Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean"

[Bumeington]

Maybe I'm spending too much time in here, but this seemed very interesting:



(My emphasis.)

Before that, he said:



Now he "knows", before he only "believed".

So... and here's my question, why is he convinced "now"? Why not last May?

Does he have doubts over Hesjedal?

Of course, it may simply be that he was riding the wave of emotion and was havering... and that we shouldn't read too much into it.

I don't know. Should I have my tin foil hat on or off?

I think he's just very sensible. Now he knows because he can only know if he is clean. He can believe in others, without any doubts, but not claim to "know" that they are clean.

 

[42x16ss]

Martin did no more/less work than anyone else who bridged to Hesjedal on Saint Nicolas. Without doubt he was the strongest.

True but he was able to simply sit in on the chase and then time his move. The others HAD to respond to Hesjedal, he's too good to just let go.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Martin should be the first clean winner since:
http://www.letour.fr/2013/LBL/HISTO/us/palmaresdepuis.html

Uhhhhh?

This one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=08b4OWuPxYk#t=1747s

was dope heaven.

Nowadays, the clean peloton can ride 40 minutes faster, dope does not work.

 

[RownhamHill]

This is a bizarre thread. Martin is being castigated for answering questions about doping and promoting clean riding. What is this reverse-omerta? Do we not want riders speaking out to promote clean riding?

It's pretty usual nowadays for any winner of a cycling race to have his achievement questioned. That is the legacy that a generation of doped riders has left. Win a big race and your name will appear in the clinic. As fans we've earned the right to be sceptical. Riders who have won without cheating have earned the right to brag about it.

If it ever turns out that they lied, their hypocrisy only deepens their disgrace, but it should not stop clean winners from promoting clean riding.

The Clinic's approach to investigative justice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jt5ibfRzw

 

[maltiv]

Seriously, are there any guys who possibly could have won LBL who you guys wouldn't think was doped?

We couldn't have any less on Dan Martin. He's had the least suspicious career development one could imagine - obvious talent since he was young, steadily improving every year until he wins a big classic at 26. Nothing suspicious there. Secondly, he has been one of the most vocal riders in the peloton when it comes to doping. Last year for instance he was complaining when there were no tests conducted in Haut Var and Tour of Med.

If you think Dan Martin is doped...well, then you might just say that you think everyone who can win a big classic is doped and be done with it, instead of coming with this bull**** about one of the least suspicious guys in the entire peloton.

 

[Lanark]

I really hope that what he's saying is true. We had Vanmarcke on the podium of Paris-Roubaix, someone who is very outspoken about doping, and Martin winning Liège. If they really are clean, that would mean that at the very least you can win a classic clean.

With regards to GT's I'm a lot more cynical, I find it hard to believe that it's possible to win the Tour clean.

 

[Schwartzchov]

For all the sceptics, get on your bike, work hard. Dedicate yourself and you would be amazed at what you could achieve instead of being cynical about every outstanding cycling performance, which is what this victory from Dan Martin represents. If Dan Martin says he is clean, then you bet your bottom dollar that he is. He is outspoken against drugs. Celebrate this victory for what it is, do not tarnish it with continuous skepticism and innuendo, for it will prove futile.

 

[andy1234]

Seriously, are there any guys who possibly could have won LBL who you guys wouldn't think was doped?

Paul Kimmage, on a tandem, with Greg LeMond.

Other than that, its a simple premise. If you win, you are doping.
Clean riders are identified by the fact that they don't win, but even then you can't be sure.

 

[FGimondi]

Martin did no more/less work than anyone else who bridged to Hesjedal on Saint Nicolas. Without doubt he was the strongest.

Not only that. With Hesjedal Garmin arguably had the two strongest riders in the race.

Liege-Bastogne-Liege also strikes me as the classic where it would be most dificult for a clean rider to upstage a doped one as it has a very demanding rute and is perhaps the most highly contested of them all.

 

[FGimondi]

For all the sceptics, get on your bike, work hard. Dedicate yourself and you would be amazed at what you could achieve instead of being cynical about every outstanding cycling performance, which is what this victory from Dan Martin represents. If Dan Martin says he is clean, then you bet your bottom dollar that he is. He is outspoken against drugs. Celebrate this victory for what it is, do not tarnish it with continuous skepticism and innuendo, for it will prove futile.

Yes!

The answear to 20+ years of doping in pro cycling is, of course, blind faith!

 

[The Hitch]

"“I hope this inspires all the young guys out there to really believe it can be done clean. Obviously with Garmin we’ve had Ryder win the Giro last year and even with Brad (Wiggins) winning the Tour last year that, for me, made me believe that you can win clean.”

“Now I know you can win clean. It’s a great feeling and I’m proud that so many people believe in me. We’re riding clean and that’s something that’s really important to me. It’s always been really important to me and now I’ve won the biggest classic of the year, clean. It’s an incredible feeling.”

