Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

[MmeDesgrange]

Hope this clears up the British Cycling funding question https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/fundingpartners

British Cycling's funding partners receive lottery money and money from the British Government to invest in grass roots and elite level sport. As far as I know Govt funding comes from the Exchequer by way of taxes - unless all UK tax payers also pay BC subs?

And, Sam Hosking, Nicole CookE doesn't have a newspaper column to sell, what an arrant - and arrogant - piece of nonsense. I'd believe Nicole every time rather than the bunch of shysters at BC/UCI

 

[samhocking]

Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

 

[thehog]

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Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

Who knew that a female earning money after her cycling career finished was to be frowned upon. The sexism not only runs deep in British Cycling but also with his fans. A very worrying sign. That's bots for you though.

 

[MmeDesgrange]

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Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

Who knew that a female earning money after her cycling career finished was to be frowned upon. The sexism not only runs deep in British Cycling but also with his fans. A very worrying sign. That's bots for you though.

Quite an astonishingly sexist comment, and wildly inaccurate. Nicole doesn't have a regular column or blog in the Guardian, they commission her occasionally to write on a subject she's extremely knowledgeable about.

Now let's look at Nicole's comments vs your misrepresentation of the same, and I quote:
"Throughout early 2011 I was attempting to get Cope to run a single training camp for the women riders he was meant to be managing" vs "her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp." In other words, Cooke was trying to get Cope to do the job he was being paid for.

As for 2011, you've obviously never read Project Rainbow or are somehow unaware of the meticulous preparations lavished on Cavendish's assault on the Rainbow Jersey. Here's a little taster of the meticulous planning and, um, extensive training camps that went into that win http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/project-rainbow-jersey-91322

As for Cooke and the British women's team, they got eff all support as Cope gallivanted around Europe brown-nosing Team Sky for a job. I could rant lyrical about the men who get involved with women's cycling as a stepping stone to a 'better' job in the men 's sport, but I won't. Suffice to say that your comment Mr Hosking is spectacularly clueless, and yours Mr Hogg very much on the money.

 

[gillan1969]

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Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

"cleverly decided"

the 'sexist' machinery gets called out and its portrayed by you as clever, as in cunning

nicole you old fox you...

despite your use of the word dude...methinks you wear a blazer

 

[Benotti69]

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Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

public stratagies a la UKPostal. :lol:

 

[thehog]

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Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

public stratagies a la UKPostal. :lol:

It certainly looks that way; the PR drive from Sky is very obvious, as well as in this forum.

 

[yaco]

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Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

public stratagies a la UKPostal. :lol:

It certainly looks that way; the PR drive from Sky is very obvious, as well as in this forum.

What a silly post - This is a discussion forum so people will have different points of view on topics - It's hardly a PR campaign.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

public stratagies a la UKPostal. :lol:

It certainly looks that way; the PR drive from Sky is very obvious, as well as in this forum.

What a silly post - This is a discussion forum so people will have different points of view on topics - It's hardly a PR campaign.

Sorry but attacking Cooke (and other bs in the post) cos she is being paid, is straight out of the Public Strategies (Armstrong PR firm) playbook.

Cooke aint clutching at straws but they'll(UKPostal) do everything to shoot the messengers.

Sky and their lies, a snowball turning into an avalanche. This sport has not changed, the faces have at the top, but the testing is still a joke, the President goes missing at important times, teams telling lies, teams cant get stories straight, cant answer simple questions, people working who are not officially employed (see USPostal motoman), doping doctors hired, alleged illness, alleged allergies. Been here before and it was doping.

 

[yaco]

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Dude she writes a blog/column in the Guardian and gets paid for it. End of the day Sutton worked with Nicole when he was at Welsh Cycling, Cope worked with her at British Cycling. Lets just say 'they all go back a long way'. Nicole needed something to write with a different angle than the cycling press were taking and cleverly decided to combine the sexism issue with Sutton, with the Cope working with Sky without her knowing and concentrated on if her 4th places were because Cope didn't set up an Elite Womens training camp. Even the Elite men don't have a training camp. She's clutching at straws to try and make it out to be a public funding issue she wasn't World Champion because of Cope working for Sky and not her.

public stratagies a la UKPostal. :lol:

It certainly looks that way; the PR drive from Sky is very obvious, as well as in this forum.

What a silly post - This is a discussion forum so people will have different points of view on topics - It's hardly a PR campaign.

Sorry but attacking Cooke (and other bs in the post) cos she is being paid, is straight out of the Public Strategies (Armstrong PR firm) playbook.

Cooke aint clutching at straws but they'll(UKPostal) do everything to shoot the messengers.

Sky and their lies, a snowball turning into an avalanche. This sport has not changed, the faces have at the top, but the testing is still a joke, the President goes missing at important times, teams telling lies, teams cant get stories straight, cant answer simple questions, people working who are not officially employed (see USPostal motoman), doping doctors hired, alleged illness, alleged allergies. Been here before and it was doping.

I haven't noticed any Sky PR people in this thread - Way to go off topic.

