Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

[Bernie's eyesore]

You also think the playing field was level under Armstrong's reign?

Any advantages Armstrong gained were ones he earned himself through whatever underhand tactics he used. The fact is that he was better at cheating than anyone else. The same goes for Brailsford, he is not just some clueless chancer who got lucky as most on here want to believe.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Any advantages Armstrong gained were ones he earned himself through whatever underhand tactics he used. The fact is that he was better at cheating than anyone else. The same goes for Brailsford, he is not just some clueless chancer who got lucky as most on here want to believe.

Wiggins, 2009, Tour de France.

The end.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Wiggins, 2009, Tour de France.

The end.

Is that supposed to have any meaning?

 

[sniper]

I think at certain points in time both USPS and Sky have received major preferential treatment from UCI owing not to any form of geniality but to the sheer fact that they were more interesting from a commercial PoV than other teams.
So no level playing field and no geniuses.
(I do see where Bernie's Eyesore and ebandit are coming from though and agree to some extent)

 

[the sceptic]

You also think the playing field was level under Armstrong's reign?

I don't think it was a level playing field when Froome got handed steroids against the rules by the UCI.

Who knows what else is going on behind closed doors.

 

[pastronef]

Wiggins, 2009, Tour de France.

The end.

Sky pulled a Tiernan-Locke and doped Wiggo for the Tour 2009?

just kidding

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Sky pulled a Tiernan-Locke and doped Wiggo for the Tour 2009?

just kidding

It's been well quoted on here that Wiggins was doped up by British cycling in that Tour and he had little involvement with Garmin.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The same goes for Brailsford, he is not just some clueless chancer who got lucky as most on here want to believe.

Wiggins, 2009, Tour de France.

The end.

Brailsford wasn't lucky?

One of his (from BC days) riders decided to amp up the program to get some of that green before he was too old. Said rider got the best help possible and had a miraculous, laughable breakthrough 2009.

Fine tuned that in 2011 and then Brailsford rode Wiggins's coat tails to fame and fortune in 2012.

Froome has contacts through his gf and whoever else is giving him the good oil.

Brailsford has a Brit head of WADA, a Brit head of the UCI and the largest media company in the world as a sponsor. As well as a back office team of staff from 2010-2012 that matched (or even used) USPS backoffice in terms of connections and contacts.

IMO, he has been lucky. Very lucky.

 

[thehog]

lol... what?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-we-want-to-be-the-worlds-best-team

Back on topic.

Brailsford makes zero sense. Do people in Britain actually buy what comes out of his mouth?

Brailsford acknowledged that Sky’s marginal gains have been adopted by other teams and that those teams have caught up with the British outfit. But he insisted, “Our challenge is to stay ahead of the game. We spent some time thinking about what it is that we in the backroom staff actually enjoy as a group. After a lot of discussion, we came back to the idea that we love that process of development and continuous improvement. Winning is the outcome but it is striving for that outcome that really motivates us.”

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Brailsford wasn't lucky?

One of his (from BC days) riders decided to amp up the program to get some of that green before he was too old. Said rider got the best help possible and had a miraculous, laughable breakthrough 2009.

It's been widely reported on here, over and over again, that Wiggins was working with British cycling in his prep for that Tour and had little involvement with garmin.

Fine tuned that in 2011 and then Brailsford rode Wiggins's coat tails to fame and fortune in 2012.

Froome has contacts through his gf and whoever else is giving him the good oil.

Made up. Froome's success was down to his involvement with Leinders, Sky's Tenerife training camps etc (at least that's what you have spent the last few years telling us)

Brailsford has a Brit head of WADA

No he didn't, not when Sky were dominating the sport

a Brit head of the UCI

No he didn't, not when Sky were dominating the sport

and the largest media company in the world as a sponsor.

Fair enough

As well as a back office team of staff from 2010-2012 that matched (or even used) USPS backoffice in terms of connections and contacts.

All chosen and employed by brailsford (or so you and others have been telling us for the last few years).

IMO, he has been lucky. Very lucky.

Maybe he isn't so lucky after all.

 

[the sceptic]

Back on topic.

Brailsford makes zero sense. Do people in Britain actually buy what comes out of his mouth?

Brailsford is hillarious. His arrogance is off the charts.

"The UCI governs this sport, so they need to deliver," said Brailsford, 50.

"Great leaders don't find excuses why they can't do something. Sometimes you've got to get over obstacles and find ways of doing things to get to a new place.

"If you're in charge, you have to have rules and the leadership skills to deliver a credible sport."

Brailsford added Team Sky would "play our role as much as we can".

"If we want to be the best team in a certain sport, you need that sport to be credible," he said.

"We'll do our bit but we want everybody else to do their bit, particularly those who govern the sport.

"I don't think you can go at a lazy pace with these things. You've got to for it."

Please uncle Brian, can you get rid of some of those dirty foreigners so sky can win again?

 

[samhocking]

Yeah, largest, biggest most powerful team in the world, with the biggest budget, the best undetectable most advanced drugs, the most friends and doctors in high places to keep the fabricated story believed and they are still not quite as succesfull as some other teams still using ancient 90s doping practices and no friends lol! Try harder guys!

