the guy not to say I wouldn’t want things to be closer for the sake of entertainment. But that doesn’t change reality just because I wish it was. In reality, the difference is just completely over the top—it is what it is. and he is completely mocking them, he just is.

For me without the ability to superimpose rider's body positions over the top of each other, Pogacar looks the most upright, least aerodynamic of current best, Remco is often in traditional perfect position with flat back bent arm , very quiet upper body, most of guys in top GC spots in Dauphine look flatter more aero than Pog but he is just motoring by people flat and inclines.
And I use a narrow Fizik saddle for years and seeing Pogacar sitting on the front @30% of skinny seat is crazy!! It's like he has a semi levitation position on the bike.. I watch him race like a science class!!
And his body language is telling, when he is semi toasted in races he does a little rodeo cowboy, bucking up and down with his torso..doesn't happen often.
I remember how ugly I always thought Roberto Contador, and a couple others were, looking like bicycle was trying to throw them off..Contador rides a bike like he is making an 1980s music video or auditioning for Guns and Roses..

 

[Rackham]

Paul Seixas amazing. It'll be a shame if he doesn't ride the Tour. There's a potential top10 for him there.

They'd be mad to send Seixas to the Tour if he hasn't prepared for it. FDJ did that to Martinez last year and totally torpedoed his season.

 

[dobrien]

They'd be mad to send Seixas to the Tour if he hasn't prepared for it. FDJ did that to Martinez last year and totally torpedoed his season.

+1000. He is French, and he is 18 years old. The last thing he needs is to go to the Tour this year, for a number of reasons.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What do you think his time could have been if he went all-out? 38'00" - 38'30"? Faster?

No idea. Except the last kilometer (when he clearly slowed down and lost like 15 seconds) I don't know how much he was holding back.

 

[Red Rick]

No idea. Except the last kilometer (when he clearly slowed down and lost like 15 seconds) I don't know how much he was holding back.

There's always this emphasis on looking easy which is pretty much a style thing, and looking good after the finish, when it's the whole point of being a top athlete that you recover quickly after an effort.

Also, it conveniently ignores that even training is less effective if you don't at least go near max on such efforts.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

There's always this emphasis on looking easy which is pretty much a style thing, and looking good after the finish, when it's the whole point of being a top athlete that you recover quickly after an effort.

Also, it conveniently ignores that even training is less effective if you don't at least go near max on such efforts.

That's why I don't like speculating too much on this. Instead I prefer analysing actual results: the gap was 14'' and probably could've been around 30'' if Pog didn't ease up at the end. Beyond that it's pure speculation, which may be completely false.

 

[Netserk]

There's always this emphasis on looking easy which is pretty much a style thing, and looking good after the finish, when it's the whole point of being a top athlete that you recover quickly after an effort.

Also, it conveniently ignores that even training is less effective if you don't at least go near max on such efforts.

He was already playing with Vingegaard immediately after his attack.

 

[hayneplane]

Carlos Rodriguez had 100 wheelsuckers today

It was like he was leading a ride with a world tour pro fan club ride.