 

[Benotti69]

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I haven't noticed any Sky PR people in this thread - Way to go off topic.

Must try harder and since Sky/Brailsford are all about PR, it aint off topic.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

I haven't noticed any Sky PR people in this thread - Way to go off topic.

Must try harder and since Sky/Brailsford are all about PR, it aint off topic.

Samhocking is doing a very good impression of a Skybot-PR person. The other guy Robert521 was on it for Sutton. Cookson should just sue us all and shut down any doping talk for the rest of time, lol! :lol:

 

[yaco]

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I haven't noticed any Sky PR people in this thread - Way to go off topic.

Must try harder and since Sky/Brailsford are all about PR, it aint off topic.

Samhocking is doing a very good impression of a Skybot-PR person. The other guy Robert521 was on it for Sutton. Cookson should just sue us all and shut down any doping talk for the rest of time, lol! :lol:

You are getting worse by the day - Two posters have a different opinion ( and there are others earlier in the thread ) so that means its a Sky PR team.

Whether you like it or not, UKAD has to find proof that Wiggins committed an anti-doping violation - That's what the recent part of the thread is discussing.

I am more interested in people like Michael Beloff a CAS Adjudicator who was on the IAAF Ethics Board when Diack was running rampant - When you gave people who are administering and adjudicating anti-doping who are conflicted its spreads across the system.

 

[thehog]

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I haven't noticed any Sky PR people in this thread - Way to go off topic.

Must try harder and since Sky/Brailsford are all about PR, it aint off topic.

Samhocking is doing a very good impression of a Skybot-PR person. The other guy Robert521 was on it for Sutton. Cookson should just sue us all and shut down any doping talk for the rest of time, lol! :lol:

I am more interested in people like Michael Beloff a CAS Adjudicator who was on the IAAF Ethics Board when Diack was running rampant - When you gave people who are administering and adjudicating anti-doping who are conflicted its spreads across the system.

If you're more interested in Michael Beloff would you not be posting on one of the track & field threads?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

I haven't noticed any Sky PR people in this thread - Way to go off topic.

Must try harder and since Sky/Brailsford are all about PR, it aint off topic.

Samhocking is doing a very good impression of a Skybot-PR person. The other guy Robert521 was on it for Sutton. Cookson should just sue us all and shut down any doping talk for the rest of time, lol! :lol:

You are getting worse by the day - Two posters have a different opinion ( and there are others earlier in the thread ) so that means its a Sky PR team.

Whether you like it or not, UKAD has to find proof that Wiggins committed an anti-doping violation - That's what the recent part of the thread is discussing.

I am more interested in people like Michael Beloff a CAS Adjudicator who was on the IAAF Ethics Board when Diack was running rampant - When you gave people who are administering and adjudicating anti-doping who are conflicted its spreads across the system.

Heck all UKAD have to ask Wiggins is for his doctors reports for his asthma condition that he had before he became a pro.

I mean Skinner published his, i am sure Wiggins Mum wont mind.

Never mind that no one in the UK uses Kenacort for asthma and then three TUEs coincided with GTs or that Zorzoli signed off on them, mate of Leinders, or the dates didn't match........

Please, no one is buying Wiggins/Sky/Brailsfrod are clean.

 

[yaco]

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I haven't noticed any Sky PR people in this thread - Way to go off topic.

Must try harder and since Sky/Brailsford are all about PR, it aint off topic.

Samhocking is doing a very good impression of a Skybot-PR person. The other guy Robert521 was on it for Sutton. Cookson should just sue us all and shut down any doping talk for the rest of time, lol! :lol:

You are getting worse by the day - Two posters have a different opinion ( and there are others earlier in the thread ) so that means its a Sky PR team.

Whether you like it or not, UKAD has to find proof that Wiggins committed an anti-doping violation - That's what the recent part of the thread is discussing.

I am more interested in people like Michael Beloff a CAS Adjudicator who was on the IAAF Ethics Board when Diack was running rampant - When you gave people who are administering and adjudicating anti-doping who are conflicted its spreads across the system.

Heck all UKAD have to ask Wiggins is for his doctors reports for his asthma condition that he had before he became a pro.

I mean Skinner published his, i am sure Wiggins Mum wont mind.

Never mind that no one in the UK uses Kenacort for asthma and then three TUEs coincided with GTs or that Zorzoli signed off on them, mate of Leinders, or the dates didn't match........

Please, no one is buying Wiggins/Sky/Brailsfrod are clean.

Where did I or other's state Wiggins was clean ? What we posted was UKAD needs to produce hard evidence to issue an Anti-Doping violation - This seems to have been forgotten in the point scoring in this thread.

 

[Benotti69]

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Where did I or other's state Wiggins was clean ? What we posted was UKAD needs to produce hard evidence to issue an Anti-Doping violation - This seems to have been forgotten in the point scoring in this thread.

UKAD are not interested in slapping Wiggins/Sky with an anti-doping violation.

Not going to happen.