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Interesting how Sky is the most hated team in the clinic, and in a lot of people's eyes the most suspect team in the world. But to others it's the evidence of a clean peloton. Oh well.

But the race was good today, and congratulations to Martin, and Hesjedal who did all the hard work !

plenty of brown nosers around in laces day saying the same thing too.

 

[Schwartzchov]

So Dan Martin the first Irish rider (some may argue that he is British) half and half....to win a one day classic without doping. With all due respect, sorry Mr. Kelly.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Who would argue he is British exactly, and more so, why?

 

[The Hitch]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...alk-about-links-to-banned-doctor-ferrari.html

Compare Dan's words today with Kreuziger's

Does wigans talk about gert? Maybe i havent quite mastered the language but "**** of you bone idle ****ers', didn't quite seem like -yeah I'll talk about it.

 

[Schwartzchov]

Possibly due to the fact that he was born in England. English father.

 

[hrotha]

So Dan Martin the first Irish rider (some may argue that he is British) half and half....to win a one day classic without doping. With all due respect, sorry Mr. Kelly.

Let's not get carried away here. I have no reason to suspect Dan Martin specifically, but statements of being clean shouldn't be accepted without reservations.

 

[Schwartzchov]

Who would argue he is British exactly, and more so, why?

Possibly due to the fact that he was born in England. English father.

 

[JimmyFingers]

You might want to wait till Froome actually wins the Tour before trying to use it in evidence against him.

And you know, speaking English isn't a crime. God knows, there were no shortage of doping latins or low country riders before any 'anglos' f***ed things up.

Honestly, sometimes i wonder if some of this anti-anglo stuff isn't just plain racism, short and simple...

Bares repeating

 

[thehog]

So Dan Martin the first Irish rider (some may argue that he is British) half and half....to win a one day classic without doping. With all due respect, sorry Mr. Kelly.

I think you mean he's the first Irish winner to say he's clean.

 

[The Hitch]

Who would argue he is British exactly, and more so, why?

It means he's covered under the racial supremacy theory that sky's propaganda minister Brendan gallackhar and others in the "press" were promoting last year. May ride for Ireland but there's the superior British blood running through his veins. That's why he's better than the other Irish riders. Roches evil European blood made him join Riis.

 

[The Hitch]

You might want to wait till Froome actually wins the Tour before trying to use it in evidence against him.

And you know, speaking English isn't a crime. God knows, there were no shortage of doping latins or low country riders before any 'anglos' f***ed things up.

Honestly, sometimes i wonder if some of this anti-anglo stuff isn't just plain racism, short and simple...

He didnt say Anglos dope. He pointed out that Anglos are the only ones constantly cited as making up this new "clean" era. It's clean cos Wiggins won. It's clean cos Evans won. It's clean cos Ryder won. It's clean cos phinney came 2nd. It's clean cos David Millar said it's clean.

 

[JimmyFingers]

It means he's covered under the racial supremacy theory that sky's propaganda minister Brendan gallackhar and others in the "press" were promoting last year. May ride for Ireland but there's the superior British blood running through his veins. That's why he's better than the other Irish riders. Roches evil European blood made him join Riis.

You do know there are many people in this country that don't think this way, right?

 

[Frosty]

Dan Martin's decision to ride for Ireland seems to stem from GB Cycling's insistence that people who receive funding should ride round and round in circles rather than head for the open road, even if they are more suited to the latter. I believe this stance has since changed.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/348046/blog-a-day-with-dan-martin-and-cc-giro.html

Although born in Britain, Martin declared his allegiance to Ireland because of his frustration with the emphasis on track racing in the British Cycling set-up. He felt he would never make any headway or get to ride the World Championships for Britain.

“If you didn’t ride track they weren’t interested. I understand why it has to be that way but they’re not going to make really top stage race riders that way.

“That system doesn’t suit a rider like me. I remember seeing Swifty [Ben Swift] and Jonny Bellis a few years ago and they were a lot better climbers than they are now because they’ve gone down the track route.”


Strange thing, nationalities in cycling. In that stage of the Vuelta he won a few years ago, there was a group of six away, with two riders representing GB (Froome, Wiggins). However, neither of those was born here while the rider who had been born here (Martin) was representing Ireland.

 

[The Hitch]

You do know there are many people in this country that don't think this way, right?

Foreigners?

 

[martinvickers]

plenty of brown nosers around in laces day saying the same thing too.

ARMSTRONG-GODWIN!! You lose.

Sorry, hitch, just pulling youf leg, but you must know that the repitition of 'but Lance did that' 'it happened in lances day' is just whataboutery. Lance also breathed air, and shat sh! t. Are these basic bodily functions therefore proof of doping?