I think I slightly underrated Aru because of last year's giro, but he's a beast. Hopefully the next start of GT's.
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Hugo Koblet said:Here we have it: The definitive list (based on 2014 and 2015):CheckMyPecs said:Add up all the World Tour points earned by these riders in GTs over the last couple of years. Rank them by the number of points. And presto, you have your list.
1. Contador: 2284 (3/4)
2. Aru: 2194 (4/4)
3. Valverde: 2187 (4/4)
4. Nibali: 1933 (2/3)
5. Froome: 1848 (2/4)
6. Quintana: 1804 (3/4)
7. Rodriguez: 1272 (4/5)
8. Pinot: 864 (2/3)
9. Landa: 795 (4/4)
10. Kruijswijk: 524 (3/4)
11. Van Garderen: 384 (1/3)
12. Porte: 203 (2/3)
Jancouver said:My favorite TLMRP made this list? Hahaha that is funny.
You should put Zubeldia there instead as he has seven TOP 10 and Porte only one.
Cance > TheRest said:In my opinion many of the riders on the list are hard to judge, i.e. Pinot and Kruijswijk. Last year Pinot completely failed at the Tour, while so far he's been looking very good in 16'. Kruijswijk hasn't yet won the Giro and apart from that there's not much to suggest he is in the same league as Nibali, Aru or Landa.
Valverde and Rodriguez are consistent, and you always know what to expect from the two. Yet it seems like both lack that one day where they can just crush their rivals (Aru: Cortals D'Encamps 2015 Vuelta; Nibali: every MTF in 2014 Tour; Landa: Finestre+Aprica 2015 Giro). Rodriguez had those legs in 2012 (and parts of 13'), but not since. Valverde won his Vuelta in 09' mainly through damage controlling and sometimes winning small seconds at the finish, but he never really managed to drop his rivals for good.
Then there is Porte and Van Garderen. I think they've had their chances to proof themselves and only Van Garderen has shown potential in GT's with 2x top 5 in the Tour. However, he doesn't really seem to be capable of anything more than that, regardless of the high thoughts he has of himself. Porte just isn't a GT contender in my opinion. It's really telling that the best result he has in a GT is still that 7th place in the 2010 Giro, where he was handed a 12 minute advantage on the L'Aquila stage.
PremierAndrew said:Jancouver said:My favorite TLMRP made this list? Hahaha that is funny.
You should put Zubeldia there instead as he has seven TOP 10 and Porte only one.
Porte is more likely to win a grand tour than Zubeldia though, as on his day he can compete with the top riders. He's shown no signs of being able to maintain form over 3 weeks, but he has shown serious climbing and time trialling ability several times
At this point in their respective careers, Porte has a way better chance of winning though. The bookies agree. Porte's odds are generally between 15-25 to 1 and Zubeldia's are between 300-1000 to 1.Jancouver said:PremierAndrew said:Jancouver said:My favorite TLMRP made this list? Hahaha that is funny.
You should put Zubeldia there instead as he has seven TOP 10 and Porte only one.
Porte is more likely to win a grand tour than Zubeldia though, as on his day he can compete with the top riders. He's shown no signs of being able to maintain form over 3 weeks, but he has shown serious climbing and time trialling ability several times
Nope, I dont agree.
On a paper, Zubeldia has a better chance of winning a grand tour than Porte. Zubeldia has already shown that he can climb over three weeks with the best. He already has five Top 10 at the TdF with 4th being his best result. On the other hand, Porte's Tour results are 72, 89, 19, 23, 48.
Again, this talk is about three weeks grand tours and Porte has no business here regardless of his success in one-week races. Please don't mix apples with oranges.
Actually, both do. Wouldn't surprise me either about the money.Netserk said:The bookies don't agree. The betters do. Wouldn't surprise me if most of the money on Porte comes from Australia.
yetanothergreenworld said:It's an interesting question, because at the moment there's no GT specialist who is clearly at the peak of his game
Jancouver said:PremierAndrew said:Jancouver said:My favorite TLMRP made this list? Hahaha that is funny.
You should put Zubeldia there instead as he has seven TOP 10 and Porte only one.
Porte is more likely to win a grand tour than Zubeldia though, as on his day he can compete with the top riders. He's shown no signs of being able to maintain form over 3 weeks, but he has shown serious climbing and time trialling ability several times
Nope, I dont agree.
On a paper, Zubeldia has a better chance of winning a grand tour than Porte. Zubeldia has already shown that he can climb over three weeks with the best. He already has five Top 10 at the TdF with 4th being his best result. On the other hand, Porte's Tour results are 72, 89, 19, 23, 48.
Again, this talk is about three weeks grand tours and Porte has no business here regardless of his success in one-week races. Please don't mix apples with oranges.