They are part of the PR to convince the sporting fans that their heroes are good guys and please buy all the merchandise you can.........

Sport is broken. UKAD are not part of the solution.

 

[Ironhead Slim]

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What we posted was UKAD needs to produce hard evidence to issue an Anti-Doping violation - This seems to have been forgotten in the point scoring in this thread.

Dude, they have the evidence in the lack of Fluimucil documentation and in the abused TUE system which has been exposed as no one is denying the Dancing Bear's info. You just can't accept it. UKAD is going to try to mitigate the information but they will just look stupid to thinking people.

(I know it is Fancy Bear :lol: )

 

[yaco]

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What we posted was UKAD needs to produce hard evidence to issue an Anti-Doping violation - This seems to have been forgotten in the point scoring in this thread.

Dude, they have the evidence in the lack of Fluimucil documentation and in the abused TUE system which has been exposed as no one is denying the Dancing Bear's info. You just can't accept it. UKAD is going to try to mitigate the information but they will just look stupid to thinking people.

(I know it is Fancy Bear :lol: )

WE are discussing the injection at the Tour of Dauphine in 2011 - UKAD needs to produce hard evidence - Nothing more or less.

 

[Ironhead Slim]

Re: Re:

What we posted was UKAD needs to produce hard evidence to issue an Anti-Doping violation - This seems to have been forgotten in the point scoring in this thread.

Dude, they have the evidence in the lack of Fluimucil documentation and in the abused TUE system which has been exposed as no one is denying the Dancing Bear's info. You just can't accept it. UKAD is going to try to mitigate the information but they will just look stupid to thinking people.

(I know it is Fancy Bear :lol: )

WE are discussing the injection at the Tour of Dauphine in 2011 - UKAD needs to produce hard evidence - Nothing more or less.

YOU are in complete denial. Sky are the ones that need to provide evidence to back up their story.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

What we posted was UKAD needs to produce hard evidence to issue an Anti-Doping violation - This seems to have been forgotten in the point scoring in this thread.

Dude, they have the evidence in the lack of Fluimucil documentation and in the abused TUE system which has been exposed as no one is denying the Dancing Bear's info. You just can't accept it. UKAD is going to try to mitigate the information but they will just look stupid to thinking people.

(I know it is Fancy Bear :lol: )

WE are discussing the injection at the Tour of Dauphine in 2011 - UKAD needs to produce hard evidence - Nothing more or less.

YOU are in complete denial. Sky are the ones that need to provide evidence to back up their story.

You are naive and fail to understand how Anti-Doping works under the WADA Code - In non-analytical cases its's up to the NADO to prove an athlete is guilty, the athlete doesn't have to prove they are innocent.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

What we posted was UKAD needs to produce hard evidence to issue an Anti-Doping violation - This seems to have been forgotten in the point scoring in this thread.

Dude, they have the evidence in the lack of Fluimucil documentation and in the abused TUE system which has been exposed as no one is denying the Dancing Bear's info. You just can't accept it. UKAD is going to try to mitigate the information but they will just look stupid to thinking people.

(I know it is Fancy Bear :lol: )

WE are discussing the injection at the Tour of Dauphine in 2011 - UKAD needs to produce hard evidence - Nothing more or less.

YOU are in complete denial. Sky are the ones that need to provide evidence to back up their story.

You are naive and fail to understand how Anti-Doping works under the WADA Code - In non-analytical cases its's up to the NADO to prove an athlete is guilty, the athlete doesn't have to prove they are innocent.

yeah but as with lance's 1999 epo...we know he is guilty...he's just non-sanctionable

 

[Ironhead Slim]

Re: Re:

What we posted was UKAD needs to produce hard evidence to issue an Anti-Doping violation - This seems to have been forgotten in the point scoring in this thread.

Dude, they have the evidence in the lack of Fluimucil documentation and in the abused TUE system which has been exposed as no one is denying the Dancing Bear's info. You just can't accept it. UKAD is going to try to mitigate the information but they will just look stupid to thinking people.

(I know it is Fancy Bear :lol: )

WE are discussing the injection at the Tour of Dauphine in 2011 - UKAD needs to produce hard evidence - Nothing more or less.

YOU are in complete denial. Sky are the ones that need to provide evidence to back up their story.

You are naive and fail to understand how Anti-Doping works under the WADA Code - In non-analytical cases its's up to the NADO to prove an athlete is guilty, the athlete doesn't have to prove they are innocent.

I may be naive about the inner workings of British cycling in general and how it covers itself but Brailsford is clearly obfuscating and the reason for that is he was clearly doing something wrong in 2011. He may be a cycling genius but he looks like a small child caught in lies. I promise you Brailsford will be a position to prove he is innocent before this is over.

 

[Ironhead Slim]

The same goes for Sir Wiggins but this thread is about Sir Brailsford.

 

[budegan]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/15035574.Nicole_Cooke_to_assist_MPs_with_doping_inquiry/?ref=twtrec

Sam Hocking my friend, you are not going to want to watch that :lol: :lol: :lol: