Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean"

[pmcg76]

Dan Martin has tweeted on the topic, made it fairly clear whatever Neil Martin and Stephen Roche's issue, it doesn't extend to him and Nico. States they're is no fued at all, just that they don't get to see each other much so aren't as close as some people assume.

I am guessing it maybe grate's with the Martin's that Dan is known as S. Roche's nephew even though they never had much contact. I don't think there are any problems between Dan and N.Roche as they seem to get on well.

 

[martinvickers]

I am guessing it maybe grate's with the Martin's that Dan is known as S. Roche's nephew even though they never had much contact. I don't think there are any problems between Dan and N.Roche as they seem to get on well.

I think that about sums it up. I read Kimmo's article and parts of it were brilliant - he can certainly write - but not for the first time, he's in danger of taking out the sins of the father on the son.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think that about sums it up. I read Kimmo's article and parts of it were brilliant - he can certainly write - but not for the first time, he's in danger of taking out the sins of the father on the son.

Still beating that drum? The only mention of Nico was a quote from JV and a further passing remark about how busy and stressful the TdF is.

It was a quite an informative article - I would have assumed Roche Snr would have been more involved, as Dan is regularly referred to as his nephew, but PK put that to bed, and rightly queried if that resulted in any animosity, which the Martins were at pains to point out was not an issue.

 

[martinvickers]

Still beating that drum? The only mention of Nico was a quote from JV and a further passing remark about how busy and stressful the TdF is.

It was a quite an informative article - I would have assumed Roche Snr would have been more involved, as Dan is regularly referred to as his nephew, but PK put that to bed, and rightly queried if that resulted in any animosity, which the Martins were at pains to point out was not an issue.

I think the fact that the Martin's are essentially English, while the Roche's are essentially French, probably has more to do with the lack of contact than anything else.

And yes, i'm banging the drum, because it's legitimate. and you'll find the interview mentions Nico twice, if we're going to get pedantic - one about JV to show Nico's genetic inferiority, the other about the tour to confirm how little contact Nico has with him.

Dan Martin had to come out and tweet today to put suggestions of a feud between the two to rest. So i'm far from alone in seeing it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think the fact that the Martin's are essentially English, while the Roche's are essentially French, probably has more to do with the lack of contact than anything else.

And yes, i'm banging the drum, because it's legitimate. and you'll find the interview mentions Nico twice, if we're going to get pedantic - one about JV to show Nico's genetic inferiority, the other about the tour to confirm how little contact Nico has with him.

Dan Martin had to come out and tweet today to put suggestions of a feud between the two to rest. So i'm far from alone in seeing it.

Dan had to tweet today because there are obviously people like yourself who cannot read too well - due to the fact I stated both of Nicos mentions from the article.

 

[martinvickers]

Dan had to tweet today because there are obviously people like yourself who cannot read too well - due to the fact I stated both of Nicos mentions from the article.

That's pretty disinguous...you said, and i quote "the only mention" -

mention, singular, not plural.

only, as in unique -

and then a side reference to "how tiring the tour is", completely disembodied from the fact that the specific mention was about how much Nico and Dan talk to each other.

So no, Dr, you stated one of the mentions, and elided any reference to Nico in the other while brief alluding to it, but not mentioning it in reference to Ncio.

I read perfectly well, Dr. You might want to do likewise.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That's pretty disinguous...you said, and i quote "the only mention" -

mention, singular, not plural.

only, as in unique -

and then a side reference to "how tiring the tour is", completely disembodied from the fact that the specific mention was about how much Nico and Dan talk to each other.

So no, Dr, you stated one of the mentions, and elided any reference to Nico in the other while brief alluding to it, but not mentioning it in reference to Ncio.

I read perfectly well, Dr. You might want to do likewise.

Thanks, what does "disinguous" mean?
If you mean disingenuous - then that would be you selecting a small part of a quote that clarifies the remarks by using "and".

 

[JimmyFingers]

Dan Martin is an Englishman, anyway...

#trollolololo

 

[martinvickers]

Dan Martin is an Englishman, anyway...

#trollolololo

Oi, watch it, sailor boy!

 

[MrTea1976]

He'd make an excellent first British-born winner of the TdF. Birmingham would be proud.

 

[martinvickers]

He'd make an excellent first British-born winner of the TdF. Birmingham would be proud.

Actually, a british born rider podiumed the fourth tour in 1906!

Georges Passerieu

 

[biokemguy]

Gross misrepresentation.

Given choice between potential of Martin and Roche jr. JV explains the science that affected his final decision.

If you don't think genetics plays a part...

Genetics plays a part, but to assume MtDNA passed through the mothers line is more important than the contribution of nuclear DNA from Roche Sr. to Roche Jr. shows poor understanding of the science.

MtDNA doesn't regulate mitochondrial density (that's done by nuclear DNA), which is likely an important factor for endurance athletes.

