Cycling is entering a clean chapter, says Phil Liggett

[BradCantona]

Am people believe he attempted suicide because he read something from a bunch of anonymous posters?

Comment from anonymous people on the internet has been enough to drive others to attempt suicide in other contexts, so why not in this case, if it's what he claims?

The bully is always going to be the last to acknowledge there's bullying going on

Then again, if you're a cheat, you deny cheating, but you're being called out for your cheating... it might not be very pleasant to read, but isn't it the very least you'd expect and deserve?

 

[MarkvW]

Comment from anonymous people on the internet has been enough to drive others to attempt suicide in other contexts, so why not in this case, if it's what he claims?

The bully is always going to be the last to acknowledge there's bullying going on

Then again, if you're a cheat, you deny cheating, but you're being called out for your cheating... it might not be very pleasant to read, but isn't it the very least you'd expect and deserve?

Every pro cyclist is either (a) a doper; or (b) a knowing participant in a sport that is saturated with dope. Only someone much dumber than even a professional cyclist could be unaware of that fact.

The real question is: How do we prevent fragile cyclists from harming themselves while maintaining our ability to ridicule participants in a ridiculous pseudo-sport?

 

[neineinei]

Wasn't there a suicide attempt from an athlete a couple of weeks ago citing on line trolls?

He said he'd read on forums people calling him a cheater. Nothing about trolls. Calling someone who is suspended over a positive doping test a cheater hardly qualifies anyone as an online troll. It might still be very depressing to be called a cheater if you are in some sort of existensial crisis feeling your world crashing down on you. (To my knowledge he was just barely mentioned at this forum before the report of the suicide attempt. I don't know what his first language is, probably French, English language forum probably isn't the first place he'd go.)

 

[VeloFidelis]

By the way your weekipage doesn't exist........

Actually... as a matter of fact, it does.

 

[VeloFidelis]

how does a forum that no one reads bully people? Only an echo chamber in here! barely 12 lone voices........

By the way your weekipage doesn't exist........

Actually, as a matter of fact... it does.

It's not surprising you cannot recognize bullying... however, you have correctly diagnosed the echo.

 

[blackcat]

You can't possibly be serious with a comment like this. Is that selective memory... or actual amnesia?

By the way, I edited your Wikipedia page to include your milestone 20,000 post on a cycling website... It was deleted... Hmmmm

mighta been the embroglio over at @ Daily Peloton.

we had Floyd himself, Dave Brower, and even floyd's coach/doc, the guy with the coke bottle glasses, and a few sock puppets, and Will Geoghagen posting then. Or and the good judge Hue.

I thought he was more a lilly rose water pale wan milquetoast hew typ'a justice meself, but thats just me.

 

[Benotti69]

Comment from anonymous people on the internet has been enough to drive others to attempt suicide in other contexts, so why not in this case, if it's what he claims?

The bully is always going to be the last to acknowledge there's bullying going on

Then again, if you're a cheat, you deny cheating, but you're being called out for your cheating... it might not be very pleasant to read, but isn't it the very least you'd expect and deserve?

Actually, as a matter of fact... it does.

It's not surprising you cannot recognize bullying... however, you have correctly diagnosed the echo.

Can Breyne speak or read English?

Maybe he attempted suicide because he doped, got caught and saw the end of career.......but nah that's too easy to blame Breyne.

 

[Franklin]

Can Breyne speak or read English?

Not sure if you are serious? Chances of a young Northwestern European (pro cyclist) not to have some rudimentary capabilities in English are remote (not impossible, but it would be a surprise indeed).

Maybe he attempted suicide because he doped, got caught and saw the end of career.......but nah that's too easy to blame Breyne.

Could be both. But as with MR perhaps we should await the proceedings before we pronounce his guilt?

Maybe it's me, but the shoting from the hip is starting to annoy me, and that this still happens with someone who is going through a dark period is another level of insensitivity.

We have all the time in the world to start to throw stones when we know more... no need to jump to conclusions now.

 

[Benotti69]

Not sure if you are serious? Chances of a young Northwestern European (pro cyclist) not to have some rudimentary capabilities in English are remote (not impossible, but it would be a surprise indeed).

Got any links?

Could be both. But as with MR perhaps we should await the proceedings before we pronounce his guilt?

Maybe it's me, but the shoting from the hip is starting to annoy me, and that this still happens with someone who is going through a dark period is another level of insensitivity.