Billie said:yetanothergreenworld said:It's an interesting question, because at the moment there's no GT specialist who is clearly at the peak of his game
Surely both Froome and Quintana are at their peaks. Or atleast very very close.
PremierAndrew said:Jancouver said:PremierAndrew said:Jancouver said:My favorite TLMRP made this list? Hahaha that is funny.
You should put Zubeldia there instead as he has seven TOP 10 and Porte only one.
Porte is more likely to win a grand tour than Zubeldia though, as on his day he can compete with the top riders. He's shown no signs of being able to maintain form over 3 weeks, but he has shown serious climbing and time trialling ability several times
Nope, I dont agree.
On a paper, Zubeldia has a better chance of winning a grand tour than Porte. Zubeldia has already shown that he can climb over three weeks with the best. He already has five Top 10 at the TdF with 4th being his best result. On the other hand, Porte's Tour results are 72, 89, 19, 23, 48.
Again, this talk is about three weeks grand tours and Porte has no business here regardless of his success in one-week races. Please don't mix apples with oranges.
Nibali has won 3 Grand Tours, including the Tour. Meanwhile Quintana hasn't even finished within a minute of the winner of the TdF. Therefore Quintana has no chance of beating Nibali in the Tour this year if Nibali is there in July.
But neither stands a chance against the 51yo Indurain if he makes a comeback to the peloton in July
Jancouver said:PremierAndrew said:Jancouver said:PremierAndrew said:Jancouver said:My favorite TLMRP made this list? Hahaha that is funny.
You should put Zubeldia there instead as he has seven TOP 10 and Porte only one.
Porte is more likely to win a grand tour than Zubeldia though, as on his day he can compete with the top riders. He's shown no signs of being able to maintain form over 3 weeks, but he has shown serious climbing and time trialling ability several times
Nope, I dont agree.
On a paper, Zubeldia has a better chance of winning a grand tour than Porte. Zubeldia has already shown that he can climb over three weeks with the best. He already has five Top 10 at the TdF with 4th being his best result. On the other hand, Porte's Tour results are 72, 89, 19, 23, 48.
Again, this talk is about three weeks grand tours and Porte has no business here regardless of his success in one-week races. Please don't mix apples with oranges.
Nibali has won 3 Grand Tours, including the Tour. Meanwhile Quintana hasn't even finished within a minute of the winner of the TdF. Therefore Quintana has no chance of beating Nibali in the Tour this year if Nibali is there in July.
But neither stands a chance against the 51yo Indurain if he makes a comeback to the peloton in July
It's funny how all the Richie's fans always start pointing fingers the other way when they run out of reasonable arguments. This talk was about Porte's chances of winning the Tour, or at least being 4th behind the Top dogs.
We all know his chances of being at least 4th are exactly ZERO because a three weeks grand tour is not a Tour of the Corkscrew Hill.
As per bookies, I'm sure they are happy the Aussie fans are dumb enough to donate their cash by betting on this donkey.
PremierAndrew said:I'm not a Porte fan, I was merely pointing out the flaws in your reply. And his chances of being the 4th best may be very low, but they're still higher than the likes of Zubeldia, or even Hesjedal
Incorrect.Jancouver said:We all know his chances of being at least 4th are exactly ZERO because a three weeks grand tour is not a Tour of the Corkscrew Hill.
The Hegelian said:Thing about Porte is that he's ridden exactly one GT fully prepared and as the designated leader. I agree that he's not in the same category as the others, because all have delivered results after 3 weeks.
But - don't think we've really seen enough to say 'impossible.' We've seen him ride well into the 3rd week before, but as a domestique.
The internet hatred and the reality getting a bit conflated methinks.
The Hegelian said:Thing about Porte is that he's ridden exactly one GT fully prepared and as the designated leader. I agree that he's not in the same category as the others, because all have delivered results after 3 weeks.
But - don't think we've really seen enough to say 'impossible.' We've seen him ride well into the 3rd week before, but as a domestique.
The internet hatred and the reality getting a bit conflated methinks.
I'd say one. The rest have all made the podium of a GT before apart from Van Garderen who has two 5ths at the TDF.SeriousSam said:hrotha said:One of these is not like the others.
And by one I mean Porte.
Just one?
Jancouver said:The Hegelian said:Thing about Porte is that he's ridden exactly one GT fully prepared and as the designated leader. I agree that he's not in the same category as the others, because all have delivered results after 3 weeks.
But - don't think we've really seen enough to say 'impossible.' We've seen him ride well into the 3rd week before, but as a domestique.
The internet hatred and the reality getting a bit conflated methinks.
While you are technically correct about the leadership there is still zero chance of Porte winning any gt.
Even if he wins the Dauphine, which is more than possible, he will never win a three weeks long race ...