British Cycling have been winning using the marginal gains/sporting excellence/doping story whatever slant you believe is the reason for their success for over 20 years now. Their story and success has lasted longer than Armstrong's lie already. The truth always comes out, but if it hasn't after 20 years it might just be they are simply not doping. I don't dispute a Sky rider won't get busted while riding for thsm in the next 20 years, but when you can buy EPO in about 10mins in any major town or have it delivered within 24 hours and fail a test the next day is not evidence of anything other than another wannabe Ricco like JTL who got busted with his very first bio passport profile.

 

[thehog]

Brailsford is hillarious. His arrogance is off the charts.



Please uncle Brian, can you get rid of some of those dirty foreigners so sky can win again?

When I read "great leaders" I thought it read "Geert Leinders"

Yes, agreed, I get the impression Brailsford wants to eliminate Nibali just like Lance did on Mayo. The old call the UCI for extra tests on your biggest competitor trick.

History repeating itself...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Maybe he isn't so lucky after all.

Yeah I am not going to reply to lazy quoted trolling attempts.

I feel I explained my reasoning clearly. Pearls before swine and all that.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Yeah I am not going to reply to lazy quoted trolling attempts.

I feel I explained my reasoning clearly. Pearls before swine and all that.

Most of the stuff you said was made up. The stuff about a British head of the UCI and WADA was a deliberate lie in an attempt to mislead people.This is beyond dispute, sorry.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Most of the stuff you said was made up. The stuff about a British head of the UCI and WADA was a deliberate lie in an attempt to mislead people.This is beyond dispute, sorry.

I wrote has for a very specific purpose. You're the underbridge dweller who tried to twist my words. Only a troll would change what someone wrote to something completely different and then say they are lying.


Do you think Brailsford could predict this would be the case when he started?

No.

He is lucky.

Very.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

I wrote has for a very specific purpose. You're the underbridge dweller who tried to twist my words. Only a troll would change what someone wrote to something completely different and then say they are lying.


Do you think Brailsford could predict this would be the case when he started?

No.

He is lucky.

Very.

Come on then. Explain how the appointments of Cookson and Reedie in late 2013 have contributed to Brailsford's major successes (all of which occurred before this date). See if you can answer without calling me a troll.

 

[ebandit]

idiotic

Brailsford had nothing to do with that. He is the David Brent village idiot who they bring out to spout garbage so skybots can sleep better at night.

......for a village idiot he did good.............got the job done

promised a brit tour win then f*ck me delivers 2

.................and yes! those blessed with genius may be prone to

...........arrogance

Mark L

 

[thehog]

......for a village idiot he did good.............got the job done

promised a brit tour win then f*ck me delivers 2

.................and yes! those blessed with genius may be prone to

...........arrogance

Mark L

Think I preferred when your account was hacked you made more sense!

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Brailsford...

He is lucky.

Very.

Well as Napoleon said: Give me lucky generals rather than good generals.

There is Sir Dave's success pre Sky / GB heads of WADA/UCI to be explained, most notably the Beijing haul in 2008. Was this all just luck?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Well as Napoleon said: Give me lucky generals rather than good generals.

There is Sir Dave's success pre Sky / GB heads of WADA/UCI to be explained, most notably the Beijing haul in 2008. Was this all just luck?

The funniest thing about this thread is that the usual suspects who have been blaming Brailsford for all manner of things for the last few years are now claiming that he had nothing to do with any of it.

 

[sniper]

When I read "great leaders" I thought it read "Geert Leinders" ..

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Well as Napoleon said: Give me lucky generals rather than good generals.

There is Sir Dave's success pre Sky / GB heads of WADA/UCI to be explained, most notably the Beijing haul in 2008. Was this all just luck?

No, **** testing.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Well as Napoleon said: Give me lucky generals rather than good generals.

I did not know that, but like it. I would tend to agree.

There is Sir Dave's success pre Sky / GB heads of WADA/UCI to be explained, most notably the Beijing haul in 2008. Was this all just luck?

Nothing happened with Hayles' bust. So I'd say yes, there was an element of luck involved.

And what did Brailsford do exactly? What is it that he brings to the table? Cycling got lottery funding. Was that by Brailsford design or not? I don't think it was, I think it was luck. Happy to be corrected. That allowed him to steal er employ people from other, more successful cycling nations. Sutton a case in point.

Were his riders successful or was he?

Ever heard of the Peter principle?

If you take a very independent Wiggo out of the equation Sky look a lot less successful. I do not think DB played any part in Wiggo's success, any more than Garmin played any part in his 2009 success.

I do not think DB is a genius any more than I think JV is a genius. I think they both made it through luck and doping.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Oh. And the Worlds when Hayles got pinged? He said "the testing is way different at the Olympic games - this would not have been a problem (paraphrasing)".

So yeah, a good OG for BC was down to the way the system is in place more than anything - ie what Mrs Murphy is saying.