We have all the time in the world to start to throw stones when we know more... no need to jump to conclusions now.

I posted "maybe", but then again posters like to see something that doesn't exit, who pronounced guilt? But then again point to where the culture to dope was changed.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Can Breyne speak or read English?

Maybe he attempted suicide because he doped, got caught and saw the end of career.......but nah that's too easy to blame Breyne.

I think this a bit much, he's a young dude who made a bad mistake, he hardly deserves the death penalty.

 

[the sceptic]

Can Breyne speak or read English?

Maybe he attempted suicide because he doped, got caught and saw the end of career.......but nah that's too easy to blame Breyne.

Im glad a little suicide attempt isnt going to stop your quest to clean up cycling

 

[VeloFidelis]

Got any links?


I posted "maybe",

Gee... I hope all these people jumping on your sh!t, doesn't make you feel... you know... bullied. Nobody likes that.

 

[Benotti69]

Gee... I hope all these people jumping on your sh!t, doesn't make you feel... you know... bullied. Nobody likes that.

But y'all jumping to the defense of an alleged doper..... y'all love that.

 

[Benotti69]

I think this a bit much, he's a young dude who made a bad mistake, he hardly deserves the death penalty.

Since when did i recommend the death penalty?

Omertists really have not got a clue.

 

[VeloFidelis]

But y'all jumping to the defense of an alleged doper..... y'all love that.

Veritas vos liberabit... Y'all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD50OTR3arY

 

[LaFlorecita]

Got any links?

C'mon Beno

 

[Clausfarre]

Actually, as a matter of fact... it does.

It's not surprising you cannot recognize bullying... however, you have correctly diagnosed the echo.

That would have to be some serious fringe bullying. He wasn't mentioned with a single word on the mighty Clinic. Rogers sure was but Breyne was completely overlooked. So he must have been very unlucky to stumble upon any negativity regarding his person.

Anyway, this discussion probably belongs on the Breyne thread.

 

[VeloFidelis]

That would have to be some serious fringe bullying. He wasn't mentioned with a single word on the mighty Clinic. Rogers sure was but Breyne was completely overlooked. So he must have been very unlucky to stumble upon any negativity regarding his person.

Anyway, this discussion probably belongs on the Breyne thread.

I guess you would be correct if the quote you are using made any reference to Breyne, even in the abstract. However it does not in any way. Please check the original for context.

 

[Clausfarre]

I guess you would be correct if the quote you are using made any reference to Breyne, even in the abstract. However it does not in any way. Please check the original for context.

Checking for original context is for suckers (just kidding, I can't be assured we all have a sense of humour here).

So, your post was in response to Benotti who wrote about bullying and Breyne was referenced on this thread in this bullying discussion (Gumble's post) and followed up a few posts later. See? So read the thread again in context, not just your own musings, and see where this gets a little muddy. It could be assumed, perhaps wrongly, that this was integrated into the debate and that you took that into consideration. And if you indeed were only writing in relation go Landis and/or Hamilton please find it in your just heart to grant me forgiveness for I mean to tread on no one's toes. At least not in this case.

 

[VeloFidelis]

Thanks for the gracious reply. Yes, context can be hard to hold on to in this miasma of passion, intellect, and the lack there of. Forgiveness is duly granted. I of course assumed that if you were intentionally stepping on toes, you would want full credit for doing it accurately and well... now you have it.

Skål!

 

[TheGame]

Unfortunately Harmon this year was replaced by single dumbest and least qualified person for the job they are doing, in the history of mankind.

Well, going on why Harmon was fired, dumb is a step in the right direction.

 

[The Hitch]

Well, going on why Harmon was fired, dumb is a step in the right direction.

He was fired? Why?

The word on the street was he was taking time off.

 

[TheGame]

He was fired? Why?

The word on the street was he was taking time off.

That would depend on which street you are walking down.

I don't think I can say publicly, I think CN legal would have a meltdown.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

That would depend on which street you are walking down.

I don't think I can say publicly, I think CN legal would have a meltdown.

I can only think of one way of testing that theory...

*waits patiently*

 

[jsem94]

LOL. The kids coming through. Yeah.

This generation is going to be on PEDs, the next generation too, and future generations as well. That's the nature of competitive athletic endeavors with paychecks.

You can't be content with being a bottle carrier in a Continental team if you want to make a living cycling.