 

[Benotti69]

Genetics plays a part, but to assume MtDNA passed through the mothers line is more important than the contribution of nuclear DNA from Roche Sr. to Roche Jr. shows poor understanding of the science.

MtDNA doesn't regulate mitochondrial density (that's done by nuclear DNA), which is likely an important factor for endurance athletes.

Wouldn't be the first time JV has tried to lead people down a road.....

 

[biokemguy]

Wouldn't be the first time JV has tried to lead people down a road.....

I don't think JV was trying to "lead anyone down a road" I just don't think he understands the science as well as he thinks...

Regardless of his scientific accumen, it looks like he was right.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean" after his LBL win this year.

Well maybe so, but this is a team sport and Hesjedal was the main man setting up the deal for D Martin's big win. This moves the result into the grey zone imo.

Will Martin comment on this?

 

[the sceptic]

Yeah Hesjedal was incredibly strong that day. Then he spent the rest of the year riding in the autobus. Strange indeed.

 

[Netserk]

Yeah Hesjedal was incredibly strong that day. Then he spent the rest of the year riding in the autobus. Strange indeed.

I don't think that's a fair description of Hesjedal's season.

He was strong in the start of the Giro. Then something mysterious happened (at least I don't remember what it was). Then he was more than decent in Suisse until he crashed, yet he still managed to ride the Tour, where he of course couldn't do much. Finally he showed some form in the Canadian races.

 

[martinvickers]

I don't think JV was trying to "lead anyone down a road" I just don't think he understands the science as well as he thinks...

Regardless of his scientific accumen, it looks like he was right.

Personally i thought it was probably as simple as Nico Jr has one parent with 'cycling genes', and Dan has two (his father being a noted cyclist, and his mother sharing Stephen's inheritence)...

 

[IndianCyclist]

I don't think that's a fair description of Hesjedal's season.

He was strong in the start of the Giro. Then something mysterious happened (at least I don't remember what it was). Then he was more than decent in Suisse until he crashed, yet he still managed to ride the Tour, where he of course couldn't do much. Finally he showed some form in the Canadian races.

Like the "Chicken" that he ate didn't agree with him.

 

[Avoriaz]

Personally i thought it was probably as simple as Nico Jr has one parent with 'cycling genes', and Dan has two (his father being a noted cyclist, and his mother sharing Stephen's inheritence)...

Nico's mum, Lydia Arnaud, is from a cycling family too

 

[gooner]

Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean" after his LBL win this year.

Well maybe so, but this is a team sport and Hesjedal was the main man setting up the deal for D Martin's big win. This moves the result into the grey zone imo.

Will Martin comment on this?

No, it doesn't bring the result into a grey area, unless there is something I have missed about Hesjedal's doping in 2013. Hesjedal done a great ride keeping Nibali and co away but nonetheless it can't change the fact Dan was clearly the strongest that day.

Dan isn't responsible for what happenned 10 years ago and doesn't need to answer for that.

If he's a clean rider(fwiw i think he is), then that's good enough for me.

Yeah Hesjedal was incredibly strong that day. Then he spent the rest of the year riding in the autobus. Strange indeed.

Hesjedal looked good early on in the Giro before dropping off. When looking at that it shouldn't be a surprise that he was able to do well in a one day race a few weeks earlier.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

No, it doesn't bring the result into a grey area, unless there is something I have missed about Hesjedal's doping in 2013. Hesjedal done a great ride keeping Nibali and co away but nonetheless it can't change the fact Dan was clearly the strongest that day.

Dan isn't responsible for what happenned 10 years ago and doesn't need to answer for that.

If he's a clean rider(fwiw i think he is), then that's good enough for me.




Hesjedal looked good early on in the Giro before dropping off. When looking at that it shouldn't be a surprise that he was able to do well in a one day race a few weeks earlier.

lol, this will be the new model. Hire a bunch of dopers to try and setup the win for the clean guy. Let me see...

Pellizotti, Scarponi are going where again?

Hejsedal is a proven EPO doper.

 

[gooner]

lol, this will be the new model. Hire a bunch of dopers to try and setup the win for the clean guy. Let me see...

Pellizotti, Scarponi are going where again?

Yeah, Pellizotti and Scarponi will be setting Nibali up for the clean win.

Hejsedal is a proven EPO doper.

And he has to answer for that, not Dan Martin.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Yeah, Pellizotti and Scarponi will be setting Nibali up for the clean win.



And he has to answer for that, not Dan Martin.

Didn't say he has to answer for Hesjedal's doping record, rather I'm questioning Martin's statement that a clean rider can now win.

If a clean rider is helped by a dirty team mate, I personally don't see the point in yelling cleanness. I like to hear Martins view on the matter (while understanding the difficulty of the situation).

 

[Ferminal]

Cycling is an individual sport. Or is Gerrans tainted (not that he's clean but whatever) because Luigi towed him?